No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Gold Samurai]

Daredevil team up is inevitable. There's a reason why they introduced him in this.

But with Peter no longer being hunted down why would Murdock need to meet up with him?

Thats kinda an MCU thing though. Characters just know everything even though it doesn't make sense they would have this information. I noticed that in Wandervision too where characters just knew stuff they probably shouldn't know.

I've noticed that too. In "Hawkeye" there was a "Thanos was right" scribbled on the bathroom and then there's "Rodgers the Musical"

 

[Josh Ward]

So aunt May is dead?? Dead dead?

 

[RiXi]

Yes. She's gone.

Like I said yesterday, I'm confident now there's no Uncle Ben in the MCU. At least, not the way we're used to.

Tony Stark and May filled that role in Peter's life.

 

[Josh Ward]

Yes. She's gone.

Like I said yesterday, I'm confident now there's no Uncle Ben in the MCU. At least, not the way we're used to.

Tony Stark and May filled that role in Peter's life.

Christ almighty

 

[Detective Conan]

But with Peter no longer being hunted down why would Murdock need to meet up with him?

Daredevil and Spidey can always team up under the circumstances of both of them having a vested interest in trying to take down Kingpin and put an end to his illegal activities. Spider-Man and Daredevil both take on organized crime as well as supervillains so they’re interests would align in that sense. Matt wouldn’t remember Peter but he would know there is a Spider-Man. And would trust him to work with him.

Yes. She's gone.

Like I said yesterday, I'm confident now there's no Uncle Ben in the MCU. At least, not the way we're used to.

There’s definitely a Ben in the MCU. Peter alludes to him in both Civil War and Homecoming, and he does travel with his briefcase with his initials on it in Far From Home. One reason why he’s not directly name dropped in the MCU might be because it’s so painful for him to do so, and he probably has put away any family photos of him away as a means to avoid being reminded of what he’s lost.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think thats a stretch tbh. Uncle Ben isn't referenced because this version avoid referencing him. Heck even tony Stark was given a subtle reference. But uncle ben? no.

 

[BrianThompson]

Well, I watched it.

I have seen many non spoiler reviews before I watched it. Guys like The Cosmic Wonder and The Reel Rejects (who I both respect) hyped it up beyond hype meter and I was really excited. However, when The Cosmic Wonder said it's the best MCU movie to date and the best superhero movie of all time for him, something started feeling way off. But nonetheless, I waited to see for myself because I've had extremely high expectations for this movie ever since the first teaser trailer.

Unfortunately, the movie wasn't what I wanted it to be, what I hoped it to be. The movie is definitely not the best MCU movie to date, not by a long shot. The movie is nowhere near as good as Infinity War and Endgame. I have no idea what The Cosmic Wonder was thinking. He's out of his mind on that one, probably because of the cameos and nostalgia present in the movie. When it comes to the cameos, I got what I wanted and each one was great, but not amazing. When it comes to the nostalgia rushes, there were some, but not a lot and many of them were not all that special at all. In general, it wasn't as special as I thought it would be because of quite a few problems that the movie has.

The movie is way too short. That was the first red flag for me ever since I heard how long the movie was gonna be.The movie has the same problem the Eternals had - too many characters and none get much screen time. By the end, I felt like each of the villains was on screen for 5 minutes. That brings me to the second huge problem - pacing. The pacing is ridiculous actually. Way, way too rushed, insanely discordant in some places. The first 15 minutes of the movie happened so fast and we're jumping from scene to scene, from set to set, it feels beyond rushed and it doesn't feel organic at all. I think from the start of the movie and the point where Peter is public enemy no 1 and the most wanted criminal/terrorist on the planet to the point where all that is literally shrugged off and swept to the side takes 9 minutes and it all happens out of the blue. That's just insanity. Seeing Matt Murdock though was absolutely amazing.

The way Dr. Strange was handled in this movie was kinda horrible. He got ''outsmarted'' by Peter which was utter BS and he spent 90% of the movie off screen dangling in mirror dimension where he was trapped and left by Peter.

Ned is apparently a natural talent for magic and using the sling ring without any knowledge of how it actually works or anything. He's able to open stable portals mid running during chaotic stuff like getting chased by Lizard. Come on, man.

