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[MaxCarnage]

I quit right before Civil War. It's hard at first, but I sent my letter to Marvel and the issues stopped coming and eventually I just got my Spidey news right here.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

unfortunately the futre for spidey looks... crappy... Jokesada is basically pissing all over Spidey's continuity, the spidey fans, and for what reason?
Shock Value...(And possible hatred for Spidey) Why doesn't he make Daredevil an adrenaline junkie hellspawn that eats small children? Simple Jokesada hearts DD...
Leave the Spider marriage alone Jokesada

 

[Captivated]

WTF? mate. That was a bit freaking harsh. This just turned into a flame war. You're a proponent of Spidey 3, eh? Well how would you feel if the next movie the new director (presuming Raimi s gone) says "I didn't like SM3. In fact I don't like the whole trilogy. I find the Peter/MJ relationship...stifling, limits creativity" and because SM3 wasn't all it was cracked up to be he uses that as his excuse to use SM4 to erase the entire continuity of the first three movies. Peter doesn't remember proposing to MJ or being lovers, she doesn't remember he is Spidey (nor he that she found out) and Harry's back from the dead with the possibility of no recollection who Pete really is either. All so the love triangle can work and they make MJ a superhero on top of that to "spice it up."


I imagine you'd be pretty damn pissed about that.

Well as a fan of the comics, the character has been about growth (just as Parker grew in the movies with each film, only much moreso in the comics). He went from a 16-17 year old teen (depending whose writing) who is an introverted loser to a witty superhero that's a smartass, to an outgoing but still kind of socially oblivious college kid. He then became a struggling grad student, a drop out and finally a teacher. He grew up, and after running around town settled down with yes, MJ.

But that doesn't mean the story is over. There is more you can tell. But no...Marvel has spent 2/3 of the marriage *****ing or keeping them apart ("she's dead, no they're seperated...how do you feel about clones?"). When they left good writers to their devices (DeFalco, DeMatthis, Jenkins, etc.) it worked. Heck, even under JmS it worked.

Now we've been given a pile of **** for the last 4 years, and at least the last year of it was intentional so that we'd embrace Joey Q's BS theory that Spidey is better single. So he's getting a mindewipe so we can get the same BS stories we had 20 years ago and MJ is turned into a Black Cat knock-off so Peter is "hipper" again, but in permanent stagnation like Superman or the Simpsons...except we don't only read it for the jokes.

So there it is. But to soften a blow that Q knows will piss fans off, he's throwing in some new writers and artists who do good work. It's still shyte. Mark Millar and MicNervin (hwo you're wetting yourself over) are both very talented and Civil War still was crap, especially in the Spidey-department.

It is all shock value and publicity stunts so you wag your tail at the new solicitation promises (3X OMG OMG! CAN IT GET ANY BETTER?! I THINK NOT! AMAZING!!!) with no promises of story other than they will be shallow and have no depth but be mini-events every month x3.

But because of the names you're supposed to accept it, even though Joey Q intentionally spoon fed you **** for the last year so this would look like a good deal. In reality he stripped the character of his maturity, his depth, his personality (as this is not the peter Parker Stan Lee created in Civil War, BIB and especially OMD) and what makes him work to trade him in for a Charile Brown/Peter Pan characterization that loses any depth and is a shadow of its former self with the suspense "will he get together with MJ" or BC, Gwen or whoever else ridiculous because you already know the answer...No. It ages the character.

It's crap. And sometimes you just need to put the animal out of his misery. Just because it has a new cast (Slott) doesn't mean it is going to walk again. Sorry Marvel screwed the pooch on this one.



With that said how would y'all feel about an Amazing classic wording with a "no smoking" or Ghostbuster circle with a line through it avy? I think it'd be more creative.

THAT was brilliant.

The rant I might have written if I wasn't so busy...

Yeah... we need to work on a proper avy statement.

 

[Captivated]

Dan Slott writing. Some crazy talented artists. No more burden of continuity...

No more BURDEN of continuity!!?? Are you freaking SERIOUS?

Raimi has said he prefers Peter Parker to Spider-Man, and it shows: Peter's life and his relationship with MJ are central to the movies. Oppositely, the comics are all about throwing Spider-Man (not Peter) into new conflicts and stories. In the comics, Peter's life and his relationships are all consequences of whatever Spider-Man does. They're secondary.

Which is why, to me, getting rid of the marriage is not that big a deal - it's integral to Peter's character, but that's always secondary to what Spider-Man is doing.

