SR vs X3

[Mike059jig]

X2 is not overated its just worn out......x3 had enough flaws for the critics to see right through the action......a movie based on action can take a movie a long way......X2 in 03 was a smooth movie with enough action along with great characters, why people like it cause of nightcrawler....and important character didn't die and each character had favorable screen time.....X3 too much characters, too many die, and has wasted potential written all over it...but like i said action can take a movie along way

Every gripe against X-3 can be traced back to singer

and Ratner is the poor innocent soul right??....

 

[Secret_Riddle]

What charachter was shown in SR. Superman going from voyeur to full blown child abductor perhaps. You didnt dispute any of my facts because you cant. Rotten tomatoes scores mean nothing, it's just someone elses opinion. Besides critics are pc sheep, after reeves death and all of the problems facing the movie none of them wanted to be kill joys. But it's all good I have my rush hour and X-3 dvd's, and im sure you have SR and Nazi Teacher.

1. Character shown in Superman Returns: World coming back to grips with the return of Superman. The film focuses on Lois Lane and Supermans relationship specifically.

2. Critics judge films because they love movies and enjoy offering their opinion on whats good and what is not.

3. I can prove you wrong, Wolverine was featured more then Cyclops because a bigger name was playing him and Wolverine was more important to the core storyline of all 3 films..Cyclops was not. These arent the comics after all, they are a movie adaptation.

4. Superman Returns is not a jerk off fest, in fact, not a single person is seen jacking off in the film.

5.Each x-men showed their powers in the first 2 x-men movies and their powers each had a different role in the film even if they were not always fighting in sync. Wolverine was able to kill Death Strike, Cyclops was under hypnosis and blasted a hole in the pressure guages, Jean sacrificed herself for the team. In my opinion each X-men was responsible for the final result.

6. Regardless of how much money the two movies made, this poll shows that 2 thirds of fans in general prefer Superman Returns.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I agree in something with Triadkd: Singer's X-Movies are overrated, specially X2. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, it just that people seem to love it and they put it on a pedestal like a big masterpiece, when it has a lot of flaws, just as X3. That's what sickens me the most, not people thinking that X3 sucks, but thinking that and thinking X2 is Raiders of the Lost Ark. I can see if you think both were crappy, it's your opinion, but saying one (any one) is a piece of **** and the other the eight wonder of the world, I'll never get that.

Oh alright. You've managed to insult a whole fan base. Good job, thanks for informing me that I'm not allowed to like X2 (because you didnt like it) if i did'nt like x-men 3...

 

[Triadkd]

Ratner was hired because singer jumped ship and abandoned the franchise. I can only imagine the thoughts going through this snobs mind when he was offered superman.Finally a chance to make a "real" superhero film. Whats that superman has had classic battles with guys like metallo,doomsday,and braniac,naw this is the real world, sure he flies around,has incredible powers, and wears a bright colorful costume, but let's make it realistic. Honestly I liked the X-films when I was younger, but the more I learned about X-men history and films in general, the more I realized what crap films they really were. Ratner was given a strict deadline and an already written script. Singer had months of preperation,an incredible budget, his choice of casting and could have done pretty much anything he wanted. Yet through all of this singer turns out one of the worst films of the year, and ratner delivers a very respectable yet flawed X-men film. I can only imagine what ratner would have done with half of singers resources.

 

[Erzengel]

So X3 with it's

-Squeezing 10 pounds of sh't in a 5 pound bag at an hour and 40 minute runnnig time
-Zero character development
-Bastardization of one of the X-Men's classic storylines (Dark Phoenix Saga)
-Limited use of new characters such as Colossus and Angel
-Killing off of some of the major guns
-No substance except for the action

And that's still better than the first 2 X-Men movies?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Actually if Fox had waited Singer would be shooting their X3 right now and why is it ppl keep making out that the comic inaccuracies alone made it bad as if only hardcore fans hated it,my issues and many others on here with the movie are purely from a cinematic standpoint

 

[Triadkd]

