Some people don't appreciate what they have

[marcvader]

Niiiiice post C.Lee. Im with ya

 

[TheShah]

That... was beautiful.

And I agree completely.
I totally get the sake of arguing, casting, critiquing all for the total hypothetical awesome-ness of it for the sake of fun and just shooting the ****.

But the harsh and sometimes obsessive complaining over minor details, critiquiing about 'over saturization in the market', etc, all seems a little ridiculous.
You don't see non-comic book fans complaining about too many dramatic films, or cop movies, comedies, etc.

With comic book films, the harsh critisism over staying true to the source material is also a li'l much at times.
As long as the movie works in and of itself, then who cares?
We get to see a character/superhero on screen from the pages of the comic book, and at the end of the day it's a fun movie to watch regardless of how good/bad it is. (yes, even DAREDEVIL)... which is what's it's supposed to be.

 

[Anubis]

That... was beautiful.

And I agree completely.
I totally get the sake of arguing, casting, critiquing all for the total hypothetical awesome-ness of it for the sake of fun and just shooting the ****.

But the harsh and sometimes obsessive complaining over minor details, critiquiing about 'over saturization in the market', etc, all seems a little ridiculous.
You don't see non-comic book fans complaining about too many dramatic films, or cop movies, comedies, etc.

With comic book films, the harsh critisism over staying true to the source material is also a li'l much at times.
As long as the movie works in and of itself, then who cares?
We get to see a character/superhero on screen from the pages of the comic book, and at the end of the day it's a fun movie to watch regardless of how good/bad it is. (yes, even DAREDEVIL)... which is what's it's supposed to be.

Clearly you've never checked out the IMDB forums.

 

[Grommers]

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Although I agree with what you say, imagine if all those movies sucked, and they were just pumping them out for the sake of pumping them out.

You mention the WW movie which wasn't even close to WW.

Now, if you take into consideration all the differences people have in how they view comics. Look at Nolan as a director he doesn't believe his batman fits in with the JL. Yet, I bet someone like Burton could picture it.

And like wise goes for the viewer, such as X-Men, I felt it never grasped what X-men was, yet some others will say its exactly what x-men was.


The main example I can think of and even though it's not a comic book movie would be Majoras' Mask for N64. Great game, however being in the Zelda Universe was a very poor decision. I felt similar to X-men, except I thought it was a mediocre movie and felt it could of easily been other characters.

 

[TheShah]

Clearly you've never checked out the IMDB forums.

Haha... yea you're right.

I guess nothing is ever enough for some people. lol.

 

[Catman]

Fanboys love to complain and nitpick. It doesn't matter if there's 10 superhero movies released in a single year or just one. Take Spider-Man 3 for example. Before that movie, they enjoyed Sam Raimi and the first two installments in the franchise. Afterwards, they hated the man and completely trashed the two films they once liked. And with the reboot on the way, they've trashed them even more. That's why I think that filmmakers should just do whatever they want. Tim Burton had major [censored] when he did his Batman movies. He didn't care. The Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents, The Penguin was a circus freak, Catwoman was supernatural, and Batman was played by comedian Michael Keaton. In 2010, no director would have the guts to pull off something like that in fear that the fanboys will be angry. But if that person asked for Sam Raimi's opinion he would say that it doesn't make a difference. They'll turn on you just as easily as they'll embrace you.

 

[Kelly]

I have to agree with you Catman, IMO....... if they are the ones putting all of this money on the line, then they can do whatever they damn well please.....people can go see the movie, or not go see the movie....that is where our choice comes in.

 

[venom892]

Fanboys love to complain and nitpick. It doesn't matter if there's 10 superhero movies released in a single year or just one. Take Spider-Man 3 for example. Before that movie, they enjoyed Sam Raimi and the first two installments in the franchise. Afterwards, they hated the man and completely trashed the two films they once liked. And with the reboot on the way, they've trashed them even more. That's why I think that filmmakers should just do whatever they want. Tim Burton had major [censored] when he did his Batman movies. He didn't care. The Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents, The Penguin was a circus freak, Catwoman was supernatural, and Batman was played by comedian Michael Keaton. In 2010, no director would have the guts to pull off something like that in fear that the fanboys will be angry. But if that person asked for Sam Raimi's opinion he would say that it doesn't make a difference. They'll turn on you just as easily as they'll embrace you.

