Superman Returns SR Sequel: $200 million or else!?

[GreenKToo]

I really,REALLY hope Singer and the W.B. understands now what 90% of the fans and the public wants...more action,brighter colors,briter feel to the film,and a supervillian...I supported S.R. not because of singer,but because its superman...BUT,if they screw up the sequel,I'll be in the crowd with my pitchfork and torch.

 

[ultimatefan]

Yeah, the only one still here is old carpy, but the rest of those dingleberries are long gone.



...Just like the fans who said that SR would make 300/D and up, I'm glad I wasn't one of them. t:

Yeah, I thought people were exaggerating expectations too. The same happened to Batman Begins, some people went nuts with their guesses about the gross.

 

[ultimatefan]

It seems fans are always gonna be divided on this movie...maybe moreso than any other super hero movie ever, I think. I agreed with the majority of the critics that SR was a wonderful homage and updating of the Richard Donner classic....but where I see "homage", many see uninspired rip-off. And where many see "morose," I see "thoughtful". To each his own I guess.

And I won't make a Ratner joke, because everyone has made better ones already.

Yeah, I think it´s gonna be one of those movies like Hulk or Batman Returns, that some fans love and others hate.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I think it´s gonna be one of those movies like Hulk or Batman Returns, that some fans love and others hate.

Well it seems to be like that already, but i think over the next few years people will come to appreciate SR more.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Superman Returns Hits $200 Million Mark
Source: Box Office Mojo
October 24, 2006


Warner Bros. Pictures president and COO Alan Horn was previously reported to have said that if Superman Returns hits the $200 million mark domestically, the studio would move ahead with a sequel. That day has come, as the Bryan Singer-directed summer movie finally passed the mark this weekend, earning $173,000 to bring its total to $200,006,305 after 117 days in release. The film has brought in about $190 million overseas for a worldwide total of $390 million.

Horn said back in August that he expected Superman Returns to eventually gross about $400 million worldwide, more than last year's hit Batman Begins. "I thought it was a very successful movie, but I think it should have done $500 million worldwide," Horn said then.

He and Singer have both mentioned a possible summer 2009 release for the sequel.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Lestat!

It seems fans are always gonna be divided on this movie...maybe moreso than any other super hero movie ever, I think. I agreed with the majority of the critics that SR was a wonderful homage and updating of the Richard Donner classic....but where I see "homage", many see uninspired rip-off.

I suppose its a grey line where homage ends and rip off begins, but the fact that he basically retrod the same plot even though this was meant to be in continuity to the first two Donner movies borders on unforgivable.

And where many see "morose," I see "thoughtful". To each his own I guess.

The movie was depressing when it should be upbeat, dark and muted when it should be bright and colourful, dour when it should be fun and boring when it should have been exciting.

Don't get me wrong, I can see what Singer was trying to do. By making Superman more human, with serious adult problems, he sought to get us to empathise more with the character. Perhaps open it up a bit more to a female audience.

But clearly thats not what most people want from Superman. Not to mention he simply alienated younger audiences (by having a dour, serious tone). He alienated those wanting an action oriented movie (by having a boring melodrama). Thats your two biggest demographics for the movie alienated! I mean what in Krypton were they thinking!?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey ROBOCOP!

so by your definition..if you didn't like the movie and someone else did..we are all wrong because you thought it was boring miscast blah blah blah..

Not at all. I'm simply stating the fact that I don't understand what anyone could like about the movie.

But even people who post in defense of it do so in a general rather than specific way. If you come out of the cinema after watching this movie with your friends, what are you going to turn to them and talk about.

"Wasn't it great that bit where Superman....."

Thats what I want to know from the people defending this movie. What specifically did they like about it?

I'll give you one for free, I liked the plane rescue. There I said it.

I read a lot on these forums about what people specifically disliked, but very little about what they specifically liked.

your going to fit in well.

Well I suppose my post count makes me seem like a noob to you 'Mr 12,000+', but I am no novice, just busier than some.

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Hi Lestat!



I suppose its a grey line where homage ends and rip off begins, but the fact that he basically retrod the same plot even though this was meant to be in continuity to the first two Donner movies borders on unforgivable.



The movie was depressing when it should be upbeat, dark and muted when it should be bright and colourful, dour when it should be fun and boring when it should have been exciting.

Don't get me wrong, I can see what Singer was trying to do. By making Superman more human, with serious adult problems, he sought to get us to empathise more with the character. Perhaps open it up a bit more to a female audience.

