Spider-Man 2 vs The Winter Soldier

[Tacit Ronin]

Spider-man 2.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The Winter Soldier, easily.
To this day, I feel like Spider-Man 2
is one of the most overrated comic book films.

The game deserved all the praise that it got, but
the film itself was never that special to me.

The game tie-in is another enjoyable yet heavily overrated Spidey experience, squandered by issues people who praise the game usually choose not to talk about.

 

[BatOnTheWing]

The game tie-in is another enjoyable yet heavily overrated Spidey experience, squandered by issues people who praise the game usually choose not to talk about.

Other than the repetitiveness of the side-missions,
I didn't find the game to have any pressing issues. That said,
I also haven't played it in about a decade and some years.

 

[Rorschach2012]

SM2 all the way

 

[slimshady247]

Spider-Man 2, no contest.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I can't choose.

 

[spiderman2]

The Winter Soldier, easily.
To this day, I feel like Spider-Man 2
is one of the most overrated comic book films.

The game deserved all the praise that it got, but
the film itself was never that special to me.

I fell the opisite i love winter solider but civil war is better and even civil war is not close to has good has Spider-Man 2. I think Spider-Man 2 has know become underrated and the game on the other hand while great for its time has not aged that while. When it came out Spider-Man 2 game was like the best superhero game ever now while i would say it is still a good game it is not even close to batman Arkham city, knight and origins to.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Other than the repetitiveness of the side-missions,
I didn't find the game to have any pressing issues. That said,
I also haven't played it in about a decade and some years.

Repetition is part of every game, so the repetitive nature of street missions is not an issue. Prerequisite missions in order to progress the story on the other hand, those are painful. And then we have the street thugs blocking Spider-Man attacks and dodging his webs very easily when it is not the web balls.

I fell the opposite i love winter solider but civil war is better and even civil war is not close to has good has Spider-Man 2. I think Spider-Man 2 has now become overrated and the game on the other hand while great for its time has not aged that while. When it came out Spider-Man 2 game was like the best superhero game ever now while i would say it is still a good game it is not even close to batman Arkham city, knight and origins to.

I believe you meant to say the word 'underrated'.

 

[spiderman2]

Repetition is part of every game, so the repetitive nature of street missions is not an issue. Prerequisite missions in order to progress the story on the other hand, those are painful. And then we have the street thugs blocking Spider-Man attacks and dodging his webs very easily when it is not the web balls.

I believe you meant to say the word 'underrated'.

lol yeah I did mean to say underrated going to change that now.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I think Spider-Man 2 is a better film and I think it's underrated by fan community, but I enjoy watching TWS tiny bit more.

 

[Ipodman]

Very few superhero movies are better than Spider-man 2. I think it gets downplayed in people's memories because of SM3 and the following Garfield films

 

[GeckoMoria]

TWS although i love them both. I never connected with Tobey as Spider-man and i love Evans as Cap so that pushes TWS over the edge for me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Very few superhero movies are better than Spider-man 2. I think it gets downplayed in people's memories because of SM3 and the following Garfield films

100% agree with this. Spidey 2 is still one of the all time greats.

 

[Erzengel]

Winter Soldier very easily.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Winter Soldier predicted Hydra (Russian backed Alt Right) infiltrating the United States, it's eerie. No superhero movie has ever been so prophetic or relevant.

And it has some of the best white nuckle action scenes in a superhero movie bar none.

Also the movie has great dramatic moments I feel go underappreciated.

My favorite MCU movie and in my top 5 all time superhero movies.

SM2 wouldn't make my top 50. Hoping Homecoming captures what I've always wanted from a Spider-man movie.

 

[Lorus]

I have to agree with those people pointing out that Spider-Man 2 is one of the greatest comic book movies ever made by any studio. It's beautifully realised, emotionally resonant and hits many classic beats of the comics perfectly. The train sequence is better than 70 percent of the rest of the genre, it's just that good.

The Winter Soldier isn't even the best Captain America movie. There's a lot of talk about the tendency of comic movies to flounder in the end in service of some overly busy CGI action ending and TWS is the patron saint of that idea. Its so incongruous that it actually hurts the thematics of the rest of the film. Iron Man 3 has far more relevant and pointed social commentary and yet that film is constantly disparaged. Go figure.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Very few superhero movies are better than Spider-man 2. I think it gets downplayed in people's memories because of SM3 and the following Garfield films

Personally, I prefer all three movies succeeding Spider-Man 2.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Iron Man 3 looks at the military industrial complex and it's relationship with terrorism.

Winter Soldier looks at what would happen if an extremist, authoritarian group took over the government.

Not only was Winter Soldier prophetic, it's far more concise, relevant and urgent.

 

[The Batman]

Having rewatched both in the last few days, Spider-Man 2.

The Winter Soldier is a really good action flick using elements of the spy thriller. It's also become overrated.

Spider-Man 2 is more well rounded, has a memorable supporting cast, and most definitely has a better lead villain. It's still one of the top 5 best superhero movies ever made.