Seeing Tobey was amazing, but he gets so little screen time. He gets less screen time than Andrew and that was a horrible decision by the writers. Andrew's acting is great, but his Peter/Spider-Man sucks donkey balls. TASM movies suck donkey balls. They gave a longer ''catching-up'' scene to Andrew and Electro instead of Tobey and Doc Ock. Seeing Tobey and Doc Ock interact after the fight briefly was absolutely amazing and one of the top moments of the movie, yet it ended so briefly. It's like you get served with the best cake possible and then someone snatches it from your table as soon as you get one little bite. And they kept doing that throughout the movie in many instances. Either let it unfold organically during a reasonable time frame or don't show it at all. The way Tobey and Andrew get introduced in this movie is really janky too.

The ending tries to do The Butterfly Effect thing, but it doesn't really have that flair. Yeah it's kinda sad, but not that sad. The 2 pieces that were done really well were the Aunt May death scene and Tobey/Andrew/Tom first meeting / ''therapy session''. Great stuff there. Other than that, nothing really stands out, everything is too rushed and too bland. Fight scenes were fine, but they were also pretty short. I wish the Green Goblin vs Doc Ock fight was longer.

Also, I'm glad Tobey didn't die, but you're telling me he turned his back on the Green Goblin while standing 2 feet from him and the Green Goblin stabbed him, but not fatally? He didn't go for the head or the heart? Why? And how did neither Tobey or Tom sense Goblin's strike to begin with? Peter tingle not so tingly for either of them then? Kinda BS. But that scene did do one thing right even though indirectly and unwillingly, i'm sure - it showed how clueless and needless Andrew's Spider-Man is.

Ranking wise, this movie is the best MCU Spider-Man movie. However, MCU movies wise, for me, this movie is nowhere near the top 5, probably not even in the top 10 MCU movies so far. Off the top of my head, other than Infinity War and Endgame movies, The Winter Soldier, Civil War, the first Avengers, both Guardians movies, Ragnarok, Iron Man 1, all of those are much, much better movies and some of those have huge casts, yet they manage to let everyone shine and feel like they're in the movie for way longer than they actually are.

This movie was underwhelming to say the least. Really unfortunate. I have even higher hopes for Dr. Strange 2, but seeing this movie, I know what time it is. Dr. Strange 2 is probably gonna have all the same problems, especially with the pacing and it's gonna end up being worse than this movie. Unfortunately, whether like it or not, Infinity War/Endgame was the peak and the MCU up to that point should probably be treated as the true MCU and get detached from everything that comes after just like Star Wars 1-6. 7-9 is there, but it's like it isn't.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I am of the exact opposite opinion. It was amazing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The 3 spider-men charging into battle has gotta be the highlight right?

 

[javonstokess]

Soooo I'd give the movie a 8.5 out of 10. Entertaining as hell.

I'll say this: I didn't expect THAT ending. It's kind of a way to reboot it for another possible trilogy with a more mature tone.

I thought the movie was a great analogy for graduating from high school and becoming an adult. Peter kinda "put away his childish things" in this movie and became a man. May dying definitely wasn't expected. Tobey was a great "Old Man Spidey". It was nice to see all the Spider-Men maintain their different personalities.

My one "gripe" (and it's minor) is that I wish we got a proper Sinister Six. It's okay, I can live with a Furious Five Anyhow, all the villains were great with Norman being the best. Jamie was about 100x better as Electro in this one.

All and all, great movie. I wish I didn't know so much about this movie due to the interwebs and their spoiling, but I'm satisfied. I'm lowkey happy we aren't getting a Tom Holland-Spidey/Venom crossover.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But with Peter no longer being hunted down why would Murdock need to meet up with him?

I think with Spidey and DD now both firmly established as MCU NY heroes (and Peter's servered connection to the other non-NY heroes), them running into each other is inevitable.

 

[Herolee10]

If Strange's spell only works on the people currently on his Earth, does that mean Thor, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, and the Guardians would their knowledge of Peter's existence?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Just got out of the theater and loved it!

It was great to see "Prime" Peter really have to deal with some stone cold villains with no help from others (in the beginning). It really shows you how good the OG/Amazing Spidermans are in their own universes.

I'm glad that everyone from previous films got something, they all got a good scene dedicated to them.