Cyclops was not a major gun in the X-Film universe. The studio said it was the last and wanted ratner to go out with a bang so he did. And it's funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that singer had 10 times as many resources as ratner and still couldnt make a better film. As soon as fanboys heard who was directing they made up their minds. If the film had been directed by singer(although cyclops probably wouldnt have any lines) you all would be praising it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Cyclops was not a major gun in the X-Film universe. The studio said it was the last and wanted ratner to go out with a bang so he did. And it's funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that singer had 10 times as many resources as ratner and still couldnt make a better film. As soon as fanboys heard who was directing they made up their minds. If the film had been directed by singer(although cyclops probably wouldnt have any lines) you all would be praising it.

Yes just stereotype everyone,I'm not a big Singer fan and prior to release i preferred Ratners other movies to Singers and Singer did make a better movie by far IMO at least it didn't bore me like X3 did

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Cyclops was not a major gun in the X-Film universe. The studio said it was the last and wanted ratner to go out with a bang so he did. And it's funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that singer had 10 times as many resources as ratner and still couldnt make a better film. As soon as fanboys heard who was directing they made up their minds. If the film had been directed by singer(although cyclops probably wouldnt have any lines) you all would be praising it.

Um, no he didn't. Singer didn't have the resources that Ratner had. If Singer did then most likely Sentinels would've been included, Beast would've been included earlier on, as well as Gambit, and Angel.

Singer was screwed over and those who can't admit it need to put their head back into the sand. As a big fan of the comics, the animated series, and the the first two films, there's no doubt in my mind that Singer would've made a better film. While some fanboys will disagree with me, I feel what Singer did was a lot more faithful to the stories and the themes than what Ratner did.

What Singer excells at is brilliant storytelling. While he's not big on action and mindless eye candy, he knows how to tell a story that drives the point home and gives off an emotional impact.

From what I understand Singer promised Jimmy(Marsden) that he would be front and center for X3/X4 since it was going into the Dark Phoenix Saga. Singer had intentions on bringing in Emma Frost, Gambit, Hellfire Club, and Beast.

I suggest you do some research before spouting off your supposed "facts".

Now if you're talking about Superman Returns then you might be correct. However, Singer(in my opinion) made a great film that met my expectations.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Cyclops was not a major gun in the X-Film universe. The studio said it was the last and wanted ratner to go out with a bang so he did. And it's funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that singer had 10 times as many resources as ratner and still couldnt make a better film. As soon as fanboys heard who was directing they made up their minds. If the film had been directed by singer(although cyclops probably wouldnt have any lines) you all would be praising it.

dude you make no sence. I love michael mann i think hes a fabulous director, i hated miami vice though and think he should be ashamed of that movie and i was a fan of the show. Thats proof right there that if Singer had put this out then i still would have hated it. if u like x3 then fine but stop dissing x2. Singer had less resources then Ratner, Ratners budget was way superior to Singer's.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think Triadkid is talking about Singer's SR budget in relation to Ratners X3 budget

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I think Triadkid is talking about Singer's SR budget in relation to Ratners X3 budget

Well, the problem is that we've heard so many conflicting reports of the budget for SR.

From what I understand now, it appears Spider-Man 3 has the most expensive and highest budget at the moment.

 

[Mr Jide]

X2 is not overated its just worn out......x3 had enough flaws for the critics to see right through the action......a movie based on action can take a movie a long way......X2 in 03 was a smooth movie with enough action along with great characters, why people like it cause of nightcrawler....and important character didn't die and each character had favorable screen time.....X3 too much characters, too many die, and has wasted potential written all over it...but like i said action can take a movie along way

and Ratner is the poor innocent soul right??....

Try telling that to James Marsden who imo was robbed in all 3 movies.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Try telling that to James Marsden who imo was robbed in all 3 movies.

Marsden had considerable screen time in X1, X2, the thing with that is that his absence served the story and when he returned to the climatic ending he was excellent.

The ending with Cyclops, Xavier, and Logan proved that Singer had bigger plans for the character.

