Space and Astronomy Megathread (MERGED)

[The Evolutionist]

www.vhemt.org

 

[Tyrinus]

Well to slow down population growth all we have to do is make sterilization mandatory at birth.

 

[primemover]

Well to slow down population growth all we have to do is make sterilization mandatory at birth.

Who decides who gets sterilized?

 

[The Evolutionist]

Slowing down population growth will accomplish next to nothing, what the world (and for the purposes of this discussion, the universe) is for humanity to go extinct.

 

[primemover]

After about a generation you’d have humans that couldn’t go to Earth because they’d be too weak to walk on the surface of the Earth.

This has nothing to do with generations as Evolution does not work this way, unless you are saying there will be some selection pressure for those weaker people. This is just a body atrophy issue and this would happen a lot faster than a generation, it'd happen within weeks.

The gravity and the health of those living on Mars is an issue for that reason though, but not due to muscle density and strength, due to bone density and strength, as bones need constant banging to stay strong. Venus is the only planet in our solar system that has the mass for gravity to not effects that much, but losing even 10% of our gravity can spell doom over the long haul.

The best escape for us is to build spinning hollow torus's that can imitate gravity via centrifugal force. Mars can be used as a factory to build these things, then shoot them into space

 

[primemover]

Slowing down population growth will accomplish next to nothing, what the world (and for the purposes of this discussion, the universe) is for humanity to go extinct.

You act like entropy has a will.

 

[The Evolutionist]

You act like entropy has a will.

Sorry, I didn't make my statement clear enough, and i was kind of hoping for people to look at the link I posted earlier.

I believe that humanity must cause ITSELF to go extinct by VOLUNTARILY ceasing to breed.

For more information, check out vhemt.org, or PM me your e-mail address and I can send you the research paper I did on the subject last quarter.

 

[Ice-man]

www.vhemt.org

i knew it. ive never heard of this site before, let alone the actuall movemeant. and its funny cuz last night i had a conversation with my friend. and i told him the only way we can save earth and return to a good normality is by a governmeant controlled human populatation genocide.

id sacrafice myself at the casue of saving one of the only really habitable planets we know of.

leave all plants and animals and let them be, we killed off way to many things anyway.

i mean seriusly humans suck.

 

[primemover]

Sorry, I didn't make my statement clear enough, and i was kind of hoping for people to look at the link I posted earlier.

I believe that humanity must cause ITSELF to go extinct by VOLUNTARILY ceasing to breed.

For more information, check out vhemt.org, or PM me your e-mail address and I can send you the research paper I did on the subject last quarter.

I'll have to give that a read later, but I am not a fan of the anti-human movement.

 

[The Evolutionist]

i knew it. ive never heard of this site before, and its funny cuz last night i had a conversation with my friend. and i told him the only way we can save earth and return to normality is by a governmeant controlled populatation genocide.

id sacrafice myself at the casue of saving one of the only really habitable planets we know of.

Woah, woah, woah...nobody said anything about genocide on that site except to say that it is wrong. The idea is not to kill, it's all voluntary (hence the name VOLUNTARY Human Extinction MoveMent), and through not creating new humans. It has nothing to do with ending anyones life early.

 

[The Evolutionist]

I'll have to give that a read later, but I am not a fan of the anti-human movement.

It's not anti-human, in fact the main goal is to make human's lives better, it just involves the end of our species.

 

[Ice-man]

Woah, woah, woah...nobody said anything about genocide on that site except to say that it is wrong. The idea is not to kill, it's all voluntary (hence the name VOLUNTARY Human Extinction MoveMent), and through not creating new humans. It has nothing to do with ending anyones life early.

no i know that now i read the movmeant facts, but thats what i said to my friend last night before knowing about it being a voluntary movemeant. hell i didnt think anyone would have really felt the same way. i would have thought a human extinction idea would be stupid, but it could actually be one of the smartest things weve ever done.

and humans are stubborn, not evryone will want to voluntary die out, they want to continue on their legacy by having kids, waching there kids have kids, and so on.

the only way this can properly work is mass genocide....

 

[The Evolutionist]

no i know that now i read the movmeant facts, but thats what i said to my friend last night before knowing about it being a voluntary movemeant. hell i didnt think anyone would have really felt the same way. i would have thought a human extinction idea would be stupid, but it could actually be one of the smartest things weve ever done.

and humans are stubborn, not evryone will want to voluntary die out, they want to continue on their legacy by having kids, waching there kids have kids, and so on.

the only way this can properly work is mass genocide....

