Homecoming Spider-Man Homecoming (2017) General Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 103

[harryoscop]

He would have to be a complete nerd to belong to a science club in a school for science.

It would be like joining the music club at a music school to try out something different for a change.

I know right, 'specially since everybody in the school is on Peter's intelligence level in academic science. Being a nerd is the norm there. He'd have to join an athletics club or something

Later.

 

[blake c]

How so?

In the movie he tells May that he's funding Peter to go to the science school and apparently there was going to be all new classmates since it was no longer Midtown, but they decided to just give them classic names instead.

 

[Dark Raven]

I know right, 'specially since everybody in the school is on Peter's intelligence level in academic science. Being a nerd is the norm there. He'd have to join an athletics club or something

Later.

It's like they just took the science club and expanded it to the size of a school and broke away from a regular school.

Do they even have a science club at a specialist science school?

 

[blake c]

It's like they just took the science club and expanded it to the size of a school and broke away from a regular school.

Do they even have a science club at a specialist science school?

If they do, Flash probably bullies Peter by not letting him in it.

 

[SpideyJJ]

It's like they just took the science club and expanded it to the size of a school and broke away from a regular school.

Do they even have a science club at a specialist science school?

I don't know about other schools, but at my specialized science high school there wasn't one particular science club, but there were 4 different clubs for STEM which students had the option of joining depending on their particular preference. There was also the decathlon which would gather the best performing in each of the STEM subjects

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't know about other schools, but at my specialized science high school there wasn't one particular science club, but there were 4 different clubs for STEM which students had the option of joining depending on their particular preference. There was also the decathlon which would gather the best performing in each of the STEM subjects

What is STEM?

And were the small groups called STEM cells?

And how come you don't have an avatar?

This would suit your username if you could cut it to the right size:

 

[SpideyJJ]

What is STEM?

Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics

And were the small groups called STEM cells?

Ffs lol , that would've actually been great

 

[harryoscop]

I don't know about other schools, but at my specialized science high school there wasn't one particular science club, but there were 4 different clubs for STEM which students had the option of joining depending on their particular preference. There was also the decathlon which would gather the best performing in each of the STEM subjects

How were the students in your school? was everybody a mathlete, engineer, scientist, etc? Was there any variety like normal schools? I've never been to a specialized school (and I'm not a fan of Peter being in one either) so I'm curious about this.

 

[SpideyJJ]

How were the students in your school? was everybody a mathlete, engineer, scientist, etc? Was there any variety like normal schools? I've never been to a specialized school (and I'm not a fan of Peter being in one either) so I'm curious about this.

Actually, it was alot like a normal high school, except there was way more of a push on the sciences than most (that and the average student GPA was higher, so not everyone was a 'genius' per se, but performed at a higher than average level). There was quite a bit of variety in activities like in other schools as well.
Not everyone was a mathlete or scientist or whatever though, it was mainly those who wished to pursue a career in that particular path and met a certain grade level for the specific subjects (was a mathlete myself lol).

Honestly, Peter being in a specialized school isn't a problem (trust me, it's not filled with a bunch of budding science genius type characters as one would imagine, besides higher than normal grade requirements and heavy STEM emphasis it's pretty much like a normal high school). Heck, the fact that he's at one on a scholarship could be a point in which his double life messes with his academic career (since he's on a scholarship, he'd obviously have to meet a certain grade requirement and being Spider-Man could mess with his grades). There's a variety of student types and different activities/clubs available, at least for my school and a couple of others in my hometown.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't feel like science is even a subject Flash should be taking. He should spend most of his time in sports and might even need tutoring in science.

 

[SpideyJJ]

I don't feel like science is even a subject Flash should be taking. He should spend most of his time in sports and might even need tutoring in science.

^^^^^^^ THIS. It's one thing if you don't want Flash to be the stereotypical underperforming jock, but turning him into Amadeus Cho, Nerdy Cyberbully Extraordinaire is just a pointless deviation from the character and robs him of one of his more interesting arcs

 

[harryoscop]

Actually, it was alot like a normal high school, except there was way more of a push on the sciences than most (that and the average student GPA was higher, so not everyone was a 'genius' per se, but performed at a higher than average level). There was quite a bit of variety in activities like in other schools as well.
Not everyone was a mathlete or scientist or whatever though, it was mainly those who wished to pursue a career in that particular path and met a certain grade level for the specific subjects (was a mathlete myself lol).