No. That's not it at all. Geeze... perception and intuition isn't your strong suit is it?

But I guess I have to cut you some slack... Obviously your totally off-the-wall statements come from a VERY limited knowlege and understanding of the character.

And if that's who the character is to YOU... and you LIKE it? Well... then don't read Stan's run... or anything from the 70s or 80s... (not that you would "get it" even if it Stan Lee himself explained it to you.)

What is a big deal to me is that OMD is a giant waste of time. Spending three months to get rid of something so trivial with the king of plot devices is just stupid.

Yeah... I rest my case.

 

[Blader5489]

Oh Boy, have I got one here.
Go back and re-read my first post.

See 3rd paragraph- It EXPLICITLY states ‘IF this massive all consuming ret con does happen- sending Spidey comics decades back to when Harry and Gwen are still alive…’

I rest my case.
YOU ARE WRONG.
DEAL W/ IT.

Do you know how to read? The "if" is applying to "all consuming retcon." You're not saying "if this retcon spends Spidey back to when Harry and Gwen are alive," you're saying "if this retcon happens." And you're describing the retcon as including the return of Harry and Gwen.

You didn't do your research, you were wrong. Get over it.

Yes everyone would like to see more self contained issues, but that has noting to w/ the status quo or how continuity is adhered to. This ‘congestion’ you speak of has all been methodically planned out years in advance by JQ so that he can, in his mind, justify the pathetic cop out of erasing the marriage.

As far as I know, it's only been planned since 2006. And even so, I've already said that it's a colossal waste of time just to spend the last year on getting rid of the marriage.

Because if the marriage never happened, or PP and MJ forget it, then it will effectively render a huge portion of the event’s of Spidey comics from the last 20 years worthless.

The retcon isn't erasing the marriage from existence, it's erasing the marriage from memory.

You really don't get it, do you?

YOU REALLY don't get the character?

The comics are more action driven given the medium, yes. But why Spidey has always stood out is that Stan preferred spending time on Peter Parker than Spidey. The villains are great as he has arguably the best rogue gallery in comics (Batman fans will have a bone to pick with that staement).

But it is the Peter Parker who went from high school through college, who went from single loser, to a man ****e (sorry he kinda' was in the mid '80s ) to a married man who was comfortable in life. The next step is just telling the marriage aspect of his life. Possibly children.

But Marvel has refused to do that.

The character has never been simply putting his alter ego in the background like say Superman or Batman. His supporting cast his intergal to the character. And his progression is what made him stand out.

The movies got this. Sure they made mJ some MJ/Gwen hybrid and cut Gwen, BC, Flash, Liz, Shashan and so forth out. But the idea was the same. The thing that makes Spider-Man a great character besides being the first superhero that is just a smartass and not an authority figure is his struggles through life as the everyman into adulthood. And by ASM #200 he did grow up and the stories evolved with that.

MJ has become intergal to his character. It is why she is so important in the Sam Raimi movies. The MJ in the comics is just a much better character. Her relationship with Peter has become a defining aspect of the books. And to not only remove it but say the last 20 years are inconsequential

is a RAPING of the character that Stan created. Spidey has always been changing. He got new jobs, better jobs, lost them, new friends, lost friends. But he moved forward. So did his supporting cast and some of them reached climactic and beautiful conclusions like Harry Osborn which was played on heavily to the "boring secondary stuff" of Peter Parker, Gwen Stacy AND MARY JANE WATSON and the sins of their youth coming back to haunt them. It was interesting enough that it played out (in inferior storytelling) in SM3.

Kraven's Last Hunt is brilliant because of how it affected the newlyweds and strained the marriage so much, with MJ still unpacking when Peter goes missing for weeks and Kraven goes around as a killer Spidey in the media.

And now these stories NEVER HAPPENED. That is what Marvel is doing.

It is insulting. Peter in stagnation is boring, they tried it in the reboot when they "killed MJ" and it sucked and everyone KNOWS that it sucked.

What you have here is not erasing a minor plot point of the character, but a defining aspect. And it has been planned since before Civil War.

Wow. That's really great and all, but you could do me a favor? The next time you decide to fly off the handle and rant at me, could you actually read my post? Thanks, that would be great.

Why do these suck so much??? So that when the **** storm ends, Joey Q has successfully done what he has wanted to do the last decade...end the Spider-Marriage. But he made the year leading up it to it so ****ty and poorly written that when he hires some good writers and artists to write a few fluff pieces for hte next year or two, you'll think you're stock is going up in the world.

