The Dark Knight Some Possible Joker Info.

[fabman]

But in the sides he's already the Joker... we'll see!

 

[Batty Belfry]

The majority are calling this BS but i think it's plausible at the very least and i'm not entirely against the idea.William Fichtner recently said that the bank scene is the opening of the film and Gordon says at the end of BB"Take this guy... armed robbery, double homicide... has a taste for theatrics, like you... he leaves a calling card."

Maybe TDK starts with a flashback of that armed robbery?

I'd tend to agree with that as well, but then...? I don't know, still in limbo as far as solid information. I'm still completely unsure, but I agree with you.

 

[Batty Belfry]

I just the whole blog. The person could be either telling the truth, fibbing, or just plain mistaken.....

"as the movie progresses something happens to him in a Batman encounter that permanently fixates his face in the clownish appearance. "

I suppose it's possible to do it in a dignified fashion, and I am working presently on my own theory on how that could happen, yet my own theory seems very close to Black Mask's origin....

 

[Miranda Fox]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Well, it's on BOF, so lets see what comes of that.

 

[Milkman95]

I'm not sure why there's so much opposition to this idea--he just wears a mask before he becomes the Joker. What's the big deal?

Exactly - I think some are reading this incorrectly. It states he wears a mask BEFORE he becomes the Joker, that's all. Heath is saying the guy is already a nutball and during a robbery, The Batman comes in and causes this character to actually BECOME the Joker - he gets dropped in acid, and because he's already wearing a white clown mask, it gets fused to his face in a more Nolan, realistic fashion. Nolan is actually coming up with an explanation for his face turning white and having a more permanent grin - it's because his "robbery mask" got fused to his face, which was caused by Batman.

The Joker DOES NOT wear a mask, the person before him does.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Exactly - I think some are reading this incorrectly. It states he wears a mask BEFORE he becomes the Joker, that's all. Heath is saying the guy is already a nutball and during a robbery, The Batman comes in and causes this character to actually BECOME the Joker - he gets dropped in acid, and because he's already wearing a white clown mask, it gets fused to his face in a more Nolan, realistic fashion. Nolan is actually coming up with an explanation for his face turning white and having a more permanent grin - it's because his "robbery mask" got fused to his face, which was caused by Batman.

The Joker DOES NOT wear a mask, the person before him does.

That's not what I have an issue with - I have an issue with the fact that he's apparently acting like the Joker *before* he even becomes the Joker. I'm sorry, that's a coincidence too damn far.

And why in the fresh hell is he already dying his hair green?

 

[Dirt Like Me]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Well, it's on BOF, so lets see what comes of that.

Let's hope one of Jett's sources shoots this thing down quickly.

I'd be disappointed if this turned out to be the truth. I doubt that it is, though, thanks to the mighty pictaker.

 

[Milkman95]

That's not what I have an issue with - I have an issue with the fact that he's apparently acting like the Joker *before* he even becomes the Joker. I'm sorry, that's a coincidence too damn far.

And why in the fresh hell is he already dying his hair green?

Well, I didn't take it as though his character was acting like the Joker BEFORE he actually becomes the Joker - I took as this guy was already flying off the handle, having a "Joker fetish" (Just like Napier did) and this transformation makes him become the ridiculous psychotic we know - which in turn was caused by Batman.

I like the fact that Nolan is having an explanation why his face turned white, has a permanent grin, and has red lips - his clown mask got fused to his face through an accident caused by Batman.

I guess just falling into a vat of acid wasn't a good enough explanation for Nolan, so he did another Batman Begins......

 

[Miranda Fox]

Let's hope one of Jett's sources shoots this thing down quickly.

I'd be disappointed if this turned out to be the truth. I doubt that it is, though, thanks to the mighty pictaker.

Indeed.

I'm surprised Jett didn't know for sure, though. He's made some comments about TDK's quality that indicated he knew a bit about the script. :/

 

[regwec]

I think this is untrue- there seems to be a pattern that some of the weaker ideas that circulate on message boards are eventually stated as fact by an "annonymous source", before being entirely refuted by Warner Bros. I mean, how many times have we been told that The Joker will have a scarred mouth or look like a Lee Bermejo drawing, and how many times have we been told otherwise by more reputable sources?

 

[Retroman]

But in the sides he's already the Joker... we'll see!

Well the stuff from the sides (some of it) could very well different from what we actually see in the final product but as you say; we'll see!