Honestly, Peter being in a specialized school isn't a problem (trust me, it's not filled with a bunch of budding science genius type characters as one would imagine, besides higher than normal grade requirements and heavy STEM emphasis it's pretty much like a normal high school). Heck, the fact that he's at one on a scholarship could be a point in which his double life messes with his academic career (since he's on a scholarship, he'd obviously have to meet a certain grade requirement and being Spider-Man could mess with his grades). There's a variety of student types and different activities/clubs available, at least for my school and a couple of others in my hometown.

Huh. Well, okay then. May not be AS bad as I thought it would be, the way Tom described it. (if Homecoming doesn't exaggerate it). So a variety of activities-- did you guys have sports and athletic, whatnot? (Something Flash should be in to) Did you guys have drama clubs? What kind of bullies resided in your school?

I'm still not a huge fan of it because if every student does have a higher GPA than the average, I have a hard time seeing how Peter can be an outcast or a loser in the eyes of the majority. Unless they try to play up the double life affecting his grades (like you said).


Isn't it weird that every problem we have with this movie can be attributed or traced back to Tony Stark? It makes me wonder what Peter's school was like pre-Civil War. Maybe more traditional Midtown? What if a Harry, Gwen and MJ existed there. Maybe they come back for the sequel.

 

[Dark Raven]

Huh. Well, okay then. May not be AS bad as I thought it would be, the way Tom described it. (if Homecoming doesn't exaggerate it). So a variety of activities-- did you guys have sports and athletic, whatnot? (Something Flash should be in to) Did you guys have drama clubs? What kind of bullies resided in your school?

I'm still not a huge fan of it because if every student does have a higher GPA than the average, I have a hard time seeing how Peter can be an outcast or a loser in the eyes of the majority. Unless they try to play up the double life affecting his grades (like you said).


Isn't it weird that every problem we have with this movie can be attributed or traced back to Tony Stark? It makes me wonder what Peter's school was like pre-Civil War. Maybe more traditional Midtown? What if a Harry, Gwen and MJ existed there. Maybe they come back for the sequel.

The classrooms are already drama clubs with drama queens in there.

 

[blake c]

One of my favorite parts about the original comics was how Peter struggled to help may pay bills and take care of her while she was sick, handle school, and manage being Spider-man. It really showed the work ethic and character of Peter. Not to mention it was really relatable for me besides the whole Spider-man part. I just worry we won't get that with him having a billionaire on speed dial. Not to mention Tony is already paying for his schooling

 

[Dark Raven]

^^^^^^^ THIS. It's one thing if you don't want Flash to be the stereotypical underperforming jock, but turning him into Amadeus Cho, Nerdy Cyberbully Extraordinaire is just a pointless deviation from the character and robs him of one of his more interesting arcs

They could've just created a different character like that if they wanted a Draco Malfoy foil for Peter. Or even used Amadeus Cho instead. Or Debra Whitman.

Anyone but Flash.

What next? Harry the poor kid from the Bronx? MJ the ugly duckling? Oh wait...

 

[blake c]

The good thing about this movie & any movie is that for anyone not named

Peter
May
Tony
Happy
Vulture

Is expendable & can be re cast

With three reboots, I don't see that being viable till at least another ten years

 

[blake c]

Did you read what I said correctly ? I said anyone NOT those peoplecharacters can be re cast as MARVEL has already re cast side characters already in this universe re casting bad Spider-Man side characters is not out of the question

I did. I'm just saying it would cause confusion among the general audience with how often Spider-man has been rebooted

 

[blake c]

Eventually recasting is fine, but I don't see it being viable till at another 7 to 10 years. I said that about two posts ago I believe. On top of that, while they may be up for recast in the future, Marvel is defining their version of the characters in homecoming. It wouldn't make sense to have flash as a somewhat scrawny academic bully and then recast him in the next movie as a buff football player.