It's not. It's a marketing scam no different than getting people to buy Civil War by having Spidey unmask himself. It is a publicity stunt with no merit and you are wlaking into it with blinders on. "Ooooh pretty art and new packaging, a new writer. Me likey," when it is the threshold of crappy storylines. You just won't realize it until you get bored with them. Which honestly shouldn't take too long....

Presumptuous much?

Since when did it become a crime to become interested in something because of the talent involved? I hardly know anything about BND's stories, but knowing who Dan Slott is and being a fan of his work, I think I'm entitled to anticipate BND - even if it's for the fact that Slott is writing it.

 

[Blader5489]

No more BURDEN of continuity!!?? Are you freaking SERIOUS?



No. That's not it at all. Geeze... perception and intuition isn't your strong suit is it?

But I guess I have to cut you some slack... Obviously your totally off-the-wall statements come from a VERY limited knowlege and understanding of the character.

And if that's who the character is to YOU... and you LIKE it? Well... then don't read Stan's run... or anything from the 70s or 80s... (not that you would "get it" even if it Stan Lee himself explained it to you.)

Yeah... I rest my case.

Ugh. That was an extremely painful read. Please don't respond to me if you're not going to be remotely mature or sensible about it.

 

[DACrowe]

Wow, Blade I've lost a lot of respect for you. Not because you disagree with me (which is fine), but because you come in here calling people idiots and pathetic and declare your opinion like a God given fact and when people argue with you and point out gaping holes in your logic, you say they are flying off the handle and completely refuse to respond to their valid points of criticism and instead mock them for either lacking maturity or not reading their post.

I read your previous post and responded (and attempted to obliterate) every point you have.

It comes down to you like the pack of **** you are being fed with new artists. It's still the same **** of bad shock events for flash in the pan boost in sales that Quesada has been doing for the last 3 years (since The Other, anyway). I mean just because it is a new general, doesn't mean the same ****ty war that has reached an all time low is getting a reset button (a timely comparison?). Sometimes the **** is just too deep.


Blade let me ask you something....how old are you? You've pulled the "maturity" card about 3 times now in one thread and I see you registered in May 2007 and judging by your persuasive argument posts and your general lack of knowledge of Spidey comics (seemingly spanning about as far as Civil War) I'd say you liked the Spidey movies, read a few comics in the last year, and like most tfans saw Dan Slott was the best of them.

I mean to be so shallow about "just hte marriage" and unburdening continuity strikes me as someone who really doesn't know a whole lot about what makes a good Spidey comic and why the '60s through early '90s were so much better than things have been...ever since. But even if it is just the movies that got you in, which is fair ('90s cartoon got me), you should still be appalled. Because Sam Raimi also dwells mostly on Parker's struggles, growths triumphs and ever maturing relationship with MJ. ****, the last scene of SM3 actually felt like their first shot at a real adult relationship.

And it wouldn't bug you if they mindwiped her and borught Harry back from the dead as the stories are "more interesting when she doesn't know?"

Really?

 

[Dangerous]

You can't really say he doesn't get it.

I think it’s pretty damn evident he does not get the first thing about Spidey after reading this-

Oppositely, the comics are all about throwing Spider-Man (not Peter) into new conflicts and stories. In the comics, Peter's life and his relationships are all consequences of whatever Spider-Man does. They're secondary.

..and to think he had the balls to mock my ‘lack of knowledge’, real joker.

The "if" is applying to "all consuming retcon." You're not saying "if this retcon spends Spidey back to when Harry and Gwen are alive," you're saying "if this retcon happens." And you're describing the retcon as including the return of Harry and Gwen.

You didn't do your research, you were wrong. Get over it.

From my first post-
‘If this massive all consuming ret con does happen- sending Spidey comics decades back to when Harry and Gwen are still alive..’

That being the worst case scenario. The second worst- the marriage getting erased. Either way both options are deeply unappealing and deal breakers for me. Hence I suggested we create a universal avatar to voice our disgust. That is the gist of the thread.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, do you have learning difficulties?

I did not say ‘when’ this happens I said ‘if’ and mentioned the worst case scenario. Do you know what IF means? Fact is erasing the marriage is also a huge piss take for the fans. The ‘repulsive’ status quo I talked about in the first paragraph of my first post in this thread- denotes any one of a few options. Harry and Gwen coming back being the worst.

