SR vs X3

[WorthyStevens]

I dont want some social commentary about how gays are outcast, I want the XMEN fighting as a team to protect human and mutant kind alike,something ratner pulled off and singer never did.

Wow. You have no idea about who the X-Men really are, and how they would be identified in society if they were real.

 

[JackBauer]

I dont want some social commentary about how gays are outcast, I want the XMEN fighting as a team to protect human and mutant kind alike,something ratner pulled off and singer never did.

translation: "I want the depth of a Power Rangers episode."

 

[Triadkd]

I know that stan lee said he based them on the civil rights movement and it's leaders which in my opinion is different from the gay struggle. I think singer got to pretentious and tried to make the film all about that. The xmen have always been outcast that banded together and had ADVENTURES. And why do you guys always pick one or two sentences from my post and take them out of contex. So far no one has been able to dispute the fact that singer had the ideal resources at his expense and still dropped the ball. If singer is as good a filmaker as you all make him out to be than the SR forums wouldnt be full of delusional fanboys crying about "merchandise" and "tv sales".

 

[Mike059jig]

If singer is as good a filmaker as you all make him out to be than the SR forums wouldnt be full of delusional fanboys crying about "merchandise" and "tv sales".

Much like the X3 forum..it was much worse before and ten times worse after the movie

 

[Triadkd]

Singer had complete creative control and still managed to flub it up. There is no reason that the SR forums should have such pathetic threads as "At least we beat Fantastic Four". While ratner managed to deliver a decent film despite two directors backing out and a rushed deadline.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I know that stan lee said he based them on the civil rights movement and it's leaders which in my opinion is different from the gay struggle. I think singer got to pretentious and tried to make the film all about that. The xmen have always been outcast that banded together and had ADVENTURES.

Yeah, but on a more deeper level, the X-Men have always had trouble fitting in with society, and being accepted. Just like the Civil Rights movement back in the 50s, and homosexuality for years.

And why do you guys always pick one or two sentences from my post and take them out of contex.

Because I'm not arguing about Singer at this time.

 

[JackBauer]

So far no one has been able to dispute the fact that singer had the ideal resources at his expense and still dropped the ball.

I'll dispute that. at least with X1. he had huge pressure from the studio, budget cuts, even more pressure from fans, the release was anticipated, so he had to work a lot faster than he previously expected, and that was just his third movie, his first big one. hardly ideal resources. and the first 20minutes of that movie trump just about anything in X3 (save for, maybe, the Worthingtons introduction scene, the only thing that wasn't crap in that).

after that, he still had pressure from the studio, but with more time and money he made what the majority believes to be the best movie in the franchise, and what some believe to be the best comic book movie ever.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's b/c everyone digs Wolvie. That's messed up...but that's what happened. He was really the main character of the first one anyways.

I think SR has to get the upper hand here. A sequel CAN make things right. The sequel could be great, and end up like the X-series where the sequel becomes loved. Alot of issues people had with the first X-Men, people seemed to kinda get on SR about.....mainly the lack of violence I'm saying.

And, yeah.....Singer will need to do homework for the next one. Someone give him a Superman comic, please. But, I think it'll work out. The future is optimistic.

X-Men though.....sigh......I just wish it'd had gone down better. I think the studio will take another crack at it....simply b/c they made tons of cash last time out.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah....lots of people choose to forget that FOX practically pooched Singer throughout both films. There were things he wanted to get in, and none of them happened b/c FOX didn't want to put up the cash. Sentinels, Beast, Danger Room......stuff like that never got made b/c FOX refused to finance it. It's pretty incredible to see Singer was able to overcome that bs.

 

[JackBauer]

Singer had complete creative control and still managed to flub it up. There is no reason that the SR forums should have such pathetic threads as "At least we beat Fantastic Four". While ratner managed to deliver a decent film despite two directors backing out and a rushed deadline.

complete creative control, maybe in SR, not in X-Men.

as far as pathetic threads go, you can find s#!t like that all over the SHH forums, including, yes, the X-Men ones.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Singer had complete creative control and still managed to flub it up. There is no reason that the SR forums should have such pathetic threads as "At least we beat Fantastic Four". While ratner managed to deliver a decent film despite two directors backing out and a rushed deadline.

Decent?

That's being nice, I think.

SR is a better film than X3. All X3 has is a bunch of pretty explosions, and good violence. The story was crap, the ending was even worse and the secret ending ****ed the thing upside down for me. Good action scenes doesn't equal decent for me. A decent story, with not so much action does though. And I think SR is good. Not great, but good.

 

[JackBauer]

Decent?

That's being nice, I think.

SR is a better film than X3. All X3 has is a bunch of pretty explosions, and good violence. The story was crap, the ending was even worse and the secret ending ****ed the thing upside down for me. Good action scenes doesn't equal decent for me. A decent story, with not so much action does though. And I think SR is good. Not great, but good.

ugh, don't even get me started on the ending(s). managed to make the entire movie utterly pointless. reversed every single change the movie made back to status quo.

oh no, Cyclops was still dead. guess that's what happens when you piss off Tom Rothman.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Exactly. The whole thing seemed to be a huge "WTF" b/c suddenly, everything could go back and nothing would matter.

And Cyclops........jesus, they were better off just not having him show up at all. Pull a Sabertooth or Toad on us, b/c really.....I'd had prefer that better. And really, I think Cyclops has been MASSIVELY underused, and just not done justice at all......in any of the films, btw.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I'll dispute that. at least with X1. he had huge pressure from the studio, budget cuts, even more pressure from fans, the release was anticipated, so he had to work a lot faster than he previously expected, and that was just his third movie, his first big one. hardly ideal resources. and the first 20minutes of that movie trump just about anything in X3 (save for, maybe, the Worthingtons introduction scene, the only thing that wasn't crap in that).

after that, he still had pressure from the studio, but with more time and money he made what the majority believes to be the best movie in the franchise, and what some believe to be the best comic book movie ever.

