Speed fastest reflexes / over ground / travel period.

[Eyeballing]

Silver Age shenanigans. I think it's pretty commonly accepted that the speed of light is the maximum in modern comics, or if it's not, it should be.

I would hate to disagree with you here Corp, but I just think that only applies to our own real world reality. It may also hold true for DC where for some reason the speed of light is the commonly accepted limit, but in Marvel you have beings like SS, Gladiator, Thor, and The Runner who on ocassion or often surpass light speed by a little or by hundreds or even thousands of times.

Hell even Flash has done it once or twice.

 

[X]

Yes but that was only for a little while, even without it he is extremley fast. But as Thanos stated he controled space, so he wasn't always "running" eveywhere, he would teleport a lot. Which is why Thanos explains he would often wind up somewhere before he started to run, because he would think of a place then teleport there.

So at those speeds he really didn't run.

He was just as fast under Engleheart and in his original New Defenders appearance. He was blitzing ****ing Norrin who has a speed feat (The Infinity Gauntlet grab) that was calculated to be even faster than Wally's city evacuation. Some people argue that Wally coulden't even see The Runner until The Runner allowed it, and it kind of looked that way.

I mean, Norrin's fought Deathurge at FTL speeds and he could barely even keep his eyes on The Runner. It's just my opinion that The Runner's the premiere speedster in comics, peroid. Like all the Elders, he should get respect. And considering he's thrashed The Collector, Thanos, The Surfer, and threatened merrily to beat the **** out of The Champion, he deserves that respect that much more.

 

[Eyeballing]

He was just as fast under Engleheart and in his original New Defenders appearance. He was blitzing ****ing Norrin who has a speed feat (The Infinity Gauntlet grab) that was calculated to be even faster than Wally's city evacuation. Some people argue that Wally coulden't even see The Runner until The Runner allowed it, and it kind of looked that way.

I mean, Norrin's fought Deathurge at FTL speeds and he could barely even keep his eyes on The Runner. It's just my opinion that The Runner's the premiere speedster in comics, peroid. Like all the Elders, he should get respect. And considering he's thrashed The Collector, Thanos, The Surfer, and threatened merrily to beat the **** out of The Champion, he deserves that respect that much more.

I agree X, but I was simply stating that when he tore apart Thanos he was in the posession of the Space Gem, so not that he wasn't immensely fast but he was just controlling the reality of space itself. That being said, yes he is still pretty much tops.

BTW in which ish, did he take on norrin?

 

[X]

Oh, I understand... I was just elaborating.

And he took on Norrin in this issues...

I can send it to you. I can send you all of vol. 1, 2, and 3 if you want. SS Graphic Novels too. Free free free!

 

[Eyeballing]

Oh, I understand... I was just elaborating.

And he took on Norrin in this issues...

I can send it to you. I can send you all of vol. 1, 2, and 3 if you want. SS Graphic Novels too. Free free free!

Heh, I forgot all about that one

 

[X]

I find it awesome how The Runner proclaimed how much fun it was almost killing The Silver Surfer.

 

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[Silicon Surfer]

He was just as fast under Engleheart and in his original New Defenders appearance. He was blitzing ****ing Norrin who has a speed feat (The Infinity Gauntlet grab) that was calculated to be even faster than Wally's city evacuation. Some people argue that Wally coulden't even see The Runner until The Runner allowed it, and it kind of looked that way.

I mean, Norrin's fought Deathurge at FTL speeds and he could barely even keep his eyes on The Runner. It's just my opinion that The Runner's the premiere speedster in comics, peroid. Like all the Elders, he should get respect. And considering he's thrashed The Collector, Thanos, The Surfer, and threatened merrily to beat the **** out of The Champion, he deserves that respect that much more.

Pre-crisis Barry Allen and the Runner are probably the two fastest although The Stranger once left the Surfer behind like he was standing still making hima candidate as well.

 

[X]

Eh, Norrin was chasing him, and I think The Stranger slipped into hyperspace.

 

[Eyeballing]

Pre-crisis Barry Allen and the Runner are probably the two fastest although The Stranger once left the Surfer behind like he was standing still making hima candidate as well.

