Apocalypse Spoilers alert for the X-Men Apocalypse Spoilers Thread!

[Krak66]

I just realized they gave apocalypse dusts' powers controlling sand

Actually he controls all non-organic materials as Singer said in his interview

 

[Krak66]

Opening sequence and original Horsemen Loved it.

Actually I would like to see more scenes with them, how they conquer or destroy cities and people

 

[Drab87]

How about everyone see it and make your own decision on if you like it or not? And news flash people are allowed to like what they like. I actually like The Last Stand, it has it flaws but I like it. And I can't stand JLaw as "Raven" because she has never been Mystique. She ruined the character for me. I love Rebecca as Mystique. That's my opinion. I don't get why people get so worked up over others OPINIONS?

 

[The Infernal]

I don't get why this movie gets negative reviews. It's not perfect (I have a few significant gripes), but I found the movie a lot of fun. The Quicksilver scene alone is great.

It seems they are pushing a lot of material that's not even in the final cut.

I noticed that. I think the moment Pyslocke stabs at beasts foot and misses as the blade lands between his toes was cut.

 

[Mars123]

How about everyone see it and make your own decision on if you like it or not? And news flash people are allowed to like what they like. I actually like The Last Stand, it has it flaws but I like it. And I can't stand JLaw as "Raven" because she has never been Mystique. She ruined the character for me. I love Rebecca as Mystique. That's my opinion. I don't get why people get so worked up over others OPINIONS?

I actually kind of liked mystique in this one. Even though she spent most of her time as herself. She wasn't too in your face!! Plus I guess we will
Only now have the hero mystique

 

[Drab87]

I actually kind of liked mystique in this one. Even though she spent most of her time as herself. She wasn't too in your face!! Plus I guess we will
Only now have the hero mystique

That annoys me. But it is what it is.

 

[BeholdMe]

That would be great! Honestly though, as long as she returns I'm up for almost anything haha.

I want her to return as well and I think that would be a great role for her since we don't have Emma Frost at the moment.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Even though Magneto said Emma died we never saw her dying or on Trask files. She could have faked her death and still be alive.

What's the deal with the actress? Why they don't hire her again to play Emma, she was great.

 

[BeholdMe]

Even though Magneto said Emma died we never saw her dying or on Trask files. She could have faked her death and still be alive.

What's the deal with the actress? Why they don't hire her again to play Emma, she was great.

I honestly don't know if it was JJ that was bad in the role or they just didn't give her much to stretch with, but she was a poor man excuse for Emma I wouldn't say she was great. If they can get Emma back in all for it but I just don't like Jones for the part.

 

[The Infernal]

I don't need yet another Emma Frost. Never got her appeal and I'd rather see other characters.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I don't need yet another Emma Frost. Never got her appeal and I'd rather see other characters.

She's a borderline top ten X-Man now a day's. Especially since 616 Jean's death she was the best telepath on the team besides Xavier.

 

[Illuminata]

It seems they are pushing a lot of material that's not even in the final cut.

Yes, I noticed too. It's incredibly bizarre but the FOX marketing team this year seems to out of whack. More than usual. The marketing for X-Men this year hs been really subpar.

 

[Herolee10]

So for those that saw this film, did you guys feel that Charles (Professor X) was robbed of the spotlight when it came to being the one to assemble/lead the X-Men (as Wolverine had wanted him to in DOFP) due to Mystique's involvement?

From what I've heard, it seems like Charles isn't even credited for the role that he played in saving the future by having convinced Raven to spare Trask.

 

[psylockolussus]

So for those that saw this film, did you guys feel that Charles (Professor X) was robbed of the spotlight when it came to being the one to assemble/lead the X-Men (as Wolverine had wanted him to in DOFP) due to Mystique's involvement?

Totally! Like...

Spoiler

He didn't even say a word to them in the danger room. It could have been a really good scene, like the music is good, the costumes are brand new - but God, Mystique ruined it and Professor X was just there looking at them saying zero word which was very weird. And they didn't even give Beast a close-up shot of his face...