See I could never be like that.Even though I didn't like Spider-man 3 I still LOVE the first two.I've also seen a Nolan/Burton debate where people dismiss one or the other.Me I love both.

 

[Iron_Stark]

As I read all around the board....I see constant complaints from many many HYPSTERS about the comic related movies and TV shows being made. Some say it's too many, some say they aren't made right.....I say they have no idea how good they have it.

I was born in 1957....

I started reading comics in '62....

I finally got a live action comic adaptation in 1966 (BATMAN starring Adam West) - 4 years after started reading comics...not bad

The next live adaptation was Lynda Carter as WONDER WOMAN in 1975 (we won't count the 1974 TV movie starring Cathy Lee Crosby since it threw away everything anyone knew about her and even made her a blonde)....13 years after starting reading comics, 7 years since the end of BATMAN.

So....when I turn 18, I have had 3 seasons of Adam West as BATMAN....and the first TV movie of the actual comic book version of WONDER WOMAN TO WATCH....AND....there was no home VCRs to record them to watch again, no DVDs of them to buy to watch them again, no cable or satellite channels that show them in reruns. I watched them ONCE...maybe if lucky they reran some of the BATMAN episodes during thier first run so I got to see some episodes twice. But that was it....basicly one viewing. Oh, and the comic related things made before I was born (George Reeves TV series as SUPERMAN, the SUPERMAN, CAPTAIN MARVEL, BATMAN, BLACKHAWK) movie seriels from the 40's and 50's...they too were not shown on TV nor did we have VHS tapes or DVDs of them to watch...you occasionaly read an article about them in a magazine.

Now, lets look at what someone who would have turned 18 this last June of 2010 would have had the chance to see......

They would have had the chance to watch on tape or DVD or at the theater...
SUPERMAN - movie serial starring Kirk Alyn
ATOM MAN VS SUPERMAN - movie serial starring Kirk Alyn
THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN - 6 season TV series starring George Reeves
SUPERMAN THE MOVIE - movie starring Christopher Reeve
SUPERMAN II - movie starring Christopher Reeve
SUPERMAN III - movie starring Christopher Reeve
SUPERMAN IV - movie starring Christopher Reeve
LOIS AND CLARK;THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN - 4 season TV series starring Dean Caine
SUPERBOY - 4 season TV series starring Gerard Christopher and John Haymes Newton
SUPERGIRL - movie starring Helen Shaver
SMALLVILLE - 9 season (so far) TV series starring Tom Welling
SUPERMAN RETURNS - movie starring Brandon Routh
BATMAN - movie serial starring Lewis Wilson
BATMAN AND ROBIN - movie serial starring Robert Lowery
BATMAN - 3 season TV series starring Adam West
BATMAN- movie starring Michael Keaton
BATMAN RETURNS - movie starring Michael Keaton
BATMAN FOREVER - movie starring Val Kilmer
BATMAN AND ROBIN - movie starring George Clooney
BATMAN BEGINS - movie starring Christian Bale
THE DARK KNIGHT - movie starring Christian Bale
BIRDS OF PREY - 1 season TV series starring Dina Meyer
THE FLASH - 1 season TV series starring John Wesley Shipp
SWAMP THING - movie starring Dick Durock
RETURN OF THE SWAMP THING - movie starring Dick Durock
THE PHANTOM - movie serial starring Tom Tyler
THE PHANTOM - movie starring Billy Zane
THE ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN MARVEL - movie serial starring Tom Tyler
BLACKHAWK - movie serial starring Kirk Alyn
SPYSMASHER - movie serial starring Kane Richmond
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN - 2 season (but only 14 episodes) TV series starring Nicholas Hammond
SPIDER-MAN - movie starring Tobey Maguire
SPIDER-MAN 2 - movie starring Tobey maguire
SPIDER-MAN 3 - movie starring Tobey Maguire
BLADE - movie starring Wesley Snipes
BLADE 2 - movie starring Wesley Snipes
BLADE 3 - movie starring Wesley Snipes
BLADE THE SERIES - 1 season Tv series starring Sticky Fingaz
CAPTAIN AMERICA - the movie serial starring Dick Purcel
CAPTAIN AMERICA - TV movie starring Reb Brown
CAPTAIN AMERICA II - Tv movie starring Reb Brown
CAPTAIN AMERICA - movie starring Matt Salinger
DOCTOR STRANGE - TV movie starring Peter Hooten
THE FANTASIC FOUR - movie starring Jessica Alba
FANTASTIC FOUR RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER - movie starring Jessica Alba
DAREDEVIL - movie starring Ben Afleck
ELEKTRA - movie starring Jennifer Garner
THE INCREDIBLE HULK - 5 seasons and several TV movies series starring Bill Bixby
HULK - movie starring Eric Bana
THE INCREDIBLE HULK - movie starring Edward Norton
HOWARD THE DUCK - movie starring Lea Thompson
THE PUNISHER - movie starring Dolph Lundgren
THE PUNISHER - movie starring Thomas jane
PUNISHER; WAR ZONE - movie starring Ray Stevenson
NICK FURY: AGENT OF SHIELD - TV movie starring David Hasselhoff
IRON MAN - movie starring Robert Downey Jr
IRON MAN 2 - movie starring Robert Downey Jr
XMEN - movie starring Hugh Jackman
XMEN 2 - movie starring Hugh Jackman
XMEN 3 - movie starring Hugh Jackman
WOLVERINE - movie starring Hugh Jackman
THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMAN - movie starring Sean Connery
THE SPIRIT - TV movie starring Sam Jones
THE SPIRIT - movie starring - Gabriel Macht
HELLBOY - movie starring Ron Perlman
HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY - movie starring Ron Perlman