But clearly thats not what most people want from Superman. Not to mention he simply alienated younger audiences (by having a dour, serious tone). He alienated those wanting an action oriented movie (by having a boring melodrama). Thats your two biggest demographics for the movie alienated! I mean what in Krypton were they thinking!?

The bottom line is that Superman Returns hit $200 M, $390 M Worldwide and will gurantee itself a sequel berth. I know it pains you personally to see Bryan Singer achieve yet another success in his film career, and you'll simply have to cry yourself to sleep late at night as you think of all the DVD sales the film will make in the Christmastime.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

Oh i apologise, i will NEVER like a movie you dont again

No apologies necessary. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don't understand yours, I honestly don't. Is that really what some of you want from a Superman movie? Or is it just that you will support a Superman movie no matter what?

Do you want the same amount of action from the sequel?

Do you want the sequel to be Singer's 'homage' to Donner's Superman II?

Should Superman do more super-peeping in the sequel?

Should Jason kill again?

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Should Jason kill again?

LOL @ You choosing to see your own mother get murdered by a thug than getting your pretty little hands dirty and actually helping her.

Yellow-belly marshmallow soft fruitcake. Do some push-ups and get your confidence up, skeletor.

Adieu.

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Should Jason kill again?

LOL @ this herb disappearing into the bushes like a at-large child molester when he gets called out. Shook ass petroleoum jelly, no spine-having, letting-his-own-mother-get-killed, posterboy for abortion dummy.

Adieu.

 

[GreenKToo]

wow.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there!

The bottom line is that Superman Returns hit $200 M, $390 M Worldwide and will gurantee itself a sequel berth.

So it would appear. I have but two hopes left, both seem unlikely at this juncture.

1. Warner does not bring Singer back, and restarts the franchise.

However, I would guess Warner Bros. care more about their pride rather than their wallets, so they will likely get Singer back again. It seems a forlorn hope at this stage to see Singer being kicked to the kerb.

2. Singer actually listens to the fans and makes a good movie.

All but impossible given the elements in place.

I know it pains you personally to see Bryan Singer achieve yet another success in his film career,

I have nothing against Bryan Singer personally.

But how can it be a success when it has not even made its money back from the box office? The combined worldwide profit is approx. $195 million (55% domestic, 45% overseas).

Thats before we count Singer's alleged percentage (10%) of the gross. Which steals $39 million off the top (well done Bryan). Therefore the current net LOSS for the studios is $114 million (or only $48 million if we discount the expenditure from previous incarnations of the movie).

A few more successes like that and Warner Bros. will no longer be in business.

and you'll simply have to cry yourself to sleep late at night as you think of all the DVD sales the film will make in the Christmastime.

Whatever it will sell, you can damn well guarantee it will be far less than they would have expected.

 

[GreenKToo]

^ and you know this how???just curious why you think the DvD's wont sell as much as they think.how many are they hopeing will sell??

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Shiny!

LOL @ You choosing to see your own mother get murdered by a thug than getting your pretty little hands dirty and actually helping her. .

Not exactly the point I was trying to make. They could have shown Jason knock the thug out or even toss him overboard or anything. Instead what we get was him killing the guy. Which basically gives kids the message that murder is okay, going so far as to glorify it even.

Maybe in the sequel Richard will give Lois a slap for cheating on him with Supes, Jason will see it and break Richard's neck.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there!

^ and you know this how???just curious why you think the DvD's wont sell as much as they think.how many are they hopeing will sell??

Well its fairly simple logic.

1. Superman Returns did $390 million worldwide, but even the head of Warner Bros. is quoted as saying it should have done at least $500 million worldwide.

2. How many Superman fans (the backbone of those who would likely buy the dvd lets remember) who saw the movie, disliked it. Quite a few if you pay attention to any message boards discussing Superman Returns, the fans seem pretty much split.

3. The movie alienated both the younger audience and the action-orientated audience.

When you weigh up all the above, there is simply no way it will meet its initial projected targets. X-Men 3 sold 2.6 million units on its first day of sale. I'd be amazed if Superman Returns does half that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd say Superman Returns big problem on DVD will be it not being very kid friendly and being released a week before Pirates. I see it selling 5 and half million DVD's while Pirates 2 sells 10mil and the biggest seller of the year will be cars with 15mil, because childrens movie's always do huge numbers on DVD.