I suggest instead of providing another immature emotional response, This time you actually think what these sentences mean and then you will understand that I was wrong about nothing. You interpreted my statements to mean something different.

You were wrong.
Get over it.

As far as I know, it's only been planned since 2006. And even so, I've already said that it's a colossal waste of time just to spend the last year on getting rid of the marriage.

...I can’t even be assed replying to this.

Seriously,- you are a tool.
Read through the threads here to gain a better understanding of what has been going on since 2004, otherwise just crawl back into whatever hole you came from. You clearly don’t know much about Spidey comics and most posters here probably think you are a dick. Just being honest.

The ret con isn't erasing the marriage from existence, it's erasing the marriage from memory.

In effect the same thing, thus rendering it’s existence in the past 20 years worth of comics void. Void just like the validity of those comics.

 

[Dangerous]

delete.

 

[dan1]

Dangerous, how do I use a bigger than 50x50 Pixel avatar?

 

[Dangerous]

Erm.. it comes down to post count.
I think once you have certain number (best ask SHH tech forum) you can display the 75x75 and so on.

I just edited all 3 so they say I quit, instead of just quit.
It's still clear on the 50x50.

I'm going to foolishly pay for the rest of OMD until I drop the book.

 

[dan1]

Avatar edit-

I think this works best.

Thanks Dangerous, bump.

 

[Dangerous]

Hmm, they were Fireworks files edited in Photoshop, ..means they come out less sharp when you load em up.

These are edited in the right program and are a tad clearer if you care.

 

[Blader5489]

I read your previous post and responded (and attempted to obliterate) every point you have.

No, you didn't. You're lecturing me on the importance of Peter's growth as a character when I already acknowledged how integral Peter's growth is. You were lecturing me on how Raimi makes Peter and his relationships the central aspects of the movies despite the fact that I ALREADY SAID THAT.

Let me be clear: Spider-Man is not an interesting character without Peter Parker. But the comics, especially in the last 20 years, have always made Peter's life a consequence of him being Spider-Man. Need some examples? Peter's college graduation, Aunt May dying from a blood transfusion, Venom, the Clone Saga, and (most recently), Back in Black. In all of these stories, Peter's life is a consequence of Spider-Man's life. Bad things happen to Peter because of the things that happen to Spider-Man.

So in that regard, Peter is the secondary character to Spider-Man. He is the consequence of Spider-Man's actions. Thus, Spider-Man is the primary character: every new issue throws Spidey into a new situation, and then Peter suffers from it as a result.

And as for the marriage, I never considered it that big of a deal. Yes, getting married is the next step in Peter's growth as a character (which is why I want to see it in SM4), but it was never that big of a deal to me. It was never the launching pad for new Spider-Man stories.

Also, I'm getting really tired of being labeled as a tool of Quesada. Just because I don't consider the marriage a big deal doesn't mean I support OMD. I've already said, at least twice, that I think OMD is a colossal waste of time and a cheat. To spend nearly two years just to get rid of Peter's marriage, and to do so with a "magical retcon," is stupid, plain and simple.

Like I said, I'm not excited for Brand New Day because of "OMG 3 issues a month!1" but because there's some new blood going into a stagnated comic. I love The Initiative, so Dan Slott writing Spidey has me interested in BND. Please explain how that makes me a sucker.

Blade let me ask you something....how old are you?

18

You've pulled the "maturity" card about 3 times now in one thread and I see you registered in May 2007 and judging by your persuasive argument posts and your general lack of knowledge of Spidey comics (seemingly spanning about as far as Civil War) I'd say you liked the Spidey movies, read a few comics in the last year, and like most tfans saw Dan Slott was the best of them.

Actually, I was hooked by the cartoon. Totally ate it up as a kid. TAS is what interested me in Spider-Man, and I've been reading the comics ever since (issues that were released both before and after the cartoon).To be honest though, I had a falling out with the comics during "The Gathering of Five" arc, so I missed things like the ASM relaunch and MJ's "death."

And it wouldn't bug you if they mindwiped her and borught Harry back from the dead as the stories are "more interesting when she doesn't know?"

Really?

When did I ever say that?

Just to be clear, I don't share Joe Q's belief in that a single Peter brings out a lot of new story possibilities. I don't see the benefit in having Peter single again, I also don't see the benefit in bringing back characters like Gwen and Harry as their significance largely came from their deaths (I don't know why that's even being discussed - nobody is coming back to life in OMD).

