No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Spoiler Discussion Thread

[ragingdemon155]

So you thought there was too much comedy then?

Way too much especially the first half of the film or so.

 

[Heretic]

One thing is...now that the MCU has "used" these villains...I get the feeling that they aren't going to use them again with new actors etc. That means fresh villains from here on out and no Green Goblin in the MCU (other than the one we just had).

 

[The Joker]

Way too much especially the first half of the film or so.

I would agree. They really MCU'ed the Raimi and Webb characters, especially the villains.

 

[BMW 224]

Knowing he's from Queens doesn't mean he knows who he is. If he knew his identity he would know he wasn't black.

How else would he know that ?
Spiderman never said it literally know one in that movie said he did.

Him knowing his identity is the only way.

As for why he didn't know his race I have a possible explanation for that.

Remember when Gwen yelled "Peter" out loud ?

Electro was moving throughout the entire city with his energy so it stands to reason he could have heard that.

Max would already know who Gwen is by working at oscrop and probably obbessvely looking her up after that little elevator chat.
He would read to much into there interraction and wonder if she could be possibly available to date.

Than he would found at she was dating a kid from queens named Peter Parker.

He wouldn't know what he looks like because at that point in time he didn't know he was Spiderman so it didn't really matter.

He than puts to and to together when she yells out "Peter" at Spiderman after they have a long and intimate conversation ending with Spiderman webbing her to car for her one safety and acting like a married couple together.

It also explains why he has no reaction to Gwen helping Spiderman at the grid like Harry did when he first saw her.

 

[Web-Head]

One thing is...now that the MCU has "used" these villains...I get the feeling that they aren't going to use them again with new actors etc. That means fresh villains from here on out and no Green Goblin in the MCU (other than the one we just had).

I know and that annoys me. Venom and Kraven could be out of the question now too...

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

Why does Toby and Andrew get a pass than ?

Is it not also lazy writing to not explain the reason behind Toby liking MJ and Andrew liking Gwen by your logic ?

Far From Home started with Peter already having a crush on MJ.

Just like Spiderman 1 started with Toby having a crush on MJ.

And TASM 1 started with Andrew having a crush on Gwen.

It's the exact same thing.

There was no big long moment where Toby or Andrew realized they liked there respective love interest.

They already did before the events of the film.

The difference is in those films, you see the crush build, you see it develop.

In the Raimi films, its established that they've grown up as neighbors, so that backstory is there. In TASM 1, Gwen and Peter at least have playful, back and forth dialogue that eventually blossoms into something else. That's the difference. Compare that to MCU MJ, where they don't meet until the lunch scene.

Homecoming has no trace of Peter ever even looking at MJ in that type of way. And he literally goes from that, to having a huge crush on her — before we as an audience even make sense of why he even likes her or why they even like each other. Its not convincing. And to reduce it to "the audience knows thats MJ, so they don't need to flesh out the writing" as the post I quoted implied is an excuse.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is just my two cents.

 

[The Joker]

How else would he know that ?
Spiderman never said it literally know one in that movie said he did.

Him knowing his identity is the only way.

As for why he didn't know his race I have a possible explanation for that.

Remember when Gwen yelled "Peter" out loud ?

Electro was moving throughout the entire city with his energy so it stands to reason he could have heard that.

Max would already know who Gwen is by working at oscrop and probably obbessvely looking her up after that little elevator chat.

Than he would found at she was dating a kid from queens named Peter Parker.

He wouldn't know what he looks like because at that point in time he didn't know he was Spiderman so it didn't really matter.

He than puts to and to together when she yells out "Peter" at Spiderman after this have lon conversation lie they know each other and viloa.

My guy, how many Peters do you think live in New York? Come on. Stop clutching at straws.

All the other villains had seen Spidey's real face and knew exactly who he was through personal experience with him as Peter Parker. They made total sense to be there. You're conjuring up theories about Electro hearing Gwen randomly shout Peter amid the chaos across the city that Electro was causing.

I'm not opposed to a far reaching theory but even that one is so thin its anorexic.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I would agree. They really MCU'ed the Raimi and Webb characters, especially the villains.

Dafoe was done justice. I mean, as crazy as it sounds I would venture to say he was more twisted and given better dialogue when his first go around in SM1. He just built on his already legendary interpretation of this villain.

Ock did not get that same care and respect. That dude was definitely hit with the MCU treatment. Molina managed to save it because he’s just that damn good. I felt little to no fear in regards to him. That’s the price pay for making him a bit too quippy, having kids mock him and ya know…”salt water cause he’s an octopus”…

I’m mixed on Electro.

The treatment of Sandman/Lizard was just criminal.

 

[Green Goblin]

I think the film would have benefited with the removal of Sandman and Lizard. There was no point in having them in an already clustered, convoluted film. I'd have cut the Doctor Strange plot with him disagreeing with Peter on the villains.

Would have freed the film up more and allowed Tobey and Andrew to appear earlier.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm not opposed to a far reaching theory but even that one is so thin its anorexic.