I don't think Pre-Crisis Barry is faster than Wally is now, especially if you count the evacuation feat. Wally has an easier time then Barry entering the speed force, at least that is what I have gathered.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't think Pre-Crisis Barry is faster than Wally is now, especially if you count the evacuation feat. Wally has an easier time then Barry entering the speed force, at least that is what I have gathered.

Pre-crisis there was no speedforce. All the Flashes were able to go far faster than light. Barry once did laps around the galaxy(or the universe. I don't recall).They were capable of travelling millions of times faster than they can now.Even Wally was faster than Wally.

 

[Eyeballing]

Pre-crisis there was no speedforce. All the Flashes were able to go far faster than light. Barry once did laps around the galaxy(or the universe. I don't recall).They were capable of travelling millions of times faster than they can now.Even Wally was faster than Wally.

Well, as I said, if you consider the evacuation event then Wally is capable of traveling 9 million-18 million times the speed of light, but if you take into account that everything slows down 100 times at light speed then you could say he was only traveling 90,000-180,000 times the speed of light. But I don't think that realy world physics apply to comic land

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Well, as I said, if you consider the evacuation event then Wally is capable of traveling 9 million-18 million times the speed of light, but if you take into account that everything slows down 100 times at light speed then you could say he was only traveling 90,000-180,000 times the speed of light. But I don't think that realy world physics apply to comic land

I always hated physics.Couldn't get my questions answered by the professors.When I came up with a question that seemed to refute Einstein they wimped out and wouldn't try to answer it. Maybe thats why I like comic books still. No physics.

 

[Eyeballing]

I always hated physics.Couldn't get my questions answered by the professors.When I came up with a question that seemed to refute Einstein they wimped out and wouldn't try to answer it. Maybe thats why I like comic books still. No physics.

Well I have read a couple things as of late, one posted by someone here on the boards about a certain particle or sub atomic particle that travels faster than the speed of light and on tv a show on the Discovery channel. They were are some high tech experimental facility and researchers were launching atoms or particles of something of the sort down tubes, I can't quite remember exactly how fast, but I want to say the speed was something like 15 million times the speed of light.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They're tachyons. Comic books have incorporated them, too, most notably DC in the science fiction behind their time-traveling characters. I'm pretty sure they're still theoretical, though.

 

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And yes I've heard of those, but there is something else as well. I can't remember what they were using or what molecules but I'll get back to you on it.

 

[The Joker™]

I still say Zoom is the fastest of any speedster.

Wally was barley keeping up with him after Jesse gave him her speed formula to keep up, plus he was charged up with Bart and Jays speed still.

They were doing laps around the world and only a few seconds had passed, Superman looked like a statue to them and that was well he was try to help someone.

Wally was moving faster then light to during all this because he was being called by speedforce.

Thats just Zoom going at normal speed to maybe a little less the normal becasue he was still trying to get adjusted to the rate he was moving at.

So who knows what he could max at.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I still say Zoom is the fastest of any speedster.

Wally was barley keeping up with him after Jesse gave him her speed formula to keep up, plus he was charged up with Bart and Jays speed still.

They were doing laps around the world and only a few seconds had passed, Superman looked like a statue to them and that was well he was try to help someone.

Wally was moving faster then light to during all this because he was being called by speedforce.

Thats just Zoom going at normal speed to maybe a little less the normal becasue he was still trying to get adjusted to the rate he was moving at.

So who knows what he could max at.

Again he controls his time flow, he doesn't actually move at super speeds like wally or the runner does.

 

[The Joker™]

Again he controls his time flow, he doesn't actually move at super speeds like wally or the runner does.

Yeah he does move at superspeeds.

He controls his time flow so that it speeds up.

The fact that he can make sonicbooms, mass punches and his perceptions at first is proof of that.

He punched wally from Keystone to what looked to be Alaska or something like that.

He couldn'tdo that if he wasn't moving fast.

His ounches would be like a normal humans.

Plus his speach patern is close together indicating he moves fast.

Otherwise there would be no need to make it look like hes running in the comics or his speech being affected by it.

I think of Zoom's powers being like a VCR.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah he does move at superspeeds.