I was a comic fan who got basicly nothing during my childhood...most of you guys have gotten an amazing amount of things...and yet you are the ones who constantly complain. The old sayings are true...you don't know how good you have it until it is taken away...and....if you give them everything they want, they will not appreciate it.

Rant over...

That. Was. Beautiful.

Like I posted in another thread

you are spot on in saying they don't appreciate what they have, how it was hell the decades (2 for me 80s and 90s) where the only Marvel movies we had were bad dtv movies and only one decent tv show(Hulk) that if lucky we could only see on re-runs oh and Howard the Duck.

And any time there was a superhero movie it was either Superman or Batman or one of their respective spinoffs.

I remember always wondering whether there would ever be an Iron Man movie movie made and if some one would take a chance on him. And always my friends would say "keep dreaming, IM will never get made Spider-Man, Hulk, the X-Men, Cap and Thor will get made before him" (which was mostly true)

And I got older and more movies were being made (by DC/WB) my brother was constantly telling me, if Iron Man does get made, he'll end up looking like Steel.

And now that IM has two movies out, people want to start moaning that the second one made a "paltry" 312 million domestically and other dumb crap.

gtfo.

 

[Deaths Head II]

That was a great post, C. Lee. I grew up in the 90s, but even then it still felt like a big deal for me to see a super hero film. I always would hope to see a trailer for some unexpected super hero film whenever I watched tv or went to a movie, and I'm really happy now that childish hope I always had is a lot more likely to be fulfilled. There are a lot of bad or mediocre films, but I'm still really happy to be living in a time where every summer now I can go and see at least one major super hero film if not 3 or 4.

 

[danoyse]

I'd like to add that my dad (born in 1950) thinks the same way as you, C. Lee. Every time we see a superhero movie together, he marvels at how of them there are now...he was a big Batman/Superman fan as a kid, and he said they just didn't have movies like this back then. He loves it.

 

[Hotwire]

I said it once, I'll say it again, "C. Lee, you're my hero!"

 

[Catman]

I grew up in the 90s, but even then it still felt like a big deal for me to see a super hero film.

The `90s is a good reminder of how it takes a few flops to loose everything. When Batman was released in 1989, studios decided to jump on the bandwagon. In 1990 we got Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Dick Tracy, and the comic book inspired Darkman. TMNT, thanks to the success of the cartoon, was the sleeper hit of the year. Dick Tracy, underperformed but still made good money nonetheless and did quite well at the Oscars. Darkman was a cult hit. But, sadly, since none of them were the megahit that Batman was, the studios quickly lost interest and we only got one or two comic based movies from then till 2003.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Eh I appreciate that we youngins got plenty of comicbook movies but I will never appreciate bad movies, comicbook or not.