 

[GreenKToo]

kool..I think alot of folks opted out of seeing it in the theater because its such a hassel these days to go and try to see more than two (its waaay expensive for a family of 4).Most families prolly choose to see maybe one or two movies in the theater over the summer because of the cost of going,and instead wait to buy the other on DvD....Plus with S.R. being released close to christmas, I think will help it's sales alot as well.I know a few people who have not saw it,and are waiting to puchase it on DvD.Guess what they saw at the theater instead??yep,pirates....By the way..how many S.R. DvD's are W.B. planning/hopeing to sell???

Hi there!



Well its fairly simple logic.

1. Superman Returns did $390 million worldwide, but even the head of Warner Bros. is quoted as saying it should have done at least $500 million worldwide.

2. How many Superman fans (the backbone of those who would likely buy the dvd lets remember) who saw the movie, disliked it. Quite a few if you pay attention to any message boards discussing Superman Returns, the fans seem pretty much split.

3. The movie alienated both the younger audience and the action-orientated audience.

When you weigh up all the above, there is simply no way it will meet its initial projected targets. X-Men 3 sold 2.6 million units on its first day of sale. I'd be amazed if Superman Returns does half that.

 

[ultimatefan]

Well it seems to be like that already, but i think over the next few years people will come to appreciate SR more.

Yeah, I have no doubt that if you had the Internet back when Superman II was released it would have faced a lot of fanboy flack too - "how DARE Superman drop his hero duties for a chick?!?"

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

Hi there!



So it would appear. I have but two hopes left, both seem unlikely at this juncture.

1. Warner does not bring Singer back, and restarts the franchise.

However, I would guess Warner Bros. care more about their pride rather than their wallets, so they will likely get Singer back again. It seems a forlorn hope at this stage to see Singer being kicked to the kerb.

2. Singer actually listens to the fans and makes a good movie.

All but impossible given the elements in place.



I have nothing against Bryan Singer personally.

But how can it be a success when it has not even made its money back from the box office? The combined worldwide profit is approx. $195 million (55% domestic, 45% overseas).

Thats before we count Singer's alleged percentage (10%) of the gross. Which steals $39 million off the top (well done Bryan). Therefore the current net LOSS for the studios is $114 million (or only $48 million if we discount the expenditure from previous incarnations of the movie).

A few more successes like that and Warner Bros. will no longer be in business.



Whatever it will sell, you can damn well guarantee it will be far less than they would have expected.

Upper Lip Crust, don't lie to me my dear boy. I don't wear this shiny black suit for a fashion statement, I am a ninja, a disciple of the art of war, and I can smell a weak post rebuttal like a carton of bad eggs, my homie.

Anyhoo, your math is quite mistaken. Superman Returns grossed $390 Worldwide, $200 M domestic, and $190 M International. Therefore, it has already recouped its budget and that is why Warner Brothers will greenlight a sequel.

It is sad really, a tragic sight, that a young man such as yourself full of potential can be so self-deceptive. You fabricate all these "figures" and "facts" about the financial state of Superman Returns to justify your opinion of it as a bad movie. Don't worry about Warner Brother's bank account, the secretary is taking care of that, they are doing just fine thank you.

And you claim half-heartedly that you don't have a personal grudge against Bryan Singer, and yet your two major complaints concerning Superman Returns is with the director Singer himself. Like a confused woman, you are full of contradictions.

After all is said is done, after the last doom bell has rung and the world has passed on to another age, the people of the future will sing their praise of Bryan Singer. He will be enshrined in a national museum for his contribuitions in the art of filmmaking, and songs of his greatness will ring across the nation from sea to shining sea. You, however, will be forgotten, like a flaw in the pattern that must be stamped out, your ignorance and lack of contribuition to the world at large will be your downfall, and your sad legacy will spiral down a pipe in some dirty public restroom like sewage and flow down the Hudson, to be washed away and completely forgotten. Your seed will be impotent, and your wife will be barren like a field of grain suffering from a decade long drought.

Adieu, adieu.

 

[green]

Not at all. I'm simply stating the fact that I don't understand what anyone could like about the movie.

But even people who post in defense of it do so in a general rather than specific way. If you come out of the cinema after watching this movie with your friends, what are you going to turn to them and talk about.

"Wasn't it great that bit where Superman....."

Thats what I want to know from the people defending this movie. What specifically did they like about it?

I'll give you one for free, I liked the plane rescue. There I said it.