 

[Blader5489]

From my first post-
‘If this massive all consuming ret con does happen- sending Spidey comics decades back to when Harry and Gwen are still alive..’

That being the worst case scenario. The second worst- the marriage getting erased. Either way both options are deeply unappealing and deal breakers for me. Hence I suggested we create a universal avatar to voice our disgust. That is the gist of the thread.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, do you have learning difficulties?

I did not say ‘when’ this happens I said ‘if’ and mentioned the worst case scenario. Do you know what IF means? Fact is erasing the marriage is also a huge piss take for the fans. The ‘repulsive’ status quo I talked about in the first paragraph of my first post in this thread- denotes any one of a few options. Harry and Gwen coming back being the worst.

I suggest instead of providing another immature emotional response, This time you actually think what these sentences mean and then you will understand that I was wrong about nothing. You interpreted my statements to mean something different.

Where did you explicitly state that reversing Spidey comics by 20 years and reviving dead characters? All you did was "if this retcon happens" and then described said retcon. You never said it was a worst case scenario, and the fact that you continued to post about Gwen and Harry coming back tells me that you honestly believed OMD involved rolling back history.

I'm not a mind reader. If you intended to say that Gwen and Harry coming back was a worst case scenario, then your post(s) certainly don't reflect that.

You were wrong.
Get over it.

LOL. Very original.

...I can’t even be assed replying to this.

Then don't.

In effect the same thing, thus rendering it’s existence in the past 20 years worth of comics void. Void just like the validity of those comics.

How? How does erasing all memories of the marriage invalidate the last 20 years of comics? Eddie Brock still becomes Venom. Kraven still kills himself. Crapfests like Maximum Carnage, Clone Saga, and The Gathering of Five still occur. None of the events change, just the characters' perceptions of them.

What would invalidate the past two decades would be if all the history of the marriage was erased. That would screw up the last 20 years. But all that's happening here is that people are forgetting. Doesn't mean these things didn't happen, just that they aren't being remembered the same way they occurred.

 

[Dangerous]

Where did you explicitly state that reversing Spidey comics by 20 years and reviving dead characters? All you did was "if this retcon happens" and then described said retcon. You never said it was a worst case scenario, and the fact that you continued to post about Gwen and Harry coming back tells me that you honestly believed OMD involved rolling back history.

I'm not a mind reader. If you intended to say that Gwen and Harry coming back was a worst case scenario, then your post(s) certainly don't reflect that.

It don’t matter whether I considered that possibility the worst case scenario or not. Point is I initially said- ‘IF they come back..’ Damn how long is this going to take for you to understand?! I continued referring to that scenario as it being a possible option and how I would feel about it. At no point did I say it WAS going to happen. You don’t have to be a mind reader to accurately contextualize my sentences.

How? How does erasing all memories of the marriage invalidate the last 20 years of comics? Eddie Brock still becomes Venom. Kraven still kills himself. Crapfests like Maximum Carnage, Clone Saga, and The Gathering of Five still occur. None of the events change, just the characters' perceptions of them.

What would invalidate the past two decades would be if all the history of the marriage was erased. That would screw up the last 20 years. But all that's happening here is that people are forgetting. Doesn't mean these things didn't happen, just that they aren't being remembered the same way they occurred.

Even if all it comes down is a memory wipe, it still means that a cornerstone of the past 20 years worth of cannon is swept under the rug without a concern for the fans. If it is wiped from everyone’s memory- not only is it the most pathetic cop out ever and disrespect to the fans on JQ’s behalf, but there’s effectively no difference between that option and it actually being wiped for real.

To conclude- Since the marriage will have never happened we will be left w/ 20 years worth of Spidey comics that make no sense and our non cannon.
See= Void.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader5489: How? How does erasing all memories of the marriage invalidate the last 20 years of comics? Eddie Brock still becomes Venom. Kraven still kills himself. Crapfests like Maximum Carnage, Clone Saga, and The Gathering of Five still occur. None of the events change, just the characters' perceptions of them.

What would invalidate the past two decades would be if all the history of the marriage was erased. That would screw up the last 20 years. But all that's happening here is that people are forgetting. Doesn't mean these things didn't happen, just that they aren't being remembered the same way they occurred.

How to answer this....how to answer this.....

IF MJ and Pete were not married...all these things DO change and ARE invalidated. How can they not??

