SR vs X3

[Mike059jig]

Singer is vaugely familiar with the characters

much like every other hollywood director out their...

 

[Cаrter]

X3 was entertaining in the sense of a summer blockbuster.
But Superman felt more epic. I was actually completely enthralled with SR.

And I'm not a very big fan of either franchise or their characters.
Story>Action
SR>X3

 

[Mike059jig]

This is so bull****, the absence of Cyclops was nothing more then making Wolverine the absolute center of attention. If you listen to the commentary on X2 Singer in so many words basically confirms that.

I wonder why Cyclops had the worst screen time in X3? and how Wolverine gets written in Cyclops role in X3?..I would use your reasoning for X3 not X2....and Cyclops went missing in the novel BTW.....

 

[L0ngsh0t]

much like every other hollywood director out their...

Nolan, and Raimi seem to get the jist just fine, I want a director like that for my beloved Xmen not Singer/Ratner

I like superman, but you guys can have him if you really want him, Superman is down on my list of franchise that need to be awesome, and have a good director, cause they already had one in Donner

 

[Mike059jig]

Nolan, and Raimi seem to get the jist just fine, I want a director like that for my beloved Xmen not Singer/Ratner

ask them if they were familiar with the character before being approached with the movie??..I bet they had to do research first.....

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I wonder why Cyclops had the worst screen time in X3? and how Wolverine gets written in Cyclops role in X3?..I would use your reasoning for X3 not X2....and Cyclops went missing in the novel BTW.....

Ummm last I checked Wolverine was the main character in both X1, and X2 usurping not just Cyclops but everyones screen time, which they completely missed the point by doing that, they should have just called them wolverine movies. The X-men are a team, and Cyclops being the leader of the team, not once took any sort of leadership role in the entire franchise, nor stepped in and said anything remotely important throughout 2 movies, until his 5 minute tour de force in X3. Singers fault

 

[Mike059jig]

Ummm last I checked Wolverine was the main character in both X1, and X2 usurping not just Cyclops but everyones screen time, which they completely missed the point by doing that, they should have just called them wolverine movies. The X-men are a team, and Cyclops being the leader of the team, not once took any sort of leadership role in the entire franchise, nor stepped in and said anything remotely important throughout 2 movies, until his 5 minute tour de force in X3. Singers fault

I wonder who was executing orders at the end of X1???..not wolverine...Wolverine wasn't written over Cyclops in the first 2 movies..it was in X3....they are wolverine movies..part 4 is on the way...... singers fault right?? and Ratner is the innocent one??...Wolverine was the main character but other character around him got favorable screen time thats why singer just added one character in X2 cause of other character screen time....and not flooding the movie with mutants and killing some off

 

[L0ngsh0t]

ask them if they were familiar with the character before being approached with the movie??..I bet they had to do research first.....

Well, first off you know they where at least familiar with them, listen to spiderman commentary, and Raimi says something to the degree of I knew it had to be green goblin from the beginning, and Chris Nolan has said many time his brother was a huge fan of Batman, so he was familiar with the stories, but obviously they had to do research, I just don't see any research being done on any of the first two Xmen movies. The characters aren't the same, the stories are almost all but made up for the moive (there is a litte similarity to some plot that i can't remember off the top of my head in X2, but its just a little similarity). It isn't till X3 that we actually see the X-men do, what we have grown accoustom to them doing, using their powers, would some story be nice, yes, but how can you put a character named Iceman in 2 movies, and not have him actually turn into an Iceman? You have a lady named Storm, but in X1 you might as well call her Lightning Queen, because that is all she does, Cyclops can shoot Lazers out of his ****ing eyes and he is hand fighting?

 

[Ben Urich]

They aren't lasers.
They are beams of concussive force.
There is a difference.

 

[livrule]

Ummm last I checked Wolverine was the main character in both X1, and X2 usurping not just Cyclops but everyones screen time, which they completely missed the point by doing that, they should have just called them wolverine movies. The X-men are a team, and Cyclops being the leader of the team, not once took any sort of leadership role in the entire franchise, nor stepped in and said anything remotely important throughout 2 movies, until his 5 minute tour de force in X3. Singers fault

Wolverine was always going to be the focus.

It makes sense on every level from marketing to financial gain. The comics are no different ... its a team book but Logan has always been pushed forward as the unofficial 'star'.