Only explanation I can think of is that Dehanns Harry Osborn told him Spidey's secret identity off screen when they teamed up.

EDIT: Just realised Harry on puts two and two together AFTER Peter defeats Electro at the power plant.

 

[The Joker]

Dafoe was done justice. I mean, as crazy as it sounds I would venture to say he was more twisted and given better dialogue when his first go around in SM1. He just built on his already legendary interpretation of this villain.

Ock did not get that same care and respect. That dude was definitely hit with the MCU treatment. Molina managed to save it because he’s just that damn good. I felt little to no fear in regards to him. That’s the price pay for making him a bit too quippy, having kids mock him and ya know…”salt water cause he’s an octopus”…

I’m mixed on Electro.

The treatment of Sandman/Lizard was just criminal.

I've seen a couple of people say that about Ock. I don't get it. Yes he was more quippy than he was in SM-2 but not to the point that it felt like a detraction. Ock was not without his humor in SM-2 - "Butterfingers", "You have a train to catch", "Oh she'll be just fine. Lets talk" etc. Yes they MCU'ed it up to more quippy levels but it didn't feel like he was out of character, IMO.

I was expecting Lizard and Sandman to be basically action devices given how we have seen nothing from Ifans and Church. Didn't make it any better that they were treated that way, but it was expected.

 

[antsman41]

While I have some Strange related nitpicks… my only Spider-Men nitpick is the naming of the Peter Bros. - they should have been numbered by their debut order. Even though I understand why they did it, being this is Tom’s trilogy.

Tobey 1
Andrew 2
Tom 3

…even though the reluctant 3 joke with Andrew was a bit funny.

 

[ragingdemon155]

How else would he know that ?
Spiderman never said it literally know one in that movie said he did.

Him knowing his identity is the only way.

As for why he didn't know his race I have a possible explanation for that.

Remember when Gwen yelled "Peter" out loud ?

Electro was moving throughout the entire city with his energy so it stands to reason he could have heard that.

Max would already know who Gwen is by working at oscrop and probably obbessvely looking her up after that little elevator chat.
He would read to much into there interraction and wonder if she could be possibly available to date.

Than he would found at she was dating a kid from queens named Peter Parker.

He wouldn't know what he looks like because at that point in time he didn't know he was Spiderman so it didn't really matter.

He than puts to and to together when she yells out "Peter" at Spiderman after they have a long and intimate conversation ending with Spiderman webbing her to car for her one safety and acting like a married couple together.

It also explains why he has no reaction to Gwen helping Spiderman at the grid like Harry did when he first saw her.

Dude…I’m all for being optimistic but this is some next level type of optimism. You are reaching massively with this Electro in the grid hearing Gwen theory. Like the reach is so far that I was expecting you to put “lol” after your message.

It was a plot hole man. Not a big one to me or even one I had much of an issue with at all but let’s not reach as if they didn’t botch that.

 

[The Shape]

How else would he know that ?
Spiderman never said it literally know one in that movie said he did.

Him knowing his identity is the only way.

As for why he didn't know his race I have a possible explanation for that.

Remember when Gwen yelled "Peter" out loud ?

Electro was moving throughout the entire city with his energy so it stands to reason he could have heard that.

Max would already know who Gwen is by working at oscrop and probably obbessvely looking her up after that little elevator chat.
He would read to much into there interraction and wonder if she could be possibly available to date.

Than he would found at she was dating a kid from queens named Peter Parker.

He wouldn't know what he looks like because at that point in time he didn't know he was Spiderman so it didn't really matter.

He than puts to and to together when she yells out "Peter" at Spiderman after they have a long and intimate conversation ending with Spiderman webbing her to car for her one safety and acting like a married couple together.

It also explains why he has no reaction to Gwen helping Spiderman at the grid like Harry did when he first saw her.

I really don’t think the filmmakers thought about this as much as you just did in your post. LOL

 

[The Joker]

Only explanation I can think of is that Dehanns Harry Osborn told him Spidey's secret identity off screen when they teamed up.

EDIT: Just realised Harry on puts two and two together AFTER Peter defeats Electro at the power plant.

See I would buy that if he had called him Peter in their final showdown. But he never did.

 

[Hannibal75]

The difference is in those films, you see the crush build, you see it develop.

In the Raimi films, its established that they've grown up as neighbors, so that backstory is there. In TASM 1, Gwen and Peter at least have playful, back and forth dialogue that eventually blossoms into something else. That's the difference. Compare that to MCU MJ, where they don't meet until the lunch scene.

Homecoming has no trace of Peter ever even looking at MJ in that type of way. And he literally goes from that, to having a huge crush on her — before we as an audience even make sense of why he even likes her or why they even like each other. Its not convincing. And to reduce it to "the audience knows thats MJ, so they don't need to flesh out the writing" as the post I quoted implied is an excuse.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is just my two cents.

Yeah, one of my friends thought initially that MJ in Homecoming is a lesbian who just enjoys busting Peter's balls.

 

[Heretic]

The difference is in those films, you see the crush build, you see it develop.