 

[NotNickFury]

Iron Man 3 looks at the military industrial complex and it's relationship with terrorism.

Winter Soldier looks at what would happen if an extremist, authoritarian group took over the government.

Not only was Winter Soldier prophetic, it's far more concise, relevant and urgent.

Not to mention a lot of the talk about freedom versus security in Winter Soldier was established in The Avengers when Steve finds the Tesseract weapons that SHIELD is developing, but Winter Soldier greatly expands on it. Probably not intentional, but it's nice to find the connective tissue.

 

[Visualiza]

Spider-Man 2 all day. Love Cap 2, but SM2 is my favorite superhero movie, whereas TWS doesn't even top the MCU for me.

 

[Lorus]

Iron Man 3 looks at the military industrial complex and it's relationship with terrorism.

Winter Soldier looks at what would happen if an extremist, authoritarian group took over the government.

Not only was Winter Soldier prophetic, it's far more concise, relevant and urgent.

I wouldn't call TWS prophetic. The US government, as well as many governments, have been executing individuals and sanctioning strikes on others in the name of 'security' for a heck of a lot longer than the three years since TWS came out. It's merely commenting on the present reality of the world, just like Iron Man 3. Where I would say TWS fails is that it too neatly tries to delineate between 'good' and 'bad' authoritarians in such a way that the criticisms it's making are somewhat muted. "Oh" a hypothetical audience member might thing "I guess things are OK after all, we're wielding our power judiciously, like Cap and friends, wasn't it awesome when Black Widow flipped off congress?". *

Iron Man 3's observation that public sentiment is often manipulated by wealthy demagogues that construct phantom boogeymen in order to line their own pockets and further their own power comes across as extremely relevant. Especially in a post Trump world.

*Yes, this is basically a problem with superheroes in general and you could maybe argue that this is a deliberate setup for Age of Ultron given that Ultron is disgusted by these very ideas, but, it still hurts the TWS as an independent film.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wouldn't call TWS prophetic. The US government, as well as many governments, have been executing individuals and sanctioning strikes on others in the name of 'security' for a heck of a lot longer than the three years since TWS came out. It's merely commenting on the present reality of the world, just like Iron Man 3. Where I would say TWS fails is that it too neatly tries to delineate between 'good' and 'bad' authoritarians in such a way that the criticisms it's making are somewhat muted. "Oh" a hypothetical audience member might thing "I guess things are OK after all, we're wielding our power judiciously, like Cap and friends, wasn't it awesome when Black Widow flipped off congress?". *

Iron Man 3's observation that public sentiment is often manipulated by wealthy demagogues that construct phantom boogeymen in order to line their own pockets and further their own power comes across as extremely relevant. Especially in a post Trump world.

*Yes, this is basically a problem with superheroes in general and you could maybe argue that this is a deliberate setup for Age of Ultron given that Ultron is disgusted by these very ideas, but, it still hurts the TWS as an independent film.

It just depends on how you view the alt right-neofascist-Russian agenda. While they aren't literally Hydra they share some things in common. And their sketchy rise to power reminded me of Hydra's infiltration and attempted take over in Winter Soldier.

Also I think there is a sizable distinction between authoritarian and democratic authority. The former denies your civil liberties and democratic voice and the latter does not (at least anywhere near the extent the authoritarian does).

You're right that IM3 exposes the whole black flag boogie man trick that governments use to manipulate the public but I don't think that's as alarming and historical as the US government being infiltrated by extremist and potentially foreign agents.

 

[Lorus]

It just depends on how you view the alt right-neofascist-Russian agenda. While they aren't literally Hydra they share some things in common. And their sketchy rise to power reminded me of Hydra's infiltration and attempted take over in Winter Soldier.

Also I think there is a sizable distinction between authoritarian and democratic authority. The former denies your civil liberties and democratic voice and the latter does not (at least anywhere near the extent the authoritarian does).

You're right that IM3 exposes the whole black flag boogie man trick that governments use to manipulate the public but I don't think that's as alarming and historical as the US government being infiltrated by extremist and potentially foreign agents.

Eh, to be honest, I don't think Russian influence in the US government is the best parallel to make with TWS. Part of my whole issue with TWS is that the film goes back on itself. Zola's scene doesn't suggest that HYDRA needs to take over, rather the much scarier idea that they already have. Project Insight is entirely unnecessary and a downright stupid idea on behalf of HYDRA. They won years ago and nobody noticed or, perhaps, cared. This seems more relevant to me as a criticism of the blind eye society has taken to the actions of their armies against 'terrorists'. After all, Trump's Russian connections have been very publicly criticised and discussed and are ultimately financial in nature. The notion of trading freedom for security doesn't really come into it.

The film only really has power if it is criticising the overreach of existing power structures. Casting HYDRA as 'foreign' agents rather than just fascist ones only dilutes the message of the film, in my eyes.

 

[Infinity9999x]

SM2 is a very good movie. SM2 as a spiderman adaptation has a lot of issues that really bother me as a fan, so I greatly prefe WS.