The Dark Knight Some Possible Joker Info.

[Miranda Fox]

Okay, let's try this again.

So, to recap:

I found this blog entry: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-iz7uxVM1cfLyKUS67PI-?cq=1&p=3235

to quote the relevent passage:

He hung out with Ledger who said that The Joker character in this movie starts out as a unhinged, green-haired nutjob who wears a malleable clown mask when he does all his crime jobs. He said that he found out that as the movie progresses something happens to him in a Batman encounter that permanently fixates his face in the clownish appearance.

I took this to mean the clown mask somehow got burned to his face (d'oh!) and expressed my utter loathing for the idea.

However, as is explained later on in the thread, Anjow was able to have this particular idea debunked (let us all breathe a huge sigh of relief!) but, apparently, there is an origin for the Joker contained in the film.

He IS the Joker all the way through. This is a fact.

And off we go

He was on his way to a dinner-buisness meeting (it's 6:45 in LA remember)
but I asked him about the Joker mask-burning thing. He told me he had read the script once and couldn't site specifics other than Joker's mask doesn't get burned to his face. He did say however that Bats is in-advertantly involved with "pissing the Joker off something awful with some physical dysfigurement" but right when I asked what it was he cut me off and said he had to go. I told him to call me later and he said ok.

That's what we have for now.

Don't eat those words just yet.

God, it's hard to word this differantly than my friend did way back when he first told me about some stuff. I was upset about the whole "non-purple, may not look like the joker rumor" and was grilling him to that effect. He said that the J-man "looks" like the J-man the whole movie. It's his character that isn't complete. Like Batman drives his character to act more chaotic than he has. Think those Nike commercials with Michael Jordan and Mia Hamm. "Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you"

Etc etc

"Plays into the escalation theory?" i said.
to which he whistled innocently. So i took that as me being a master detective.

So, much clearer now, I hope.

 

[fabman]

I don't think it's true... it's just the same ol' **** we've been posting here and he must have read it and thought that he might become a 'scooper.' I doubt Heath Ledger or any cast member would just talk about it to extras and stand-ins when there's so much secrecy.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I don't think it's true... it's just the same ol' **** we've been posting here and he must have read it and thought that he might become a 'scooper.' I doubt Heath Ledger or any cast member would just talk about it to extras and stand-ins when there's so much secrecy.

I agree and it really doesn't jive with some stuff I know concerning the Joker's look.

 

[Dark Knight]

I've just spent the last few minutes debating about posting this because, for starters, I really don't think it's true. Well, I think the guy is telling the truth about what Heath's stand-in is supposed to have said, but I believe his info is based on assumptions.

Besides which, Heath's stand-in didn't look young nor blond to me (perhaps Syren can shed some light on that?) but anyway:

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-iz7uxVM1cfLyKUS67PI-?cq=1&p=3235

As I have said numerous times - that idea does not work for me. However, the sides pretty much disprove it so methinks Heath's supposed stand-in is either spinning Duck Tails or making assumptions. I also really don't buy the idea Heath just went and blabbed this to him.

Having said that, we have nothing else worth talking about and there's always the chance it's actually true.

Lemme hear you all say it with me - THIS IDEA SUCKS! t:

I haven't read most of the sides. What do the sides say regarding his physical transformation into Joker?

 

[Miranda Fox]

I haven't read most of the sides. What do the sides say regarding his physical transformation into Joker?

He's already the Joker during the bank robbery - he takes off his mask to William Fitchner's Bank Manager and what he sees horrifies him.

Since he was also definitely wearing makeup in the spyshot, I really don't see how this is true.

However, one should never jump to conclusions and in the end...I sadly can't put it past the Nolans to do something like this.

Anyone in the know confirm/deny this info? Pretty please.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

Yeah this rumor sounds like it was built solely around the few pics we've gotten so far.

 

[dark_b]

this would be to idiotic for nolan IMO. ok raimi would do it but i dont think nolan would.
a guy has green hair and a clown mask and then becomes the joker?

i dont think so.

 

[Miranda Fox]

this would be to idiotic for nolan IMO. ok raimi would do it but i dont think nolan would.
a guy has green hair and a clown mask and then becomes the joker?

i dont think so.

Well, at one time, people didn't believe Raimi would make Flint Marko Uncle Ben's killer and...well, we all know how that turned out.

 

[fabman]

Well, it's way different. And what's it all with that f'ing Sam Raimi hating these days? Well, let's not OT...

 

[Dark Knight]

He's already the Joker during the bank robbery - he takes off his mask to William Fitchner's Bank Manager and what he sees horrifies him.