And they made it sound like they totally wanted to make the X-Men a long time ago and that in First Class, they called themselves the X-Men which didn't even happen in First Class, they didn't call themselves anything except for having some individual codenames.

 

[Herolee10]

So in other words, two films of development and buildup for Charles's arc is ruined by this one film?

 

[GuestStar2004]

So for those that saw this film, did you guys feel that Charles (Professor X) was robbed of the spotlight when it came to being the one to assemble/lead the X-Men (as Wolverine had wanted him to in DOFP) due to Mystique's involvement?

Looking at his role in the story... No

To use the word robbed makes it sound like a crime, he had a role in the story, resulted in him going bald, resulted in most of the events happening.

So no he certainly wasn't robbed of anything.

 

[iacobusleo]

So in other words, two films of development and buildup for Charles's arc is ruined by this one film?

More like this film does not do good job of bridging where Charles is at the start of the movie to where he is at the end.

He didn't want to raise child soldiers at the start of the movie. The idea of forming the X-Men to combat Apocalypse was completely Beast's and Mystique's.

That's fine if the movie shows us how exactly he got from 'naive idealist pacifist' to 'leader of a paramilitary group in his basement', but the writing is not strong enough to do that. There are hints of an arc, but it's not as tight as it could be. Him saying 'To me, my X-Men' would not solve this problem, and would in fact exacerbate it, considering we have no idea how he got to that point (beyond a throwaway line in the final scene about how there are tensions between humans and mutants again, if memory serves).

 

[Herolee10]

Looking at his role in the story... No

To use the word robbed makes it sound like a crime, he had a role in the story, resulted in him going bald, resulted in most of the events happening.

So no he certainly wasn't robbed of anything.

Well maybe it's how I've interpreted things, but I always assumed that based on his role/arc in the previous two films (FC & DOFP), Charles was being prepped to finally create/lead the X-Men as Wolverine had pleaded for him to do previously.

But it seems like Mystique assumes that role. Not to mention, that despite being the one to avert the disaster that the Cuban Missile crisis could have resulted in and having convinced Raven to change her ways (thus saving the future), he's given very little credit for it while Raven is portrayed as the savior/role model for Mutants.

 

[iacobusleo]

But it seems like Mystique assumes that role. Not to mention, that despite being the one to avert the disaster that the Cuban Missile crisis could have resulted in and having convinced Raven to change her ways (thus saving the future), he's given very little credit for it while Raven is portrayed as the savior/role model for Mutants.

I got the impression that Mystique is just the field combat teacher, like how Wolverine was in X-Men Evolution. The chain of command would still be Xavier - Mystique - Scott?

Xavier's powers could not be captured on camera, hence why it makes sense that Mystique would be the one to publicly be given credit. Could have been an interesting character bit, with Mystique struggling with being credit that she feels and knows she doesn't deserve. But again, writing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well maybe it's how I've interpreted things, but I always assumed that based on his role/arc in the previous two films (FC & DOFP), Charles was being prepped to finally create/lead the X-Men as Wolverine had pleaded for him to do previously.

Judging by how small details have been ignored in this trilogy that was more a tease for the next film which writi ended up changing, like havok only got involved because he took cyclops to the school and it's like saying isn't it a crime no one talked about Logan traveling back from the future? It's like it wasn't even a thing.

It was 10 years later, the world had changed, characters had gone different ways, it was pretty much something singer said he took from AOA, characters being opposites to the previous film they appeared In.

But it seems like Mystique assumes that role. Not to mention, that despite being the one to avert the disaster that the Cuban Missile crisis could have resulted in and having convinced Raven to change her ways (thus saving the future), he's given very little credit to it while Raven is portrayed as the savior/role model for Mutants.

