Spidey's actual strength level?

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  1. Human Spidey Registered

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    I made a quick search, but nothing came up for Spidey.

    Anyways, according to most sources and Marvel's official website, Spiderman/ Peter Parker can lift roughly 10 tons, but under extreme circumstances (say when a loved one is in trouble) he can surpass that, it would seem several times. And with the recent "The Other" arc, what do you guys suppose his strength level is now? Spidey's actual strength, not how it is being enhanced by the Iron costume, but his actual strength.

    I believe his leg muscles have become much stronger and he can now leap a few stroies higher.

    Would you say the 15 ton mark or higher or lower?

    Thanks.
     
  2. AmaznSpider-Fan Gibbon's Worst Nightmare

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    In last year's Spider-man Marvel Guide it said he could now lift 15 tons, so perhaps even more now.



    The marvel guide came out before The Other, but I think it was when he got his organics as Orko said...
     
  3. Orko Is King Registered

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    Didn't his strength increase when he got the organics?:confused:
     
  4. ragingdemon155 Registered

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    This has always been up for debate.

    Spidey's strength level gets butchered on so many occasions it's ridiculous.

    Personally I've always stuck with the "Can lift 10 tons and under extreme conditions even a bit more". I try hard to ignore the advancements made during "The Other".

    Still though, with that kind of strength level...Spidey shouldn't even be phazed when guys like DD hit him.

    It's a shame how us readers can realize that bit of common sense but the writers still can't.
     
  5. I have read this "the other."
    in fact i stopped reading and collecting at the end of sins past. i was hoping that it would turn out to be untrue.
    when it didnt, i got rid of my collection.

    anyway, way back in Amazing Spider-man #1 vol.1 The Fantastic Four (Reed i believe) said that he was very strong and that as he gets older he will get stronger. I really never saw him as much stronger than when he first appeared, a little bit yes. But not a lot. The only thing that jms did ??right?? was increase his power level.
    I believe Spidey's powers were best described in Spider-Man #24 - the anniversary issue, green cover with holo-foil image. it explains that he doenst need to see in the dark. and that his spider-sense is always on, and can sense different levels of danger, even making him react without knowing what's happening.

    I am in no way condoning anything jms does or says.
     
  6. not_a_victim Registered

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    You want to talk about common sense, yet you make a non-sensical statements in your post.
    Physical strength has nothing to do with whether or not a character can take physical pain.
    You statement about DD's punch affecting Spidey is a non-sequitor ( I am proabably spelling that wrong). Just because Spidey is strong, it does not mean that he can take physical punishment and/or pain. They are two unrelated issues.
     
  7. D-day Registered

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    I was always led to believe that he could only lift 2 tons, and up to 3 in an emergency.

    :unishr:
     
  8. Human Spidey Registered

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    Thats probably how Ultimate version of Spiderman started out, but i think Ultimate Spidey can still lift about 5-6 tons, present day.
     
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    I'm sorry but were not talking about a human here though. It's not like Spidey is pressing 300 pounds or something. If that were the case then yes...I could agree that lifting would have nothing to do with durability.

    Spider-man is lifting 10 freaking tons. I'm sorry but combine that with the fact that he has enhanced durability and there's no way that DD should be able to faze him. There were times during the old Stan Lee days I believe when Spidey would ALLOW himself to get beat up by humans just so he could catch his breath.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that superstrength goes hand in hand with durabilty in the world of comics.
     
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    All of you are pretty much right. First of all I have to agree that Spidey's physical strength has been butchered on many occasions. Those people working over at Marvel really have some continuity issues, i've seen Spidey's strength level fluctuate/mis-printed on more than a few occasions. One example, look at the Marvel Universe Cards series 2 and 3. Spidey's power levels are not identical.

    But I think indeed that the overall consensus is that Spidey can lift up to 10 tons and has been known to display even greater strength in extreme circumstances. I've seen that printed more than anything else (in cards, comics, guides) and generally just roll with that bit of info.

    And yes indeed, Spidey gained more strength along with the organics from that "Spidey turning into a giant spider.......AGAIN" storyline. I too also remember that Marvel Spiderman guide also printing that Spidey can lift 15 tons.