Since he was also definitely wearing makeup in the spyshot, I really don't see how this is true.

However, one should never jump to conclusions and in the end...I sadly can't put it past the Nolans to do something like this.

Anyone in the know confirm/deny this info? Pretty please.

Well if what that guy said turns out to be true.....then it would be an adaptation in a way of him being Red Hood before he turns physically into Joker.

 

[Kleric]

Seems almost too convenient. Like a story cooked up off of fans assumptions and fears. Like a news version of a scared manip

 

[Rynan]

I'm calling crap on this one.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Well, it's way different. And what's it all with that f'ing Sam Raimi hating these days? Well, let's not OT...

I should clarify - I don't hate Raimi. Not one bit. But I do remember people saying he would never, ever make Sandman Ben's killer. As far as I know (I haven't seen Spidey 3 yet ) he did.

Well if what that guy said turns out to be true.....then it would be an adaptation in a way of him being Red Hood before he turns physically into Joker.

I see what you're saying...but it's lame. The guy HAPPENS to have green hair (WHY!?) and HAPPENS to leave Joker playing cards at his crime scenes and he just so happens to wear a clown mask...it's to damn convenient, not to mention lazy writing IMO.

Also, I'm confused as to when this origin scene could happen. There is a lot going on in the film that we do know about (well, admittedly somewhat vaguely, but still) and I just can't see where it would fit in.

However, if you want to look at it from a different perspective - it does explain why Heath's skin was never whitened during the bank robbery shooting.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Well if what that guy said turns out to be true.....then it would be an adaptation in a way of him being Red Hood before he turns physically into Joker.

I somewhat agree.

And it might be a pretty memorable scene if he falls into the acid after an encounter with the BATMAN and pulls of his clown mask and reveals his permanent clown face.

 

[SpinyNorman]

However, if you want to look at it from a different perspective - it does explain why Heath's skin was never whitened during the bank robbery shooting.

This is also debatable. We already saw Heath walkin' around pretty Joker-fied, and those pics made a huge ruckus. After that, well, we never saw anything of him in makeup. More than likely it was because of us, and Nolan was probably mighty pissed just to let that little bit slip.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I've edited the post to include the fact that we've been told - repeatedly - by people in the know that the Joker isn't wearing a mask.

I think we can safely say this ain't true. That's what I get for pushing the panic button when I saw this info. Either way - that stupid kid wants a smack upside the head for lying.

 

[Miranda Fox]

This is also debatable. We already saw Heath walkin' around pretty Joker-fied, and those pics made a huge ruckus. After that, well, we never saw anything of him in makeup. More than likely it was because of us, and Nolan was probably mighty pissed just to let that little bit slip.

I think you're probably right there.

 

[SpinyNorman]

I've edited the post to include the fact that we've been told - repeatedly - by people in the know that the Joker isn't wearing a mask.

Well, I didn't know that - still a relief, though.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Well, I didn't know that - still a relief, though.

In my blind panic, I totally forgot about it TBH. That's how much I truly hate that idea.

 

[Saint]

I'm not sure why there's so much opposition to this idea--he just wears a mask before he becomes the Joker. What's the big deal?

 

[DV8]

I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but this could work actually . . . I trust that Nolan could pull off the irony of such a coincidence, and I'm sure he would add another psychological tier to the notion . . . I mean, it's not much different from the way Batman turned into Batman; he embraced a fear that had layed underneath the surface for so long, that needed to inevitably embody itself . . . this would be the same kind of idea w/ Joker, only instead of the 'fear', it would be something that he chose to embrace in the first place, and evolved into something horrible . . .

 

[Dark Knight]

I somewhat agree.

And it might be a pretty memorable scene if he falls into the acid after an encounter with the BATMAN and pulls of his clown mask and reveals his permanent clown face.

Exactly....

 

[Seen]

I'm not sure why there's so much opposition to this idea--he just wears a mask before he becomes the Joker. What's the big deal?

That's my hunch, actually, but many seem harshly adverse to the idea, to my confusion.

 

[Batty Belfry]

Miranda, don't forget this photo by pictaker, which was taken during the bankheist filming sequence....At any rate, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[Retroman]

The majority are calling this BS but i think it's plausible at the very least and i'm not entirely against the idea.William Fichtner recently said that the bank scene is the opening of the film and Gordon says at the end of BB"Take this guy... armed robbery, double homicide... has a taste for theatrics, like you... he leaves a calling card."

Maybe TDK starts with a flashback of that armed robbery?