We have gotten decent, good and great comicbook films but I think that the comicbook superhero movie is running itself dry. Too many of them are being made and too many of them aren't good and alot of them do have a sameness about them that other genre's don't suffer from. Fanboys do nitpick but I don't think that negates the fact that alot of comicbook films (just like other films) suffer from alot of flaws that shouldn't be overlooked because the "character finally made it to the big screen."

I appreciate good movies more than anything. I have never given a movie a pass or unfairly blasted it just because it was a comicbook movie.

 

[jmc]

There's a difference between *****ing about some minute costume detail and bringing up genuine faults with the films, story, directing, acting , etc. I can appreciate that we're getting all these characters on screen, doesn't mean I should role over, accept what's presented to me and call it ice cream. If a film has issues I will say it and won't apologize for it, if some people want to bury their heads in the sand and overlook things simply because it's their favourite character or brand, fine you do that, but don't come out and call me a hater simply because I dare to point at what's glaringly wrong with the film. In the end I judge the films on what is presented to me, I could give two hoots about which company it came from, who stars in it, what character it's based on or whether it exactly like the source material, I'm in agreement with Spidey on this one, I want good films first and foremost.

 

[roach]

everything in film moves in cycles...sometime in the future they are gonna know what its like not have a summer dominated by superheroes

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I was a comic fan who got basicly nothing during my childhood...most of you guys have gotten an amazing amount of things...and yet you are the ones who constantly complain. The old sayings are true...you don't know how good you have it until it is taken away...and....if you give them everything they want, they will not appreciate it.

Rant over...

Well said.

However...this appears to be a human failing that nothing can be done about.

Just look at modern life in general. Look how many people really believe "things are getting worse all the time". I've been hearing that my whole life. ...This after we have doubled our lifespans in the last 100 years. The list of improvements to our lives continues after that one...but it's hard to beat that big one. 2nd place might be that for the first time in human history, we have the "problem" of having too much to eat. (it's no wonder so many become overweight....the human brain is no doubt still wired to devour any food we can get our hands on)

A serious look back at how our ancestors lived would do most of us a lot of good. A time machine perhaps. Anyone that, after a week in the past, wasn't scrambling to jump back in that time machine set for the present would have me doubting their sanity.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Anyway to the topic at hand. I can only speak for myself and say complaining about a movie is not me taking the genre for granted just hoping for it's progression. Example, for every catwoman and elektra the studios become more weary of female leads. The stories were just not what they could have been, so future films with female leads were probably passed on. Anyway complaining about minutiae is just harmless fun, I wouldn't read to much into it.

I think Kick Ass may have helped that cause. The sequel is undoubtedly going to be about Hit Girl.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I think Kick Ass may have helped that cause. The sequel is undoubtedly going to be about Hit Girl.

Hit Girl was the real hero of Kick Ass anyway. It was all Hit Girl's story. She had the hero backstory, the hero motivation, and the actual hero skills while Kick Ass was just a kid running around in his pajamas getting knocked around by everyone. He was more the lens the real story was told through. I'm guessing Kick Ass 2 is going to be more of the same.

 

[Brother Jack]

There's a difference between *****ing about some minute costume detail and bringing up genuine faults with the films, story, directing, acting , etc. I can appreciate that we're getting all these characters on screen, doesn't mean I should role over, accept what's presented to me and call it ice cream. If a film has issues I will say it and won't apologize for it, if some people want to bury their heads in the sand and overlook things simply because it's their favourite character or brand, fine you do that, but don't come out and call me a hater simply because I dare to point at what's glaringly wrong with the film. In the end I judge the films on what is presented to me, I could give two hoots about which company it came from, who stars in it, what character it's based on or whether it exactly like the source material, I'm in agreement with Spidey on this one, I want good films first and foremost.

I have to agree with this.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

There's a difference between *****ing about some minute costume detail and bringing up genuine faults with the films, story, directing, acting , etc. I can appreciate that we're getting all these characters on screen, doesn't mean I should role over, accept what's presented to me and call it ice cream. If a film has issues I will say it and won't apologize for it, if some people want to bury their heads in the sand and overlook things simply because it's their favourite character or brand, fine you do that, but don't come out and call me a hater simply because I dare to point at what's glaringly wrong with the film. In the end I judge the films on what is presented to me, I could give two hoots about which company it came from, who stars in it, what character it's based on or whether it exactly like the source material, I'm in agreement with Spidey on this one, I want good films first and foremost.