    I'm assuming that is the "official" information on Spidey's new found strength, since the comics never really gave indept detail to exactly how much stronger Spidey had gotten.
     
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    Marvel 2005 guide states that Spider-Man can lift 15 tons. Wizard magazine (which I wouldn't count on as an official listing) states Ultimate Spider-Man as lifting 2 tons, but he's still a growing boy blah, blah, blah.

    No one knows for sure what changes the Other story arc had on Spider-Man's strength. All we know is that he's faster, sees in the dark, feels vibration, and...oh yeah, stingers. Marvel may decide not to increase his strength, or even lower it. If they do increase it, I can't see him being any stronger than 20 tons.

    Whatever they decide, the character is definitely in need of some stability with his powers and history. It is possible to write interesting stories without
    1) Spider-man dying or
    2) Spider-Man going through some mutation
    3) Spider-Man getting beaten nearly
    4) Spider-Man giving up the super hero business
     
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    In one issue i'seen him supporting a building that had to weight over 30 tons. I know its not lifting but still buldings are heavy..
     
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    The truth be told, Spider-man should not be affected by the physical attacks of normal humans. You say that pain and stregnth have no corrolation(sp?), yet if a six year old punches me, I'm not hurt and I certainly don't get knocked down. And if I punch a body builder, with all of my stregnth I think that, as strong as I may be, they're only going to get pissed.

    So why would someone who can't even lift a car have enough force behind their punch to even hurt someone who can launch said car with just their finger?


    The reason that we keep seeing inconsistancies is that Daredevil and people like that have a large fan base, and Marvel would rather make everyone happy by bringing down spidey's powers a little, than to piss off one whole set by having Daredevil get sent to the hospital. (I realize this reason doesn't make sense either, because Marvel has pissed off fans on numerous occasions. So I don't know now...)

    Also, I guess, there would be no drama if no one could be of any danger.


    In spider-man's truest form it would take a whole lot to stop him. A lot more than what is presented in some comics. If you consider every instance of his peak powers. His highest jump, his greatest feat of physical stregnth, his fastest time, his quickest dodge, his perfected senses.....
     
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    I couldn't have said it better.

    Great post.
     
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    I tend to agree with a couple of opinions on this board.
    First of all spidey is really strong (at his absolute peak I believe 20 tons is the limit) but he is not that big. He is 5'10 175 pounds. I know a couple of human being that can knock down a man of that size (I am sure DareDevil can do it too-that is who you guys are refering to right). If he catches spidey in a position where that is feasable I can see him doing that. Know problems there. :spidey:
     
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    How exactly would he catch Spidey?

    Comic writers tend to make it a "fair fight" when they go toe to toe simply for the fact that it would be boring to see Spidey throw him around like a ragdoll. But if you look at there abilities...there's no way that DD could even hurt Spider-man.
     
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    Exactly. But also consider this:

    Fighters like Daredevil or Elektra, they look for points of weakness to attack. They look for the opponent to loose balance or step into a position where the opponent will loose balance. They look for points on the body that are unguarded and would hurt.

    Now with normal people, a man around 145lbs could probablly take down a man around 180 maybe even 200 using these skills. It's possible.

    But what happens whene you're facing a guy who will pretty much NEVER loose balance? A guy who is fast enough to dodge lightning or dodge bullets after they've been fired. A guy who can do that can dodge a fist or a kick. He could dodge a cute little cane or bo staff or Elektra's sai.


    In a real fight, DD would have NO chance at all. Even if his hits were to somehow connect, the force behind it is not enough to harm Spider-man who has increased durability and such. Also with spider-man's healing ability (an ability he always had, but is often forgotten), he would recover from a physical attack probablly two times maybe three times faster than normal people.

    So if I get punched, and take 15 seconds to recover....He'd take 5. One's ability to heal begins with any form of pain or attack, not simply something severe. Even a slap in the face would be recovering faster than a normal persons.
     
