The Dark Knight Some Possible Joker Info.

[Seen]

Erm, maybe I missed something here, but why are we believing Anjow? I mean, isn't this usually the part where everyone is suspicious? It wouldn't be the first time a long-time member made something up out of boredom.

Agreed.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I'm not sure why there's so much opposition to this idea--he just wears a mask before he becomes the Joker. What's the big deal?

I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but this could work actually . . . I trust that Nolan could pull off the irony of such a coincidence, and I'm sure he would add another psychological tier to the notion . . . I mean, it's not much different from the way Batman turned into Batman; he embraced a fear that had layed underneath the surface for so long, that needed to inevitably embody itself . . . this would be the same kind of idea w/ Joker, only instead of the 'fear', it would be something that he chose to embrace in the first place, and evolved into something horrible . . .

Couldn't say it better myself.

 

[Agentsands77]

I have faith in Anjow until I have reason not to have faith in Anjow. He's a good member of the boards... for him to destroy his credibility by lying would be a mistake on his part, and I think he's smart enough to know that.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

One of the all-time greatest Thomas Wayne quotes. Love it.

Thx!

 

[StorminNorman]

I Believe In Anjow

 

[The Fallen]

Hey Anjow, thx for the info no matter how small it may be. News has been kinda slow for the past few weeks so anything is a postitve IMO. Joker having a mask fused to his face. No thanks. He's The Joker not Black Mask. I dig the idea of Bats by acident causing some damage to the Joker, it adds to the relationship. And the suit, as long as the new suit rocks and it not gimmicky and the reson is sound, got for it. Just don't do it for the sake of doing it. It needs to be better than the first and that's no small task as the Begins suit was great.

 

[StorminNorman]

lol Norman, i have no idea what thats supposed to mean.....but ok.

I was aiming for complete randomness there. I think I succeeded.

 

[StorminNorman]

well he said it "pissed the joker off something awful" which i could totally see the Brian scene working off that.

I really like that - it gives a solid reason for the Joker to be so obsessed with Batman, and not say any other vigilante/figure of justice/superhero he comes across.

 

[SimpleHero82]

so batman makes joker into the joker we all know and love. but he was a 'joker' before batman was totally in the picture.

at least there's a reason for the two to be great arch nemisis. more personal than the last. i like it.

 

[Asgard]

from my impression, he's already Joker. But Bats is the final cookie in the jar that completes everything. Like that one little thing that pushes someone over the edge. Makes someone have one.....bad....day....

Why does that last line sound so familiar to me? Maybe it was references in BB or something. I dont know, when I read it it instantly felt familiar, like Id heard it before.

 

[user123456789]

*very* positive.

will u be my wife

 

[Steelsheen]

Batman changes his suit due to "water damage"

thanks for the confirmation man

 

[Steelsheen]

big big thanks Anjow. keep 'em comin'

take that LR

Batman changes his suit due to "water damage"

And off we go

He was on his way to a dinner-buisness meeting (it's 6:45 in LA remember)
but I asked him about the Joker mask-burning thing. He told me he had read the script once and couldn't site specifics other than Joker's mask doesn't get burned to his face. He did say however that Bats is in-advertantly involved with "pissing the Joker off something awful with some physical dysfigurement" but right when I asked what it was he cut me off and said he had to go. I told him to call me later and he said ok.

That's what we have for now.

He hasn't mentioned Joker stealing the bat suit at all. He had told me that Bruce needed something because he had problems with water weighing down the bat-suit at one point or another. He never said if it was because he had to ditch out of the batmobile or anything of the sort, nor did he mention that Bats was drowning. He just said the suit got weighed down by water. My first impression of that was that it rained heavily or something of the sort and the suit slowed him down in terms of fighting or what not and he would get hurt/the bad guy gets away. Something of that nature. But there was no way I was gonna post that, because god forbid I was wrong, i'd get mutilated on here. But after UBU posted that, i was like "bingo. That makes sense"

 

[Miranda Fox]

from my impression, he's already Joker. But Bats is the final cookie in the jar that completes everything. Like that one little thing that pushes someone over the edge. Makes someone have one.....bad....day....