Just using ONE of your examples...Kraven's Last Hunt incorperated the marriage highly into it. MJ was worried about Pete. MJ runs into Kraven posing as Pete. MJ hates teh balck costume. MJ is strong, holding down the fort worrying about PEte and if he'lle ver return...etc....Half the emotional storyline involving husband and wife there suddenly never existed or did exist but now they just won't remember anything...!???!

Oy...I mean, Pete and MJ were intregal parts of all those storylines.

And even with just a simple mindwipe, without a timesweep or reality change...it means all that didn't matter much because their brains are now gonna be SO WIPED and fritzed that somehow they are never gonna click and realize their ENTIRE LIFES together and that they ARE married but can't remember that one point??? Far fetched and bologna.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

but the problem qbout erasing the marriage is that WE KNOW and HAVE PROOF OF IT'S EXISTANCE... Unless Jokesada and crew are going to delete every reference of the spider-marriage from the web, replace all of our comics where Peter and MJ are married and erase our memories, the retcon is another sad pathetic excuse to rape Spidey...

 

[Dangerous]

That too.

 

[farmernudie]

DOCOCK4MUGEN: but the problem qbout erasing the marriage is that WE KNOW and HAVE PROOF OF IT'S EXISTANCE... Unless Jokesada and crew are going to delete every reference of the spider-marriage from the web, replace all of our comics where Peter and MJ are married and erase our memories, the retcon is another sad pathetic excuse to rape Spidey...

Exactly.

I've said before in other threads...that JQ's statement: "That we'll just never mention the changes and how it was before" thing is silly beyond belief.

Because, as we've said, FANS WILL KNOW.

And #2.....All these millions of fans (sarcasm) who will want to pick up and read this particular book which now stars a single non married super-hero...is marvel suddenly gonna pull all back issues off the market....all TPB's...is Marvel NOT GONNA ENCOURAGE all nine (sarcasm) of their new single fans to not read back issues...IN FEAR THEY WILL FIND OUT THE HORRID TRUTH THAT MARVEL IS JUST NOT MENTIONING....?....That Pete and MJ were happily married for 20 years and now just can't remember or are time altered!!?!?!?

I mean, if I was one of the nine new single fans MArvel will earn in their Maximum MArriage arc here...and then i stumbled upon the secret non-mentionable-marriage in back issues...and then re-read how forced it was building up to getting rid of the marriage...i'd prolly drop spidey and find a new single superhero to idolize-if singleness is all that drew me to the character to begin with. That's fickle. Is that the "fan" MArvel DOES want????!

What about ALL of us fans that have been here with Spidey forever that don't require an agenda to like Spidey...???

Maybe they should make Pete Amish NEXT YEAR to try and pick up THOSE fans too....since you can alter anything you want for the sake of maybe picking up those fans. There are plenty of other SINGLE heroes out there people can read about...and i've never heard ANYONE complain that they WOULD collect spidey but the marriage was just holding them back.

 

[Dangerous]

Hmm, they were Fireworks files edited in Photoshop, ..means they come out less sharp when you load em up.

These are edited in the right program and are a tad clearer if you care.

Bump.

 

[DestinyMakerX]

I am really dreading Spidey's future...but I'm betting Dan Slott can come up with some good stories

Also, if Harry is back, does that mean Gwen is back too?

 

[shinlyle]

Bump.

Yeah, I just changed my avatar. I will return it to my lovely little girl when I get a new pic, but, until then, I'll let everyone know where I stand!

 

[Arcturus]

You know I haven't been keeping up with 616 Spider-Man comics for quite sometime, I didn't like the direction they were going so I stopped all together. I still buy past issues, and I've kept up with Ultimate Spider-Man, but thats beside the point. So forgive me for my ignorance, but is it safe to say that perhaps, Marvel is running out of steam with Spider-Man?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

From Sins Past, the Other, OMD, etc. Those are examples of bad storylines. Do I expect this to continue in the future? Maybe, but maybe not. I want Spidey to be put into the hands of a good writer. A writer that gives satisfying stories that most of us (if not all) enjoy. JMS was okay, but his stories started to go downhill. OMD is very bad and I think we will recover from it, but we are going to have to go through a new stage again.

The comics will never be the way the were in the 1960's, 1970's, etc. The comics in those years were very enjoyable and were fantastic, but if you look at how the comics are today, then you will see a big difference. Sure some stories aren't bad, but OMD is an example of what could happen if Spidey falls into the wrong hands.