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    I like this entry as a definitive listing of his abilities - the explanations of increased elasticity to tendons and fortifying of muscles and cartilage etc in bios is always a nice touch for durability. If a normal guy had superstrength but no increase in durabilty of his other tissues, then his bones would break under the pressure and his skin would eventually rip under the strain of larger diameter or increased numbers of muscle fibres. Though annoyingly, there isnt a mention of his strength level as (as it states) it is depicted differently from writer to writer. Best bet is to stick at the 10 tonnes with no effort, and 15 with supreme effort - this allows us a 5 tonne margin for when he has to really plant his feet, or wind up a punch, or get good leverage on lifting something without having to beg god for the strength to lift whatever it is (which'd be the 15 tonner).

    For a scientific explanation of how it might be possible for durability to be attained without vast increases in mass, see the Science of the X-Men book where they say how rearrangement of the carbon atoms in his skin result in the organic steel. As in essence rearranging coal carbon with pressure makes diamonds. The energy of the radiation combined with the spider venom of the bite may have caused a widespread rearrangement of the lower/newer layers of spidey's skin, giving them a more "organic steel" like quality (though to a much lower degree than Piotr or Cage). When he sheds skin like we all do, the breakdown of the cells disrupts the rearrangement so it can slough off as weak as normal skin.

    Powers, abilities and equipment
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    Powers and abilities
    Peter Parker became Spider-Man when he was bitten by an irradiated spider, causing a variety of changes in his body which gave him his superpowers.

    Recently, the "The Other" storyline purported that Spider-Man's powers may be mystical in nature, and the story ended with Spider-Man gaining many new powers.

    In the original Lee-Ditko days, Spider-Man was established as having:

    The ability to cling to walls.
    Super-human strength.
    A sixth sense (dubbed "Spider-Sense") which alerted Spider-Man to danger.
    Incredible balance, agility and leaping abilities.
    After being bitten by the radioactive spider, Peter Parker created mechanical web-shooting devices, since the bite did not give him the ability to spin webs.

    Spider-Man's powers and equipment endured with very few changes for some 40 years, right up until recent times.

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    "Wall-Crawling"
    Spider-Man gained the ability to adhere to a surface using any part of his body - although if the surface is particularly greasy, he can't stick. His ability to stick to objects is strictly conscious though - i.e., he cannot stick to something by accident. In addition, if he chooses to not release himself from an object he is sticking to, nothing can remove him. His arms would rip off first or the wall would break before his hands let go. The same goes for any part of his body.

    Various attempts have been made to explain Spider-Man's wall crawling abilities in the comics including barbed hairs on the ends of his fingers (in the movies, at least), suction from his pores, adhesion to surfaces on the subatomic level, self-telekinesis, and a sort of bio-static electricity.

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    Enhanced physicality
    Spider-Man's strength has varied with the amount he can lift varying hugely depending on the writers, although he is most definitely superhuman, able to lift several tons under strain, while his leg muscles have developed to the point where he can easily jump several stories in a single bound. Spider-Man can move roughly 15 times faster than a regular human, and his practical reaction time is many times that of a normal human. Finally, his bodily tissues are substantially more durable and resistant to impact or trauma than an ordinary human, although he is certainly not invulnerable.

    In the Spider-Man: The Other storyline, after being fatally injured by Morlun, Spider-Man shed his skin and outer tissues. When he emerged from this dormant state, lost or damaged tissue (including a lost eye) was completely regenerated. The full consequences of this regeneration have yet to be explored, although he also developed new powers including retractable bone stingers that protrude from his wrists (which he has not yet developed control over), enhanced speed, and his spider-sense was heightened, allowing him to see in the dark and sense vibrations transmitted over his web-lines.

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    Spider-sense
    Spider-Man's most subtle power is his spider-sense. A form of clairvoyance or sixth sense, it unconsciously activates and alerts him to any threat to himself, manifesting as a tingling at the back of his skull. While it cannot tell him of the exact nature of the threat, it is vaguely directional and Spider-Man can judge the severity of the threat by the intensity of the tingling.

    The spider-sense not only alerts Spider-Man to threats to his physical safety, but also warns him to threats to his privacy such as being observed while changing identities. Spider-Man also uses the spider-sense as a means to time his evasive maneuvers to the point where he can avoid multiple gunshots or machine gun fire.