X1 is a really bad X-men movie, from a purely non comic book stance, I am sure it is a fine movie, but I cannot take myself out of the characters that I grew up with to watch these strangers in their place

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

X1 is a really bad X-men movie, from a purely non comic book stance, I am sure it is a fine movie, but I cannot take myself out of the characters that I grew up with to watch these strangers in their place

You can't say that about ANY of the X-Men films without also saying it about X3. You just can't.

X3 sucked, pure and simple. It was good visually, which is important I suppose, but the plot sucked.

I mean, honestly. If you're going to adapt what it considered by many to be THE BEST X-MEN STORY EVER (Dark Phoenix) then it NEEDS to be the A story and it NEEDS to be about Scott and Jean. Period.

 

[-Æ-]

I want to say neither, I wasnt disapointed in both movies. I was built up in the hype of X3, and I didnt get caught up into the hype of SR till a little later in the production. They were both travesties, and made that summer of movies the worst in comic book history. It was like they just didn't care about the comic fans, what they thought, what should had been.

The continuity of X3 was just a nightmare. They threw everything out the window when they did that movie. I would still love to see what Singer had in mind for the X3, and I wouldnt want to see singer direct another Superman (yet that seems highly unlikely).

Superman Returns started out weak, and ended on such a messed up ending. It got to the point of confusing sappy baby mama drama. I was so pissed off with the whole super kid scenario, about how Superman is so freaking lonely, what the heck 75% of the worlds population is lonely, heck Donnie Darko movie said it the best, we all end up dieing alone. So that whole psychological effect to it was just bland.

So when it comes down to it in a poll that is either or, I will still have to stay undecided. Heck out of that summer of "blockbuster" movies, X3 and SR were cheapen crack ****es and hollywood was its pimp.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

You can't say that about ANY of the X-Men films without also saying it about X3. You just can't.

X3 sucked, pure and simple. It was good visually, which is important I suppose, but the plot sucked.

I mean, honestly. If you're going to adapt what it considered by many to be THE BEST X-MEN STORY EVER (Dark Phoenix) then it NEEDS to be the A story and it NEEDS to be about Scott and Jean. Period.

To be honest, of all the acidine things I have said in my 10 months or so at the Hype, I don't think I have ever said X3 was the gold standard in how to make an X-men movie. I could go on for days the problems X3 has, but imo it pales in comparsion to X1, at least they completely ****ing nailed the teamwork aspect of X-men, and fighting, I in no way am saying it is the definitive X-men movie, I don't think that movie has been made yet, and I think they will need to Batman Begins it before it will get made, but it was a fun movie to go to, and you don't have to take anything you don't want to out of it. You can simpley say, Beast was cool, Iceman was cool, and nothing more

 

[Supreme Power]

so? he's propping his argument about singer on his opinion that SR is not as good as X3, as if its fact. and he's making this argument in a thread where the poll suggests the opposite.

There is a lot of people stating opinions as facts in this thread including you.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

There is a lot of people stating opinions as facts in this thread including you.

Its the nature of fan boards, everyone thinks their opinion is better then the next person, I do it, Cryptic name does, I don't have anything to prove you do it Supreme Power, but your name kind of boast that . I think its what gives these threads a little sauce personally, cause most of the time no one is going to back down from their opinion.

 

[Supreme Power]

Its the nature of fan boards, everyone thinks their opinion is better then the next person, I do it, Cryptic name does, I don't have anything to prove you do it Supreme Power, but your name kind of boast that . I think its what gives these threads a little sauce personally, cause most of the time no one is going to back down from their opinion.

Actually I don't. I use phrases like, IMO, to me, I think, I believe, when I'm refering to my opinion, unless I'm stating a fact.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Actually I don't. I use phrases like, IMO, to me, I think, I believe, when I'm refering to my opinion, unless I'm stating a fact.

yeah, I was just joking with your name, I use imo's to, but sometimes I don't and then opinion is stated as facts

 

[JackBauer]

To be honest, of all the acidine things I have said in my 10 months or so at the Hype, I don't think I have ever said X3 was the gold standard in how to make an X-men movie. I could go on for days the problems X3 has, but imo it pales in comparsion to X1, at least they completely ****ing nailed the teamwork aspect of X-men, and fighting, I in no way am saying it is the definitive X-men movie, I don't think that movie has been made yet, and I think they will need to Batman Begins it before it will get made, but it was a fun movie to go to, and you don't have to take anything you don't want to out of it. You can simpley say, Beast was cool, Iceman was cool, and nothing more

look at the first 20 or so minutes of X1: you have the tension between Mags and Prof. X (who, OMG, actually isn't an ******* in this one), Wolverine feels like Clint Eastwood, like he should, instead of Tom Cruise, like he does in X3, Rogue is different from the comics, yes, and she's a lot better, and Jean is actually an intelligent woman, not a zombie.

I'm not saying the movie's flawless, far from it, but the beggining of the movie... pretty close to that.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

X-Men and X2 are held to high regards for good reasons. They're good films, and managed to actually condense the convulted and rather confusing history of the X-Men and made 2 films out of it.

 

[Triadkd]

For the last time I am comparing singers damn near unlimited resources for SUPERMAN RETURNS, compared to ratners for XMEN 3.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I don't think that changes much, really. I think SR was still better.