He controls his time flow so that it speeds up.

The fact that he can make sonicbooms, mass punches and his perceptions at first is proof of that.

He punched wally from Keystone to what looked to be Alaska or something like that.

He couldn'tdo that if he wasn't moving fast.

His ounches would be like a normal humans.

Plus his speach patern is close together indicating he moves fast.

Otherwise there would be no need to make it look like hes running in the comics or his speech being affected by it.

I think of Zoom's powers being like a VCR.

If he physically moves fast, then why can't he travel through time or use the cosmic treadmill?

 

[The Joker™]

If he physically moves fast, then why can't he travel through time or use the cosmic treadmill?

In all his Appearences they always talk about how fast hes moving.

In Flash #200 after Jesse gives him her mantra, Flash is able to see Zoom because now hes moving at the rate Zooms body is moving.

In that same issue Jay comes up with a theroy that he is not on the timeline.
He can not go backwards, but as he moves forward hes not locked to one speed.

He can control how fast or how slow he moves ahead in time.

He can even stop himself.

In Flash #219 Zoom tells Cheetah the same thing that he controls how fast or how slow he moves.

If he wasn't physically then he wouldn't be able to do anything like I said.

In #224 Wally even says Zoom is incredibly fast.

The first time he tried to use the cosmic treadmill he didn't have his powers so he attempted to hot-wire it, but that didn't work.

The second time he got it going, but Wally luckly had just enough speed to push him down and mess it up.

Zolomon then broke into the museum and attempted to use the treadmill himself. The resulting explosion destroyed the museum and shifted Hunter's connection to time. He could now alter his personal timeframe, giving the effect of super-speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_(comics)

 

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In all his Appearences they always talk about how fast hes moving.

In Flash #200 after Jesse gives him her mantra, Flash is able to see Zoom because now hes moving at the rate Zooms body is moving.

In that same issue Jay comes up with a theroy that he is not on the timeline.
He can not go backwards, but as he moves forward hes not locked to one speed.

He can control how fast or how slow he moves ahead in time.

He can even stop himself.

In Flash #219 Zoom tells Cheetah the same thing that he controls how fast or how slow he moves.

If he wasn't physically then he wouldn't be able to do anything like I said.

In #224 Wally even says Zoom is incredibly fast.

The first time he tried to use the cosmic treadmill he didn't have his powers so he attempted to hot-wire it, but that didn't work.

The second time he got it going, but Wally luckly had just enough speed to push him down and mess it up.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_(comics)

Ah but as you quoted from wikipedia it says, the effect of super-speed, not super speed itself. And that occured before he was granted his powers, he hot wired the cosmic treadmill. He still can't use it to time travel.

 

[The Joker™]

Okay I just read Wonder Women 214 and now I know where people are getting the miscoception that Zoom isn't a speedster.

Wonder Women says that Zoom is popping in and out of time which isn't true because hes on the time line but he just controls how fast he moves on the time line.

Then another part was when Wonder Women said hes not "truly" faster then her, but then why does Wally always talk about how much Zoom is faster then him and everyone.

Although Wonder Women even said he punched her harder then Superman because the punch was faster then light.

Theres noway Wonder Women would have been able to punch or get the lasso around him.

I don't know I guess they had to come up with some way for them to stop Zoom otherwise he would have just ran **** on Wonder Women and Flash.

That issue was a mess of mischaracterization for Zoom.

The Editor and Rucka messed up.

The artist didn't even draw him running fast in it like how he is in every Flash book.

He had him look as though he telports or something.

 

[The Joker™]

Ah but as you quoted from wikipedia it says, the effect of super-speed, not super speed itself. And that occured before he was granted his powers, he hot wired the cosmic treadmill. He still can't use it to time travel.

Yeah the time energy effects him giving him super speed.

Where Kinetic energy fules the Flashes.

The treadmill works off kinetic energy and Zoom is fuled by time.

Him not being able to use the treadmill doesn't dissprove him of not being able to move at Super speeds all that proves is that he doesn't give off kinetic energy to power it.


In Flash #198 Bart says sonic booms happen when somethings moving faster then the speed of sound and Zoom was making them with a snap of his fingures.