    The exact nature of the spider-sense took many years for writers to nail down. In the early days, it could be used to locate objects and people, as well as detecting danger. Later, it reacted only to enemies, not friends, even if said friends were about to attack Spider-Man (as in a memorable issue where Aunt May hit Spider-Man over the head with a vase). Eventually, it was firmly established that the spider-sense reacts to any and all potential dangers facing Spider-Man. Often, he ignores the Spider-sense, which usually costs him in some way.

    As of the Spider-Man: The Other storyline, Spider-Man has honed this sense to allow him to have 360° vision. He can also now see in the dark and sense vibrations in his web-lines.

    In comics, the activation of the spider-sense is often shown by wavy lines emanating from Peter's head, with a symbolic image of his mask occasionally being half-drawn over his face when he is out of costume as an additional cue.

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    Beating the spider-sense
    Although his spider-sense has saved his life innumerable times, Spider-Man has learned the hard way that it can be beaten. For instance, the Green Goblin once secretly attacked him with a gas that temporarily suppressed this perceptive ability, allowing the supervillain to shadow him and learn his secret identity. Additionally, the alien symbiote of Venom and its offspring Carnage are not recognized by the spider-sense. This is believed to have been caused by the Venom symbiote's bonding with Peter Parker. Ben Reilly did not suffer from this problem as he never bonded with the symbiote, and was cloned from a cell that was taken before Peter wore the symbiote suit. The ability to avoid Parker's spider-sense gives some supervillains an edge that Spider-Man often has trouble countering.

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    Stingers
    Recently, in the controversial The Other: Evolve or Die storyline, Peter developed long, bone-like "stingers" that protrude from under his wrists (one on each arm), which pop out against his will when he is shocked, and are coated in a venom which paralyzes the victim for several hours. He considers it "Logan envy."

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    Scientific abilities
    Apart from his physical abilities, Peter has prodigious aptitude in the physical sciences. In the comics, he has a facility for chemistry and physics, and later pursues a graduate degree in biochemistry from Empire State University. In the recent films, he maintains a superb intellect with a mastery of physics and a degree from Columbia University, although a controversial aspect of the films is director Sam Raimi's decision that the film version of Peter Parker wouldn't be smart enough to design and build mechanical web-shooters (hence the organic web-shooters of the movies).

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    Equipment
    Although he is usually of limited financial means, Spider-Man has developed personal equipment that plays an important role in his superhero career. Every so often, he will concoct a special armor or web fluid for a specific threat. For example, he donned a padded suit to battle Electro, and used a very short-lived armored suit in Web of Spider-Man #100.

    Recently, Spider-Man has received a controversial new suit of armor from Tony Stark that was custom built to enhance his abilities. Supported by a system similar to that of Stark's classic 'Iron Man' design, it features many gadgets, including three mechanical spider-arms to allow him to see around corners (via cameras in the tips) and manipulate objects indirectly - though they are too delicate to use in combat. Other features include, but are not limited to: gliding for short distances, limited bullet-proofing, built in fire, police, and emergency scanner, audio and visual amplification including infrared and ultra-violet, carbon filters in the mouth area to keep out toxins, and a short range GPS microwave communication system. All of these are routed through a computerized control system in the chestpiece. It can also "more or less disappear" when not needed, as it responds to neurochemical pulses. The new costume was also able to conform to other styles Spidey had affected over the years, and even has the ability to camouflage into a variety of backgrounds...the darker the better.

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    Web-shooters
    Spider-Man's web-shooters are one of the character's most distinguishing traits. They are wrist mounted devices that fire a fibrous adhesive very similar to the material spiders use to construct webs. The trigger rests high in the palm and requires a double tapping from the middle and ring fingers to activate, so Peter can't accidentally fire the shooter if he makes a fist or his hand hits the trigger. The placement of the trigger and the finger pressure needed to activate it yield Spider-Man's distinctive hand gesture, with the two outer fingers extended, and the two inner fingers on the palm.