 

[Triadkd]

Im comparing singers resources in SR to Ratners in X-3. Just because singer couldnt direct a school yard fight doesent mean the action in X-3 was mindless. You guys keep telling yourselves these lies when superman 3 rolls around and luthor is still the villian.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Im comparing singers resources in SR to Ratners in X-3. Just because singer couldnt direct a school yard fight doesent mean the action in X-3 was mindless. You guys keep telling yourselves these lies when superman 3 rolls around and luthor is still the villian.

Why is it you have trouble accepting that some people just found X3 crap ? i have no problem accpeting you like the big action but i thought it was poor,ive seen much better action this year and the fact that everything was exposition to action sequence and repeat didn't make for a good movie IMO

 

[Mr Jide]

Marsden had considerable screen time in X1, X2, the thing with that is that his absence served the story and when he returned to the climatic ending he was excellent.

The ending with Cyclops, Xavier, and Logan proved that Singer had bigger plans for the character.

I just feel that marsden got the short straw in X2

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Im comparing singers resources in SR to Ratners in X-3. Just because singer couldnt direct a school yard fight doesent mean the action in X-3 was mindless. You guys keep telling yourselves these lies when superman 3 rolls around and luthor is still the villian.

It's already been confirmed that Singer is intending on either using Darkseid, Zod, or possibly Doomsday for Superman Returns 2. Nice try though.

X3, compared to the first two films is a mindless action film. The idea of the film is a great idea. It's just due to the rushed production schedule, Ratner's ADD, and the horrible writing from Penn and Kinberg it really didn't live up to the hype or the expectations of some people.

I'm a huge fan of the X-Men and no matter how big the action is in X3, it didn't meet my expectations in the epic or the emotional department. I'll take great storytelling over mindless action anyday. You do realize that Luthor has always been the villain in Superman comics, right? He may've not been front and center but he was always in the background in some shape or form.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I just feel that marsden got the short straw in X2

If you want to look at that way then yes he did. But as I said, the absence of Cyclops showed a team in confusion, strife, and turmoil as they had to team up with the enemy to save him and Xavier.

I feel Singer would've done an excellent job if he had stayed for X3/X4.

 

[Triadkd]

Last sunrise nothing about about sr2 has been confirmed. Remeber when X-2 was annouced and it was "confirmed" that beast,the legacy virus and sentinals were "confirmed". You just cant trust singer, one minute he never reads comics, the next he's a lifelong superman fan. Nothing would make me happier than to have a smart superman movie with good action, but singers style is just not compatible with this type of genre. Mark my words luthor will return and will be the main villian as magneto was in the first two x-films.

 

[BMM]

. . . Mark my words luthor will return and will be the main villian as magneto was in the first two x-films.

Magneto wasn't the main villain of X2.

 

[Mike059jig]

I thought stryker was the villian in X2 while magneto was the sub-villian....

 

[Hunter Rider]

Darth Vader was the main villain for 3 films and that worked out just dandy

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Last sunrise nothing about about sr2 has been confirmed. Remeber when X-2 was annouced and it was "confirmed" that beast,the legacy virus and sentinals were "confirmed". You just cant trust singer, one minute he never reads comics, the next he's a lifelong superman fan. Nothing would make me happier than to have a smart superman movie with good action, but singers style is just not compatible with this type of genre. Mark my words luthor will return and will be the main villian as magneto was in the first two x-films.

This is true, Singer is vaugely familiar with the characters, and writes his own story to go around it, whatever the story may be, like the ****ing mutanizer in X1, or his familiarity with something begins and ends with Donner, so he makes something we all have seen before, and does 100 million times worse

 

[L0ngsh0t]

If you want to look at that way then yes he did. But as I said, the absence of Cyclops showed a team in confusion, strife, and turmoil as they had to team up with the enemy to save him and Xavier.

I feel Singer would've done an excellent job if he had stayed for X3/X4.

This is so bull****, the absence of Cyclops was nothing more then making Wolverine the absolute center of attention. If you listen to the commentary on X2 Singer in so many words basically confirms that.