In the Raimi films, its established that they've grown up as neighbors, so that backstory is there. In TASM 1, Gwen and Peter at least have playful, back and forth dialogue that eventually blossoms into something else. That's the difference. Compare that to MCU MJ, where they don't meet until the lunch scene.

Homecoming has no trace of Peter ever even looking at MJ in that type of way. And he literally goes from that, to having a huge crush on her — before we as an audience even make sense of why he even likes her or why they even like each other. Its not convincing. And to reduce it to "the audience knows thats MJ, so they don't need to flesh out the writing" as the post I quoted implied is an excuse.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is just my two cents.

As a red blooded heterosexual male, I do not require ANY explanation for why someone would be attracted to Zendaya. I get it.

 

[BMW 224]

The difference is in those films, you see the crush build, you see it develop.

In the Raimi films, its established that they've grown up as neighbors, so that backstory is there. In TASM 1, Gwen and Peter at least have playful, back and forth dialogue that eventually blossoms into something else. That's the difference. Compare that to MCU MJ, where they don't meet until the lunch scene.

Homecoming has no trace of Peter ever even looking at MJ in that type of way. And he literally goes from that, to having a huge crush on her — before we as an audience even make sense of why he even likes her or why they even like each other. Its not convincing. And to reduce it to "the audience knows thats MJ, so they don't need to flesh out the writing" as the post I quoted implied is an excuse.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is just my two cents.

I agree with everything you've said about Rami and Web but don't agree that Homecoming didn't do the same thing it did in my opinion but more low key.

Peter in all of his interactions with MJ in homecoming behaves with in direct contrast to the rest of his behavior In the film.

He gets insulted intergrated and teased but he doesn't even react hes quite and only gives expressions or hand gestures for the most part.

He's most of the time very talkative and the only time he acts this shy nervous or of balanced is when it concerns Liz and even there he's more not as unsocial as he is with MJ.

MJ literally straight up asked him what's he'd hiding and his expression almost seems like he wants to tell her before she claims she doesn't care and is kidding.

He has crush on Liz but he is also is as intrigued with MJ as she is with him.

 

[antsman41]

…Reddit noticed that the quote from NWH is also the game quote, on the gravestones.

 

[BMW 224]

My guy, how many Peters do you think live in New York? Come on. Stop clutching at straws.



All the other villains had seen Spidey's real face and knew exactly who he was through personal experience with him as Peter Parker. They made total sense to be there.



You're conjuring up theories about Electro hearing Gwen randomly shout Peter amid the chaos across the city that Electro was causing.



I'm not opposed to a far reaching theory but even that one is so thin its anorexic.

Only one Peter is shown to have personal connection to Gwen so it would match up with his research in my explanation.

And it's not random at all considering the fact that Electro wanted Spiderman to confront him at the power grid and fight so that he could get revenge leading him there with a trail of energy.

He would need to find Spiderman first in order to do that so in conjunction with my theory he finds him when he's having that conversation with Gwen.

 

[antsman41]

We’re not talking enough about Goblin Vs. Tom in the apartment… holy hell did Dafoe utterly kill it. Loved the WWF vibes, and the fun they had with the camera.

 

[The Joker]

Only one Peter is shown to have personal connection to Gwen so it would match up with his research in my explanation.

And it's not random at all considering the fact that Electro wanted Spiderman to confront him at the power grid and fight so that he could get revenge leading him there with a trail of energy.

He would need to find Spiderman first in order to do that so in conjunction with my theory he finds him when he's having that conversation with Gwen.

I can't get past your suggestion that Electro heard Gwen say that amid the sea of chaos the city was in at the time lol. Its such a silly nonsensical theory. I'm sorry but it is.

 

[BMW 224]

Dude…I’m all for being optimistic but this is some next level type of optimism. You are reaching massively with this Electro in the grid hearing Gwen theory. Like the reach is so far that I was expecting you to put “lol” after your message.

It was a plot hole man. Not a big one to me or even one I had much of an issue with at all but let’s not reach as if they didn’t botch that.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this was on purpose or what they had planned lol it's definitely a reach and a plot hole.

This is really just a fun though experiment and head canon.

We all know the real reason outside of the universe is because they wanted Jamie Foxx to come back too.

This is just my far fetched crackpot headcannon.

 

[cabel]

We’re not talking enough about Goblin Vs. Tom in the apartment… holy hell did Dafoe utterly kill it. Loved the WWF vibes, and the fun they had with the camera.

Brother had a spine buster to make Double A proud.

 

[BMW 224]

I can't get past your suggestion that Electro heard Gwen say that amid the sea of chaos the city was in at the time lol. Its such a silly nonsensical theory. I'm sorry but it is.

He could feel and hear everything that had electricity and his energy blast were all around both Peter and Gwen in that moment.

My explanation for the whole chaos thing is that Max was specifically looking for Spiderman to lead him to Grid with his energy trial it simply random chance that Peter was talking to Gwen when he did find him.

Also you don't have to apologize lol none of this is percent serious it's a completely insane "theory" and is more me having fun and coming up with a silly headcannon .