I'd tend to agree with that as well, but then...? I don't know, still in limbo as far as solid information. I'm still completely unsure, but I agree with you.

Yeah...it's still unconfirmed but its one of the better rumors i've heard. Certainly better than the cut smile.

That's not what I have an issue with - I have an issue with the fact that he's apparently acting like the Joker *before* he even becomes the Joker. I'm sorry, that's a coincidence too damn far.

But isn't he a little like that in The Killing Joke? He's a comedian before he becomes a criminal and the the accident if i remember correctly.

 

[Victarion]

And why in the fresh hell is he already dying his hair green?

Maybe he was into the "punk" fad.

 

[dark_b]

That's not what I have an issue with - I have an issue with the fact that he's apparently acting like the Joker *before* he even becomes the Joker. I'm sorry, that's a coincidence too damn far.

And why in the fresh hell is he already dying his hair green?

i guess he liked the image of jokers and clowns so thats why he has green hair.

i dont like the idea now. but if it works in the movie ok.

 

[Leon the Professional]

This sounds lame

 

[Miranda Fox]

But isn't he a little like that in The Killing Joke? He's a comedian before he becomes a criminal and the the accident if i remember correctly.

Okay, that is a fair point, Retro.

I think this is untrue- there seems to be a pattern that some of the weaker ideas that circulate on message boards are eventually stated as fact by an "annonymous source", before being entirely refuted by Warner Bros. I mean, how many times have we been told that The Joker will have a scarred mouth or look like a Lee Bermejo drawing, and how many times have we been told otherwise by more reputable sources?

Exactly. I'm sceptical until this is proven otherwise.

 

[Batty Belfry]

Indeed.

I'm surprised Jett didn't know for sure, though. He's made some comments about TDK's quality that indicated he knew a bit about the script. :/

Miranda, were the comments about quality positive or negative?

I was thinking along the same lines as Milkman95. It could work without being cheesy, but IMO not the optimal choice.

 

[Agentsands77]

Sounds like a dumb idea to me.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Miranda, were the comments about quality positive or negative?

I was thinking along the same lines as Milkman95. It could work without being cheesy, but IMO not the optimal choice.

*very* positive.

 

[Batty Belfry]

*very* positive.

Thanks!

BTW the more I think about it, the more I don't like the idea, because then how is it different than B89? It really wouldn't be all that different at all...

IMHO best not to have an origin me thinks.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

Well, it's way different. And what's it all with that f'ing Sam Raimi hating these days? Well, let's not OT...

If Nolan has the joker be a dude that just puts on a clowny power ranger helmet when being bad he will get the same treatment as Raimi. Hated on.

 

[Milkman95]

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather not have this origin, but I believe it could work - especially with how his clown mask could be used as an explanation of why he looks the way he does - not just a vat of acid.

I like the whole gangsters killing him idea with them disposing of the body in chemicals thinking he'd disappear also...

 

[Miranda Fox]

Thanks!

BTW the more I think about it, the more I don't like the idea, because then how is it different than B89? It really wouldn't be all that different at all...

IMHO best not to have an origin me thinks.

Agreed. It *could* somehow work out well but I don't quite see it, personally.

Awhile back I recieved an anonymous comment on my LJ when I posted about Pictaker's set-shot who said that this was the guy who would 'become' the Joker. Now, I dismissed that because, well, I don't give much credibility to people who don't sign a name but now I'm beginning to wonder...:/

 

[Milkman95]

If Nolan has the joker be a dude that just puts on a clowny power ranger helmet when being bad he will get the same treatment as Raimi. Hated on.

Have you read any of this thread?

That's clearly not the case or what this so-called scooper said.......

 

[regwec]

brefogle_rules is using something we like to call "satire".

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I think your level of acceptance of this idea depends on your personal idea of who/what the Joker was before he became the Joker.

Some people (including myself) prefer him not being a career criminal at all before his transformation. So naturally, we'd be against this idea from the get-go, much like the Jack Napier origin.

Others prefer him to be a criminal, so this is basically taking that and adding an ironic/thematic twist to it (like Burton did by giving Jack a "lucky deck"...only 100% less subtle).

I just personally find the idea of Joker having a predisposition to crime, particularly clown-themed crime, to lessen the impact of his transformation.

Plus, it's hokey. I get the irony, but it's "smash you over the head" irony. I've said it before; might as well name him Joe Kerr.