 

[blake c]

They are clearly not above changing things if enough people are loud about it case in point The Mandarin & they surely would not want negative post & news all over the net about a bad supporting cast downplaying hype of this new franchise if the supporting cast sucks MARVEL will most likely respond it would not be good business keeping the actors / actresses people dont like. Or at the very least write them out of sequels & replace Flash with Eddie & Ned with Harry etc. MARVEL will have plenty of options to move forward if this supporting cast sucks

The Mandarin was an easy rewrite that hasn't and probably will never show up in the films again. Not to mention it didn't affect his back-story or change the events of IM3. You can't change physical characteristics and back-story of a same character within the same universe though. If Zendaya turns out to be MJ, I'm sure there will be backlash, but there is no going back. You can't fire her and hire someone else to be 616 MJ within the same continuity. Lack of structure and coherence leads to another TASM 2. Plus I don't want characters wrote out because they were bad. Flash and co are essential to a young Peter Parker's high-school experience and deserve to be done correctly on screen. I just want the basis of Spider-mans world to be accurate. A lot depends on it. Out of all the companies, I feel like Marvel should know this best. Certain events can't take place if the world building is not correct. Some of these events even affect Peter as a person. I realize there are a lot expectations of Feige and crew, and I understand they won't meet all of them, but at least get the characters right.

 

[blake c]

The characters are not right though at least the high school ones are not right they are unrecognizable as is they have already failed the side characters

While I disagree with a lot of casting choices and some of the direction they are taking the movie, I'm going to wait till I see the movie to make a complete judgment. At this point its definitely to late to recast, and I think rewrites are only going to make matters worse. Even though I come off as critical, I am still excited for the film. I don't think I could ever not be excited for a Spider-man film.

 

[Dark Raven]

The easiest thing rather than recasting is to simply reshoot a couple of scenes where Revelori's character is referred to as Flash or Thompson, and simply call him something else. If his character with the new name is popular, then all well and good, but if not, then they can drop him. They'd get the best of both worlds if they went that route rather than pigeon-holing him into the Flash character, and would allow them to potentially use the classic Flash later.

Why does he HAVE to be Flash? A new character or even being Amadeus Cho would work equally as well (but probably better). Are they simply making him Flash for the sake of diversity? That's what it seems to come down to in the end, if they're not willing to just make him a different character.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ha not a bad idea giving most of the side characters no name kinda like how FOX muted ashev in Dooms name

It would be the least expensive route rather than recasting. It's not like they will keep using his name all the time in the movie. So it would only require a small shot of them saying his name differently, or even just audio heard off camera. Some of it could just be voiceover, which is easier than actual reshooting. Or they could even dub in something else that looks phonetically the same.

I think doing that would really free them up. There wouldn't be as much scrutiny on the character and he could be appreciated in his own right as an academic rival. And it would allow them to either develop him in future movies if he is well received, or to bring in classic Flash instead.

After all, in other things they have created original characters. Phil Coulson is a prime example. He was a small role in IM1, but was well received and kept appearing and later got his own show. That allowed him to develop naturally and for fans to appreciate him, rather than him being someone like Clay Quarterman or someone else, who would've seemed very different.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Why wouldnt he be? Original characters can still be white, i know the political environment is a little different as opposed to 10 years ago but lets not be ridiculous here. Coming from a black guy by the way.
I do agree that coulson could've been clay quartermain though.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why wouldnt he be? Original characters can still be white, i know the political environment is a little different as opposed to 10 years ago but lets not be ridiculous here. Coming from a black guy by the way.
I do agree that coulson could've been clay quartermain though.

I'm saying that the fact that he wasn't Quartermain allowed him to breathe and to be received well in his own right. Or he might not have, in which case, they could've replaced him with someone else easily. But it gave them more options. They can still bring in Quartermain now if they wanted, or they don't have to at all since Coulson is liked by the fans and they wanted him to be brought back from the dead after the Avengers.

So if Revelori were back to being Manuel as originally rumoured, then maybe he could also be well received as that character. And think about it: Marvel would then have two characters they could use: Manuel the academic intellectual rival who makes life difficult for Peter online or in class where Peter should be excelling, and Flash, who is more of a physical challenge and has his own background in athletics.

Why have one character only when you could get two?

Marvel have two top tier heroes they can use: Iron Man and Spider-Man. They use both. They don't choose to just combine them into one now and have Iron Spider, the billionaire industrialist with arachnid powers.

 

[harryoscop]

I do wonder if that rumor about them slapping classic CB names onto OCs was true. And if it was, it just makes you wonder why they were so deadset in the beginning from doing traditional, recognizable Spidey.