As for Cyclops ..... in a comic book you can read his mind ... see what the man is thinking ... it adds depth to a character that is, to be honest, not very interesting most of the time. You can't do that in a movie and making him the centre of any story would have been a massive mistake.

Marsden did well but it was no-win.

 

[Mike059jig]

Well, first off you know they where at least familiar with them

yes they know they names and so on...but are they really familiar with the character...trust me Raimi went through a bit of research to get spidey right

 

[Triadkd]

It's no use longshot these guys will defend that hack singer to the death. It makes them feel elite that they understand singer and we dont. Singer made horrible X-movies with wolverine as the star. The reason these movies are so overrated is because we dont have any other x-flims to compare them to. If donner's film had never been made then sr probably would have become just as overrated as the xfilms.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

It's no use longshot these guys will defend that hack singer to the death. It makes them feel elite that they understand singer and we dont. Singer made horrible X-movies with wolverine as the star. The reason these movies are so overrated is because we dont have any other x-flims to compare them to. If donner's film had never been made then sr probably would have become just as overrated as the xfilms.

Yeah, I know but it's like, what is their to understand about Singer really? This is what X1 was to Singer, he had this indie screen play in his hands about a group of high school kids who where "outcast" very Coppala Outsiders like, then he gets the call from his agent asking if he wants to make the X-men movie. Singer says, "well I don't really know anything about the X-men, but I could sure use the money (light bulb goes on), hey these are people who are different then everybody else right....? I have an Idea" He erases the main character Jake, of the screen play in his hands, and replaces it with Wolverine, and history is made

Because if the wolverine from the comics, and movie where to meet, the wolverine from the comics would rip cinema wolverine in half for being as much of a ***** as he was

 

[BMM]

. . . It isn't till X3 that we actually see the X-men do, what we have grown accoustom to them doing, using their powers, would some story be nice, yes, but how can you put a character named Iceman in 2 movies, and not have him actually turn into an Iceman? You have a lady named Storm, but in X1 you might as well call her Lightning Queen, because that is all she does, Cyclops can shoot Lazers out of his ****ing eyes and he is hand fighting?

Storm should be using lightning, as it's her main defense in the books. At least in X-Men, she uses wind too. With 100 million more dollars, The Last Stand provides nothing new in terms of Storm's powers. More fog and lightning . . . wow. In so far as Cyclops is concerned, the leader of the X-Men should be able to fight in hand-to-hand combat. Moreover, I would rather watch him fire his optic blasts at villains rather than at sitting water.

 

[CConn]

Wolverine was always going to be the focus.

It makes sense on every level from marketing to financial gain. The comics are no different ... its a team book but Logan has always been pushed forward as the unofficial 'star'.

He isn't the unofficial star in the original Claremont comics. And he's hardly the star in the current (highly acclaimed) Astonishing X-Men comics as well.

As for Cyclops ..... in a comic book you can read his mind ... see what the man is thinking ... it adds depth to a character that is, to be honest, not very interesting most of the time. You can't do that in a movie and making him the centre of any story would have been a massive mistake.

There wasn't any thought boxes X-Men: TAS or X-Men: Evolution and both of those faired quite well with Cyclops being the leader.

 

[Mike059jig]

It isn't till X3 that we actually see the X-men do, what we have grown accoustom to them doing, using their powers, would some story be nice, yes, but how can you put a character named Iceman in 2 movies, and not have him actually turn into an Iceman? You have a lady named Storm, but in X1 you might as well call her Lightning Queen, because that is all she does, Cyclops can shoot Lazers out of his ****ing eyes and he is hand fighting?

you wouldn't want me to pick apart X3 now....Zombie in the red??...crash through walls guy??.....everywhere man??....fast woman??..shockwave lady???.head spike??..purple hair??..etc

 

[L0ngsh0t]

you wouldn't want me to pick apart X3 now....Zombie in the red??...crash through walls guy??.....everywhere man??....fast woman??..shockwave lady???.head spike??..purple hair??..etc

I know where X3's faults lie, I am in no way annointing that movie the definitive xmen movie, but it was a fresh way to end the lackluster saga, so we can start over in 5-8 years and make the X-men saga that should have been made.

Hey Multiple Man was pretty true to form, could have used a little more screen time but who couldn't in X3

 

[Mike059jig]

I know where X3's faults lie, I am in no way annointing that movie the definitive xmen movie, but it was a fresh way to end the lackluster saga, so we can start over in 5-8 years and make the X-men saga that should have been made.