    The default setting has the adhesive threaded through a special mesh to take on a spider web like design. The substance dries almost immediately into a strong material that can support very heavy loads. Typical uses of his webs include creating long swing lines which he uses to travel through the chasms between the Manhattan high-rises. The substance is formulated to dissolve after one hour which is generally sufficient time for Spider-Man's needs while ensuring the webs he makes do not cause undue litter. In addition, Parker can modify the fluid formulation to suit particular specialized needs when called for (this explains why the webbing sometimes conducts electricity, but can also be used as an insulator). The web-shooters can also be used to expel other liquids, using interchangeable cartridges, but are seldom used to do this.

    In the 90s Spider-Man animated TV series, Peter Parker explained that when he became Spider-Man he also became subconsciously aware that a combination of certain enzymes would create a strong, sticky fluid, reminiscent of a spider's webbing. In some versions of the character (such as in the popular movie series), the character generates webs organically from his own altered spider-like biology, instead of mechanical web shooters (a change that has recently been introduced into the comic books).

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    Spider tracers
    Spider-Man has also developed small electronic "spider-tracers" which allow him to track objects or individuals. The outer casing is shaped like a spider and is designed to cling to a target without attracting attention. While he originally threw his tracers at a target in the hopes that at least one hits, he later developed a wrist launcher which ejects tracers above the wrist while the web is fired from below to allow for more precise and reliable applications of the tracers.

    Spider-Man originally used a small receiver device to follow the tracers. However, he eventually learned that he could tune the tracer signal frequency to his own spider-sense for more convenient use, but the receiver is still used as a back-up and long-range measure.

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    Other equipment
    Spider-Man keeps his regular field equipment in a specially designed utility belt that contains his web fluid cartridges and his tracers. It also carries his camera, which has an extended rear metal plate that allows him to use his web to position it without interfering with its functions. Finally, the belt contains a strong light called a Spider Signal that creates an image of his mask when activated.

    In addition, the Human Torch once helped Spider-Man build a car called the Spider-Mobile which had a paint job and modifications that followed his spider motif. Unfortunately, Spider-Man had never learned to drive a car, and crashed the car into the Hudson River soon after receiving it. Later it was retrieved by the Tinkerer, who altered it, making it capable of driving itself, shooting webbing, and rolling on the walls with sticking tires. It was finally immobilized by Spider-Man and sent back to Corona Motors.
     
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    spideys as strong as he needs to be...

    a lot of people whine about him being tagged by smaller weaker humans yet they are happy to see him fighting the hulk and happily boasting that he could kill the hulk if he really wanted to, what trollocks.

    to even go up against someone who is at the very least 10 TIMES stronger than you is craziness, have you ever met someone 10 times stronger than you, would you even try against them?

    if anything i preferred spidey when he wasn't heavy hitting and could get tagged by humans. Spidey should only beat stronger foes by out witting them which he doesn't seem to be doing anymore and he's going for just brute tactics which isn't the spidey i know and love.
     
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    Its a shame there isnt anything like this for Spidey really: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geKjvg0rI9c&search=jlu superman

    The best we've had is in Ultimate Spider-Man he hit Ox as hard as he could while saying it was nice not to have to pull his punches for a change - cept Ox is just a big normal human... *sigh*
     
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    i hate that scene with a passion.
     
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    But thats the thing. Specifically speaking, DD could never ever hope to even touch spidey. Spidey has his spider-sense, his insane speed and agility, coupled with super strength. The only way DD is touching spidey is if its a conscious decision on spidey's part to allow himself to be tagged but as chineesefood said, al this BS is done is to keep a certain section of fans happy which is BS imo because right now marvel are doing everything in their power to completely ruin spider-man nd last time I checked, spidey has 1 hell of a huge fan base.
     
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    DD should only be able to touch spider-man if spidey wanted to.Super human reflexes,agility,(even more)speed and spider-sense.I won't even talk about the strength.Daredevil is totally outclassed here.:spidey:
     
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    That scene is pretty much how I feel about Spider-man. He usually has to hold back and it's just not in his fun loving personality to let loose. I mean come on now....he easily has one of the most dangerous combination of abilties in the Marvel universe and people always tend to overlook that.
     

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