Agreed.

Quality over quantity.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I am not quite as seasoned as Mr Lee, but I don't have to be; back in 1998/99, when I started visiting the original Spider-Man Hype! (as it was then), no-one would have imagined that one day we would be getting a Spider-Man movie, a Batman movie, an Avengers movie and a Superman movie ALL IN THE SAME YEAR. We could barely believe Spider-Man was finally getting made.

You only need to go back to the 90's to realise how much things have changed. Superheroes are the number one blockbuster genre in Hollywood today. In the 90's, all you had were Batman movies, and the wannabe Batman movies like Spawn and the Phantom. There was always the promised wave of Marvel movies, but they never seemed to materialise; an Iron Man movie was talked about with Tom Cruise or Nicolas Cage, a Daredevil movie, James Cameron making an X-Men movie, a Hulk movie for 1998 (prosthetics were built), Cruise as Captain America (he was sent a script)....none of it ever happened.


Then the trickle slowly started; Blade, which is only kind of a superhero movie, then X-Men; then Bam! Spider-Man, Daredevil, Hulk, the Fantastic Four, Batman, Superman, Iron Man...

It will dry up. Audiences will get sick of superheroes eventually. But we will always have this wealth of movies from the Golden Years.

 

[SPIDERFIST]

C. Lee:

Wow.........just.........Wow.

I enjoy debate and perspectives I've never considered in these forums. But, good grief, some of these folks lose their ever-loving minds if you present something contrary to their point of view. It's like it's not just about their opinion anymore. They believe they know best and will brook no argument. Some of the points they trifle over are just stupid.

Do I always think the studios do a superb job? No. Am I grateful these types of movies are finally being made? Oh yeah! I started watching the Batman and Green Hornet TV shows of the 60's when I was 2-3 years old. Through the years I dreamed of the day they would start making superhero movies of this caliber. I love a few of them, like a lot of them, and could live without a couple of them. What we're getting now is literally better than nothing and I'll go to the theater and support them. That includes the duds so that they'll continue making the bombs.

Nuff said.

 

[terry78]

Points well taken, old man. There are plenty of old movies that were adaptations of popular fictional heroes that were horrible beyond belief, yet nowadays we consider them classics.

 

[Visceral]

NOPE I disagree, a good post C.Lee and there has definitely been some **** on these boards that has been hard to watch but I don't think that it is born out of some spoiled narcissism.

Rather I feel the complaining has been far, far more political in nature. And my interest spurs the question of why?



I grew up as a Superman fan, well a fan of everything but I have always felt a special connection to superman and batman.

Anyway, in 2006 I chose to follow superman returns far more closely than X3. Not that I wasn't a fan of X-men but I was worried that if I didn't support Superman then the film would fail and the executives wouldn't make another film about a DC character.

I like many people on this board love their favorite characters very much, so when people who liked X-men better than Superman would complain about every little thing on the Superman production it hurt. No one likes to see what they love desecrated.

In many ways we are very married to the characters that we love. We feel they reflect upon us, say who we are, as a wife would. So when it comes for our characters time to shine, we all want our characters to shine greater than everyone else's. This doesn't just happen in the film world but in comic fandom when people complain Marvel v. DC.

I would be lying if I didn't reciprocate the attacks on superman by attacking X3's production, and I like X-men. Its sad. But i left the boards for a long time after that in 2006. Couldn't take the ********.

These boards should be relaxing and fun. We should all support each others films to continue the great slew of fun we have been getting this last decade. When I came back I said that I will never allow myself to be upset for something so trivial in life. I enjoy almost every superhero film I go see, I even enjoyed Elektra. But it seems to me that people get so caught up in trying to make their favorite superhero look so great so that others will understand their immense favoritism over the character, that they don't just relax and have fun.

Green Lantern might fail, Avengers might fail. I'm okay with that, I hope they don't.

I would love to see a flash, wonder woman, or justice league movie, would love it. But we might not get that. But I'm tired of stressing over things in life that really don't matter and are really very uncertain.

There were parts in X3 that were badass. Superman Returns was not the greatest film. The dark Knight is one of the best films I have ever seen but not every film needs to be like that in order for me to enjoy it. I would rather have a bad film than no film at all.

I just wish we could all see how much of our lives we are wasting on trivialities.

I'm back and here comes another summer