All of the Spidermen interactions were A+ and couldn't ask for more when it came to their interactions or how they were depicted. They all went through similar thing and have clear divergences in their stories. Comparing web slingers was WONDERFUL, I was hoping it'd come up and when it did I was grinning ear to ear.

Peter having consequences for some very poor choices...I am glad that they went there and it wasnt all tied up in a pretty bow with nothing mattering. Losing Aunt May is heart wrenching and almost made me shed a tear, the scene was just so sad! I'll miss her from future films but her final movie was a good one and her delivering the "speech" to Peter was fantastic.

ONLY thing I wish was added to this film (or 2 things) was seeing OG/Amazing Peters back on their Earths and a final scene wrapping them up. Having OG go home to Mary Jane, Amazing Peter meeting his Mary Jane would've been a great way to wrap up their characters.

I was disappointed that Osbournes dont exist in the MCU, with them being so big in the Peter mythos, Id want to see them at least exist. But who knows..maybe they'll be introduced in the future.

All of the fallout from Peters identity is exactly what I expect when a hero like Spiderman is unmasked. Shows like Arrow just acted like "oh! these people are unmasked. Ok! back to our daily lives!"

If Strange's spell only works on the people currently on his Earth, does that mean Thor, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, and the Guardians would their knowledge of Peter's existence?

They should...it didnt undo past events or anything so if they arent in reach of the spell....they should. Nice get around to still having him be involved and called upon.

 

[Web-Head]

Wow wowowwow.

Most of you probably know I've been down on MCU Peter Parker, but they finally nailed it. I'm very excited for the future of this version of Spider-Man. I was worried they weren't going to put the genie back in the bottle but they did and that's when I knew they got it.

A little disappointed Charlie just had that small cameo but freaked out then and I thought he was going to go there with telling Happy he needed a good lawyer named Foggy.

But FINALLY getting Spider-Man to his roots is making me squeal inside.

Tobey and Andrew coming back was just as awesome as expected although I feel like Andrew got the shaft a little bit.

Tom finally getting the "With Great Power line..." awesome. Still not convinced this version became Spider-Man because of Uncle Ben though, but honestly that's a tiny thing for me now, especially after this one.

The first act was a little rough and I don't think they did that great of a job with these villains (which is somewhat fine since this movie really wasn't about that) but I hated what they did with Ock.

But overall very pleased and one I'll have to watch again soon.

Just feels good to be excited for the future and this version of my favorite character. Only nitpick is I feel like we won't see a new version of any of these villains so who does that leave us with? Venom, Scorpion...?

Oh, and that new suit he actually sewed? Beautiful.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

If Strange's spell only works on the people currently on his Earth, does that mean Thor, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury, and the Guardians would their knowledge of Peter's existence?

I understood it to be wider than earth - Across all known realities. Because wasn't the problem that EVERYONE who knows Peter Parker was busting into this universe?

If that's the case then the bigger question is... Has this impacted OTHER Peter Parkers?

 

[Web-Head]

I liked what they did with Tom Holland Spider-Man in this. I liked the ending and this movie made me care about him more.

Yep, very excited to see where they go with him from here. Feels like they're finally getting Peter Parker back to his roots and I couldn't be happier.

And I guess this movie finally confirms it. There is no uncle Ben in the MCU. And if there was, he was not that relevant to Peter's life. Maybe he even died before Peter started living with May.

Killing Aunt May is not something I'm loving. But I see the twist they wanted to go with.

Both Tony and May took the role of Ben. Tony taught Peter how to be Super. May taught him how to be a Hero.

Yeah I got that sense too. Seems like he would have mentioned something when Tobey and Andrew mentioned their uncle Ben if otherwise. Or at least show May and Ben buried next to each other.

Loved the movie. I thought there were some really nice emotional beats and the way the 2 older Spidey's helped Tom process his grief was really sweet. The Great Power beat was fantastic and I'm glad they avoided that line for the previous 2 films, just so that it felt REALLY earned in this moment.

Also kinda loved how sensitive and sweet all the Spider-Men were to each other? They were all so wholesome, I thought I was going to DIE haha.