Hey Multiple Man was pretty true to form, could have used a little more screen time but who couldn't in X3

I liked the first two movies.....don't get me wrong....but X3 brings them down a bit....I hardly watch them anymore........it seems like both directors tried too hard to stay true to the first movies......Ratner seen Wolverine star....and made wovlerine the star.....tried to put ethnicity in like singer did and went over board....seen singer added a new character and new villian...Ratner adds too many Villians and too many characters.....seen singer explore two sub-plots in a long movie...ratner explore two major plots in a short movie.....
Singer on the other just made SR I think in his vision and to stay true to the Donner Classic which was bad idea....Singer had the right idea but should of did a rehash of the first superman...reboot...not a conglomerate of SI and SII in a new movie....

I like Rush hour 1 and 2 and X1 and X2..fair game

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I liked the first two movies.....don't get me wrong....but X3 brings them down a bit....I hardly watch them anymore........it seems like both directors tried too hard to stay true to the first movies......Ratner seen Wolverine star....and made wovlerine the star.....tried to put ethnicity in like singer did and went over board....seen singer added a new character and new villian...Ratner adds too many Villians and too many characters.....seen singer explore two sub-plots in a long movie...ratner explore two major plots in a short movie.....
Singer on the other just made SR I think in his vision and to stay true to the Donner Classic which was bad idea....Singer had the right idea but should of did a rehash of the first superman...reboot...not a conglomerate of SI and SII in a new movie....

I like Rush hour 1 and 2 and X1 and X2..fair game

I think your point on SR is 100 percent correct, I again disagree with any notion that states X1 is a good xmen movie though

 

[Jolie_Desastre]

again i have to go with SR

x3 was just a ****ing mess!

 

[cryptic name]

Cyclops was not a major gun in the X-Film universe. The studio said it was the last and wanted ratner to go out with a bang so he did. And it's funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that singer had 10 times as many resources as ratner and still couldnt make a better film. As soon as fanboys heard who was directing they made up their minds. If the film had been directed by singer(although cyclops probably wouldnt have any lines) you all would be praising it.

according to this poll, singer did make a better film. the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it bad. you're backing an argument up with your own opinion, so there's nothing to talk about.

 

[Supreme Power]

Hmm, after all this time and seeing both movies, and having them both on DVD, I still agree with my orginal opinion. The main people that totally hated X3, as the box office and DVD sales showed, are fanboys. Fanboys who in my opinion can be, and sometimes are overly critical when comparing comic books to their respective movies. Which is probably why the Cyclops and phoenix issues didn't bother me as much.

Does X3 have flaws, yes it does. It was rushed, too short, and had little to no character development. But these were things I could eventually look past to see what else the movie did have, which was a lot of things I hadn't seen in the Xmovies before, and wanted to see. Could it have been better with a different director? Maybe, maybe not. You would have the same script. But all in all, I believe it was better than SR.

Now I grew up liking Xmen and Superman. But SR lacked greatly in that it was mostly the SAME THING, all over again. Reminded me too much of the previous films. Yes some of the scenes and CGI was incredible, but something was missing. To me, it was descent, but boring. And I won't even get into the son thing.

So for me, both are far from great. But I enjoyed X3 more.

 

[Supreme Power]

according to this poll, singer did make a better film. the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it bad. you're backing an argument up with your own opinion, so there's nothing to talk about.

This poll is only by fans on the boards.

 

[cryptic name]

This poll is only by fans on the boards.

so? he's propping his argument about singer on his opinion that SR is not as good as X3, as if its fact. and he's making this argument in a thread where the poll suggests the opposite.

 

[Triadkd]

Ratner was working under strict conditions with studios forcing him to release the film before SR. Had ratner or someone like him been in control of the X-Franchise from the start I think we would all be much more satisfied. Singer is just to damn cocky and he thinks he's better than the material he's working with. His systematic destruction of comic films,which you all have encouraged have only lowered the bar for future comic films. With the exception of films like batman and daredevil, comic movies should be fantastical and comicy. I dont want some social commentary about how gays are outcast, I want the XMEN fighting as a team to protect human and mutant kind alike,something ratner pulled off and singer never did. Now he's started on the superman franchise. Im not a big fan of supes but I hate to see any comic film buthcered the way singer does them.