Hmmmm........this is making more sense the more i think about it.....

Yep. Of course, this means I've gotta eat a hella lot of crow over berating people about the 'no origin' thing. But...I don't hate this. In fact, someone on BOF (BaptistX) made a good point about how, really, this isn't that far fetched really. No more than other villians in the comic-verse. And as someone pointed out earlier - it's not really all that different from the Killing Joke.

But yes - sorry to all those who had to sit and listen to me saying 'no origin.' You were right and I was a dumbass.

 

[Steelsheen]

at this early stage of production Miranda, all guesses are fair game

 

[sasquatchs]

Well I'll be glad if he isn't a pathetic comedian before his transformation, a more gradual decline sits better with me. Can't really wrap my head around everything though, if in the opening bank scene he's already Joker and he robbed banks before Batman met him, when did he fully turn? Probably the Nolan's crazy flashbacks/forwards throwing us off.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Well I'll be glad if he isn't a pathetic comedian before his transformation, a more gradual decline sits better with me. Can't really wrap my head around everything though, if in the opening bank scene he's already Joker and he robbed banks before Batman met him, when did he fully turn? Probably the Nolan's crazy flashbacks/forwards throwing us off.

Yes, probably. I'm still wondering about that myself. Perhaps - as many have speculated - Joker's origin happened before the rooftop meeting with Gordon. It's not a direct retcon since some time was supposed to have passed.

That also would explain something in the sides I kept meaning to toss up for discussion - remember one of the clown goons who mentioned the 'chicken****s who believe in ghosts?' Well, there could more to that than simply mentioning a generic superstition - what if the Joker really is using his old gang but changed his methods to suit his new persona (and is also using it put the fear of god into them). They're scared (and greedy) so they go along with it, not realising he's actually there.

Five Way Revenge, baby!

 

[Showtime]

I think that is a possibility Retro.

 

[fabman]

But is he already the Joker in the bank scene? He is... right?

 

[Miranda Fox]

But is he already the Joker in the bank scene? He is... right?

I'm only guessing - but I think he is. If you go by the dialogue between the two clown goons and the bank manager's scene, I'd say so.

 

[sasquatchs]

I don't know how he can't be from the sides and pictakers covert snaps. Batman obviously can't be involved in that daylight scene so he must get messed up previously. So he's essentially Joker with a normal face, Bats catches up with Joker, somehow Joker gets hurt and now his face matches his twisted mind? Maybe, maybe not

 

[Miranda Fox]

I don't know how he can't be from the sides and pictakers covert snaps. Batman obviously can't be involved in that daylight scene so he must get messed up previously. So he's essentially Joker with a normal face, Bats catches up with Joker, somehow Joker gets hurt and now his face matches his twisted mind? Maybe, maybe not

Yup.

I just can't see how he can't already have a messed up face by the time the bank robbery happens...

 

[fabman]

Yeah, especially after the Bank Manager's reaction.

 

[Van Petrol]

Yep. I reckon during the bank robbery he is already the Joker, and is wearing make-up (ala Nicholson in B89) to disguise himself. And as he can't hide his facial disfigurement, hence the mask.

I believe this would bode well with the setpics we've seen, and the bank managers reaction.

 

[Milkman95]

I don't know how he can't be from the sides and pictakers covert snaps. Batman obviously can't be involved in that daylight scene so he must get messed up previously. So he's essentially Joker with a normal face, Bats catches up with Joker, somehow Joker gets hurt and now his face matches his twisted mind? Maybe, maybe not

That's a good theory - maybe he's the Joker with the white face, red lips, green hair, and wide grin at the bank and before his first encounter with Batman.

Is it possilbe he gets even further disfigured by Batman, hence some scarring and prosthetics being applied later in the film? Will the Joker have TWO looks? One that WB releases, one that they don't so people have to wait and see the film?