Yeah, a lot of people say that they thought they were the only ones before they found out about VHEMT.

And yes, it is probably impossible to convince every single human being on earth to stop breeding, but that doesn't give anyone the right to start killing people.

 

[chamber-music]

There’s one main problem with the moon, it only has one-sixth the gravity of Earth and therefore would only have one-sixth of the atmosphere.
Mars is the real candidate except for one other issue, the gravity is also too weak. One hundred pounds on Earth is only about thirty-eight on Mars. After about a generation you’d have humans that couldn’t go to Earth because they’d be too weak to walk on the surface of the Earth.

Sweet does that mean if Mars had an atmosphere and someone from Earth went there they would be super strong.

 

[Ice-man]

in a way, we would be able to loft heavyer objects cuz they would seem much lighter there.

lifting 100 pound weights there is probably the equivilant to lifting 30 pound weights here.

 

[DorkyFresh]

terraforming planets? why, so we can go over there and screw that planet up also?

we can't even take care of our own planet, what more create a habitable planet?

 

[FaT_tONle]

teraaforming.

for the survival of humans it only seems possible by terraforming other planets, and moons, earth will one day end, and when that happens so will animals plants humans everything, ware will we all be, non existant, i dont want that.

im all for the terraforming methods but are you? im sure you are if u wana live.


the most likly candidates for the terrafoming process are mars, venus and our own moon.

for mars since its the #1 choice, what theyd need to do is heat up the ploar ice caps and let the water melt, with that water melted oxygen will be realesed, will need to plant some things around rich soil near the water and in time it will have both oxygen and carbon.

with that being done a thicker atmosphere will start to develop, than weather itself will form, rain will bring about new oceans, lakes rivers and with plant life there will be sources of food, all we need to do than is transport humans and animals to mars.

hopefully after the maned missons to mars and after more data is collected and more reaserch is done, i think the plan for the terraformation will be drawn up.


its 100% possible to achive, and i hope it happens sooner rather than later, yea itl take maybe 100 somwhat years to complete but it will sooo be worth it in the end.

http://www.cascadia.ctc.edu/faculty...ojects F05/TF Mars F05.2/terraformingmars.jpg

Ya I just saw this idea on a show called Mars Underground on the science channel... was running all week because it was space week

 

[FaT_tONle]

terraforming planets? why, so we can go over there and screw that planet up also?

we can't even take care of our own planet, what more create a habitable planet?

Man I am tired of the pessimism.... cmon its not like there is much life on Mars now as it is... the goal of Humanity should be to spread life NOT sit here on Earth and let it rot... we are supposed to EXPAND our presence for future generations.... that is how it is meant to be.... resources here on Earth will be gone soon enough.... I think Mars can be terraformed in less than a thousand years... and if we have the technology we should damn well do it...

 

[Ice-man]

Ya I just saw this idea on a show called Mars Underground on the science channel... was running all week because it was space week

thats what mars undergraound was gonna be about, dammit i missed is by 2 hours, ill try to catch that another time.

was it good?

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

the goal of humanity is to better man kind not spread life. if we cant better ourselves then whats the point of spreading out?

 

[FaT_tONle]

thats what mars undergraound was gonna be about, dammit i missed is by 2 hours, ill try to catch that another time.

was it good?

Exactly along the lines of your first post... was a fantastic piece.... it was about how our attempts to Mars have been shot down by COngress and how Nasa is stalling by putting Mars on the back burner... also had some detailed plans about how to get there and the purpose of going there.... check it out

 

[FaT_tONle]

the goal of humanity is to better man kind not spread life. if we cant better ourselves then whats the point of spreading out?

This isn't about a social or moral thing.... this isn't about okay lets look into the mirror and discover ourselves... this isn't about let's build a Utopia here on Earth, because only then can we venture into other planets... those problems are ALWAYS going to be there.... this is about the mere fact that the Earth won't be able to house more than 9 billion people with the current resources we have on it... its about expanding and bettering our chances of survival... stop bringing the moral and ethical things into this argument because it is really irrelevant to the problem at hand.... faults in our morals and ethics have nothing to do with green house emissions into the atmosphere and any other man made environmental problems. Those problems were simply the by-product of trying out new technology and making man's life easier... it isn't a moral or ethical thing

 

[Victarion]

Congratulations, Ice-man. Today will be remembered as the day you formed a coherent and logical thought.

 

[Ice-man]

sweet! thanks morzan

 

[Ice-man]

sweet! thanks morzan