I think you are just more bothed by Ravens attention in the movie, I mean really she didn't lead until the end and it was very brief, even in the big take down she wasn't telling everyone what to do, Charles probably got way more development in his father figure status encouraging Jean to Phoenix out and being the vessel apocalypse wanted then he would have taking the role mystique had in this movie, unless we changed we changed everything in story round which case a lot of it would indeed be very different to what we got but that Also includes a lot of the emotional beats

 

[DavidHaller]

My main question after seeing this extremely disappointing movie: Why was this movie so afraid to actually use the metaphorical socio-critical subtext of all Bryan Singer X-Men movies which came before 'X-Men Apocalypse' explicitly?

The movie could have been easily improved with elaborating explicitly on the horsemen’s motivations in my eyes. The motivation is actually even there but you have to read too much between the lines to understand the actual conflict of this movie:

Mystique is calling out Professor X for his white privilege position and naive worldview: The war between mutants and humans goes on in secret around the world and Xavier does not care or is capable to see this hate and injustice. This should have been the central conflict of the entire movie!!! It is indicated but never explicitly shown!

They should have integrate a montage scene where Xavier reads the minds of the horsemen and gets quick flashbacks of the discrimination and the hate these mutants experienced in their life as victims:

something along the line:

Angel: Being outcasts by his rich family after they encountered his mutation in his early teens. He lives on the streets as a punk and is kidnapped and held in a cage. Maybe have him respond to Nightcrawler in the end: "Why do you protect these humans after everything they did to us???"

Storm: Being called a mutie and given a beating for being a "freak“ by other streets kids in the past.
etc. etc.

Apocalypse is giving these marginalized outcasts now the chance to rise up and to take revenge on societies which disriminated and violeted them their entire lives! Maybe explain in the end that Apocalypse has the power to increase these emotions! It is not exactly mindcontrol but would given them a reason to snap out of it in the end when Apcoalypse is attacked/weakened by the X-Men.

These four mutants are given in to their hate and pain! (and Apocalypse is simply using them!) It would be of course the same conflict Mystique experienced in "Days of Future Past" but I think it would have been necessary to bring some depth and sense into this movie.

In a nutshell: The movie could have been a revenge fantasy for the marginalized and discriminated and question Xavier’s privileged position in society! (very polemic) but Professor X is basically Caitlyn Jenner who encounters poor transsexuals of color from the Global South in the course of this movie. Maybe after feeling all this pain from these discriminated mutants he would even struggle and question his own position in society for a moment: "What have I really done all these years helping mutants?" Apocalypse could have stepped in at this point and shows that he can actually block Xavier’s mutant powers...

For me this central conflict would have tremendously improve this movie. I am still in shock Singer directed this cgi mess without message! This movie is pure fan service BUT unfortunately without respecting the fanbase this movie series established over the years for being relevant (!) in contrast to other comic book/sci fi movie franchises! I think this is also where the critics hate (and my disappointment) is coming from...

p.s.

as a Jean Grey fan: hell yeah, Sophie Turner was fantastic! "She needs to be controlled" (X3) vs. "let it go" (X-Men: Apocalypse) was a very nice character moment for the entire series in my eyes.

 

[DavidHaller]

p.p.s. this movie franchise really needs a diversity debate!! (not paricularly a Marvel movie fan but) especially after seeing "Civil War" it really feels wrong and off to see how "non-white" characters like Psylocke and Storm are handled/sidelined/sexualized in a movie franchise that normally has a strong minority metaphor.

 

[GuestStar2004]

My main question after seeing this extremely disappointing movie: Why was this movie so afraid to actually use the metaphorical socio-critical subtext of all Bryan Singer X-Men movies which came before 'X-Men Apocalypse' explicitly?

Bryan was attempting to do something different with it, to balance out the idea of mutants being accepted with a deep underbelly of prejudice along with apocalypse and every character arc is alot

 

[terry78]

Someone compared Apocalypse to ISIS, and I can somewhat see the parallel, but you don't wanna start reaching either.

 

[henzINNIT]

Flawless post David. Huge problem, not something I'd really considered, but it would really add weight to the film to explore the Horsemen deeper. In particular, it would compensate for the lack humanity in Apocalypse. He's by far the least complicated villain in the series.