I think the only two things I was slightly disappointed with were:

• I was definitely expecting Mysterio to show up at the end, and give Peter a chance to redeem himself. I mean they had 5 villains already, it was SO close to the Sinister Six. And the whole moral was about redeeming the villains that died, and Beck was that for Holland's Spidey. It might have bloated the film, I know, but still expected it.
• Kinda was hoping we'd see more of a permanent change to the MCU instead of Strange putting everything back to normal. Stuff like teasing Venom coming over etc felt kind of for nothing if it all goes back to normal? I still enjoyed it but sort of was looking forward to a more dramatic shift of the MCU.

But overall, loved it. Can't wait to see it again and so excited that we basically finish the movie with an adult, grown up Spidey. Living in NY, paying rent, needing a job, all of that. Very excited for where the character can go next. I kinda of get peoples frustration with the memory wipe but TBH it excites me. Let Spidey be Spidey for a little while, and spend time in NY. I want to see him forge new friendships with Daredevil, meet Black Cat. That excites me more and temporarily breaking ties with the other heroes is a great way to do that in the short term.

Spider-Man going back to his roots is what excites me. I was worried they weren't going to put the genie back into the bottle but they did.

I LOVED the new Spidey suit in the final scene. It looked like the most comic authentic suit yet and LOOOOOOOVE the idea that Peter was inspired by his Alt universe selves. Wish we could see a better, clearer look of the suit.

Yes! Looked so good and he actually sewed it himself which adds to it. I need a good clean look at that suit ASAP

 

[GuestStar2004]

What? the other spider-men will forget that spider-man is Peter Parker?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Just feels good to be excited for the future and this version of my favorite character. Only nitpick is I feel like we won't see a new version of any of these villains so who does that leave us with? Venom, Scorpion...?

Black Cat. Hobglobin. Kingpin.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tobey and Andrew coming back was just as awesome as expected although I feel like Andrew got the shaft a little bit.

I never got the sense he got the shaft. I was quite happy with his part. and i was quite happy by my audience's reaction to his part.

I think they really tried to create an equal dynamic between the 3.

 

[Web-Head]

Black Cat. Hobglobin. Kingpin.

Possibly Kraven too? I'm not sure they'll go the Hobgoblin route, especially after Ned's line in this film.

 

[javonstokess]

Guys, please stop. We've seen multiple hints of Ben and May referenced him in Homecoming.

Uncle Ben existed in the MCU.

 

[samsnee]

I’m going to be in the minority here but while I enjoyed it, I didn’t love it.

Obviously great seeing all three Spider-Men together. They have great chemistry together and their banter was good. Garfield’s energy really worked here.

The action was also good. The mirror dimension fight as well as finale was really well shot. Seeing all three swing together never gets old.

The not so good for me was the story, the villains, and Strange.

The story was barely there and honestly made no sense. Everyone finds out he is Spider-Man and hates him because they think he killed Mysterio. But then Parker tries to go to school as normal? And then the solution is to use a magic spell.

Which leads me to Strange. They seemed to really nerf him here. And his concentration is so easily broken by someone interrupting him that it causes an inter dimensional rift. And then he makes everyone forget Peter Parker exists. How does that work? Not a single person knows he ever existed? Then how is he able to get a real job? Or get into college? He has no record of him ever existing?

Then comes the villains. So they all come from not only different dimensions. But also different times since Osborn and Lizard were already dead or rehabilitated by the time Ock and Electro came along. When they go back, doesn’t that screw up the timelines then? I liked all their performances but it was all based on nostalgia. They didn’t really offer anything interesting or new like Vulture did.

It was nice seeing Daredevil but completely pointless. And having Brock brought into the MCU just as an excuse to leave a bit of the symbiote was a complete waste.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Thinking about it...making everyone forget that Peter Parker ever existed was a bit extreme. I thought they'd just wipe everyones memories that he was Spiderman and basically just a nobody. How did he come up with this entire identity that has zero record of anything?

 

[GuestStar2004]

I do think it was abit extreme to do the memory wipe. I do wonder whether there was other factors towards that decision.

 

[Enriquespy]

Movie was great, lots of fan pleasing moments, but I'm a fan and therefore was intensely pleased.

I remember the cool animatronic goblins face for the first Raimi film, and thought that was the superior goblin face, when in fact, Dafoe's own face acting capacity is all we need, he was delightful.

Molina is great too, and our Peters were a joy to watch interacting together.

The film wasn't perfect but definitely very enjoyable.