Hey Krusty,
What did people like about it...
I can asnwer that
Opening sequence : the music, the nostalgia, the shot through space.
Minimal dialogue : yeah some were turned off by this but personally Im a fan of directors who are capable of conveying emotion without explaining everything, IMO Singer did this brilliantly.
"Even if you arent the last, you're not alone"
Rooftop scene : With what I consider to be one of the best lines in a super hero movie...
"You say the world doenst need a saviour..."
Superman trying to get back in Lois good graces after that article, and no I never felt like he was trying to romantically win her back, he just wanted her on his side and to understand that the world does need him.
Kitty and Lex's chemistry : these two were hysterical, the love/hate relationship was great and I felt giving Lex someone who was capable of verbally sparring with him quite samrt. It seemed they actually enjoyed each others viciousness.
The kid : I was appauled at the idea at first but you know what, in my eyes they totally pulled it off. The ending where Superman leaves Jason with Lois and Richard I felt directly realted to Clark being brought up by the Kents. An extraordinary being raised by ordinary folks.

Anyway, I could go on but I dont really care to dwell on things. Unlike some I wont sit here for 117 days and just complain about something...seems like such a waste to me.
Alot of people who saw this movie liked it, i just dont think they are quite as vocal as though who didnt, you're just going to have to accept that.

Cant wait for Singer's sequel
As for the Donner/Zod rehash...funny thing is fanboys were foaming at the mouth at the beginnning of production over the inclusion of Zod, now they have done a 180, go figure...fickle.

 

[Super Kal]

they thught it was going to be a bright uplifting movie, because that's what Donner's vision of Superman was...


it wasn't.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

they thught it was going to be a bright uplifting movie, because that's what Donner's vision of Superman was...


it wasn't.

I have to say, I was hoping that it wasn't going to be like Donner's films as I wasn't a fan of say...80% of the original movie.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Shiny!

Upper Lip Crust, don't lie to me my dear boy. I don't wear this shiny black suit for a fashion statement, I am a ninja, a disciple of the art of war, and I can smell a weak post rebuttal like a carton of bad eggs, my homie.

Listen 'ninja-boy', you may have a sixth sense, but I have a sixth a seventh and an eighth.

Anyhoo, your math is quite mistaken.

On the contrary, my math is impeccable.

Superman Returns grossed $390 Worldwide, $200 M domestic, and $190 M International. Therefore, it has already recouped its budget and that is why Warner Brothers will greenlight a sequel.

Allow me to enlighten you.

The studio only 'nets' 55% of the domestic gross, and 45% of the overseas gross. The rest of the gross goes to the cinema theatres.

So to clarify, the studio has NOT recouped its losses. It is still many millions in the red.

It is sad really, a tragic sight, that a young man such as yourself full of potential can be so self-deceptive. You fabricate all these "figures" and "facts" about the financial state of Superman Returns to justify your opinion of it as a bad movie. Don't worry about Warner Brother's bank account, the secretary is taking care of that, they are doing just fine thank you.

Fortunately, unlike you, the Warner Bros. accountants won't have trouble with basic arithmetic.

And you claim half-heartedly that you don't have a personal grudge against Bryan Singer, and yet your two major complaints concerning Superman Returns is with the director Singer himself. Like a confused woman, you are full of contradictions.

You misunderstand. I make no personal comments on the mans character. I do make comments on the movie he made. A director must bear the responsibility for making a bad movie, just as much as they take the plaudits for making a good one.

After all is said is done, after the last doom bell has rung and the world has passed on to another age, the people of the future will sing their praise of Bryan Singer. He will be enshrined in a national museum for his contribuitions in the art of filmmaking, and songs of his greatness will ring across the nation from sea to shining sea.

I think I read something like this in the book of Revelations, Hell on Earth if I'm not mistaken.

You, however, will be forgotten, like a flaw in the pattern that must be stamped out, your ignorance and lack of contribuition to the world at large will be your downfall, and your sad legacy will spiral down a pipe in some dirty public restroom like sewage and flow down the Hudson, to be washed away and completely forgotten. Your seed will be impotent, and your wife will be barren like a field of grain suffering from a decade long drought.

Sounds like a plan! t:

 

[Hiruu]

I guess the Man of Steel is saying...THANK GOD FOR IMAX! It's going to be interesting to see how much leverage this gives to IMAX in dealing with Timw Warner. This is the 2nd SH movie in the row to have a stellar run on the BIG screen. Gratz to the movie...now let's see if TW follows thru...