Picard Star Trek: Picard - General Discussion Thread

[Gaultheria]

I am relieved to see that in the FNN newscast, Worf still looks like Worf.

 

[chesslover]

Next series will be Star Trek:Return of the Red Shirts ...be afraid ...be very afraid

 

[RockSP]

so I think there's reason to suspect that Picard is hallucinating (whatever the cause) that conversation and B-4's disassembly.

Seems to me you're doing some serious reaching just to make a comic book be in continuity with the show lol. He hallucinated the doctor he'd never met who is also a member of the new ship's crew?

 

[Persona]

I liked that first episode. Stewart carries the thing and I thought Hanelle's direction and most of the technical credits were quite strong.

The story has potential but right now we aren't really seeing the arc, just catching up with Picard and getting some inciting incident. I think the weakest part was the teleplay. Some nice moments for Picard but I groaned a little when I saw the teleplay was by Kurtzman and Goldsman, and while it wasn't bad on the whole it did have some of that forced narrative and dialogue and those head-scratcher moments (the abrupt transition from Picard getting thrown by a huge explosion to having his head patted at his chateau) that I associate with both of them.

Hoping Chabon wrote at least a couple of these beyond his story involvement.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Or... That superduper healthcare system and 24th Century medical tech meant that first responders patched up the Admiral for the short term, got a statement, then doped him up real good and sent him home to France?

Starfleet ain’t what is used to be

 

[carrrnuttt]

Or... That superduper healthcare system and 24th Century medical tech meant that first responders patched up the Admiral for the short term, got a statement, then doped him up real good and sent him home to France?

It's quite possible that Starfleet just wanted him out of San Francisco as soon as they patched him up.

It's not like they can't just do that with said "super duper healthcare" and beam him directly to France...

 

[Pink Ranger]

Damn, good first episode. Can't wait for next week.

 

[Flash525]

I am relieved to see that in the FNN newscast, Worf still looks like Worf.

Wait! Worf will be back? Are there any of the core TNG cast not destined to make a return?

Starfleet ain’t what is used to be

Starfleet, like any institution, changes and evolves over the years. The Starfleet of ENT is quite different to the Starfleet of TOS/TMP, and the Starfleet Federation of TOS/TMP is different again to the Starfleet of TNG/DS9/VOY. It stands to reason it'll change and evolve as events take place, and new people with different thoughts/ideas come into play.

Something is going to go wrong at some point though cause... in Star Trek Discovery (Season 3) which IS canon;

Spoiler

the Federation doesn't, or barely exists, and that's set after this Picard series.

 

[Dark Raven]

I am relieved to see that in the FNN newscast, Worf still looks like Worf.

Maybe he could've suddenly looked like the STD Klingons and looked a funny colour and sounded like his teeth were too big for his mouth.

 

[Gaultheria]

Seems to me you're doing some serious reaching just to make a comic book be in continuity with the show lol.

No, if I remember correctly, the Star Trek rights holders intended the 2009 Countdown comic as canon fodder to support the movie. Not saying that comic was a great story, but it's there.

Of course, the real-world explanation for the apparent discrepancy could be inconsistent writing or a decision to change the canon status of that material, but that's hardly interesting as material for speculation. In-universe, there's always the "Parallels" fallback, but since that's been done already, I'd rather there was a mystery to solve.

He hallucinated the doctor he'd never met who is also a member of the new ship's crew?

Trust Picard to learn all about the Daystrom Institute, its staff, and their research after what the rogue Synths did. A hallucination needn't be a complete fabrication.

 

[Gaultheria]

Wait! Worf will be back? Are there any of the core TNG cast not destined to make a return?

I don't know if Worf will be back, though I certainly hope so. The FNN interview showed a picture of Worf's trial from "Sins of the Father".

 

[Dark Raven]

What's the explanation for Data looking like he's put on weight and looking older? He should look exactly as he did in Star Trek Nemesis.

BTW, it's hard to believe it's already 18 years since Nemesis. I haven't watched that film since then.

 

[Flash525]

What's the explanation for Data looking like he's put on weight and looking older? He should look exactly as he did in Star Trek Nemesis.

Picard has aged, so his memory of Data is a little off, and he remembers him a bit chubbier?

That's the only in-universe explanation, that or Picard's had one glass of wine too many. The obvious explanation is of course that Brent has put on a little weight, and they can't blow too much CGI on thinning him out.

 

[Gaultheria]

What's the explanation for Data looking like he's put on weight and looking older? He should look exactly as he did in Star Trek Nemesis.

Some of the senior staff discuss Data's ageing process in "Inheritance". Picard wasn't part of that conversation, but he presumably got a briefing.

 

[Dark Raven]

Some of the senior staff discuss Data's ageing process in "Inheritance". Picard wasn't part of that conversation, but he presumably got a briefing.

Oh, I know about that. But he's dead, so he shouldn't be ageing anymore and should at most look like he did in Nemesis.

I don't know that Picard would extrapolate in his mind how Data might look today. In dreams, people tend to remember others from their past as they were, not as they could be now.

Would that mean that in Star Trek Generations, if Kirk ever dreamt of Lt Saavik, he'd imagine her as she was when Kirsty Alley was in Fat Actress?

 

[Gaultheria]

Picard has aged, so his memory of Data is a little off, and he remembers him a bit chubbier?

The episode made a big deal, too, about how Picard thinks of Data as a friendly, human-like person rather than as a potentially-murderous Synth, so that might influence the mental image.

 

[Flash525]

I must confess, when you think that Trek has introduced androids, robots, artificial intelligence, sentient holograms and characters such as Airiam in the 23rd Century, that the concept and application of a synth wouldn't be so out there by what is the 24th Century.

Trek makes it out (and mostly, always has done) that all the great powers evolved at the same rate - exceptions being the likes of the Iconian, Hur'Q, Voth etc, but even the Dominion and the Borg (alliances or collectives that long predated the Federation) and should forever be ahead of them technologically are all around the same level; furthermore I can't believe (even in this fictional setting) that there wouldn't be other species out there who'd achieved sentient synths with ease by now.

It's kinda' like watching Humans but in Space.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Wait! Worf will be back? Are there any of the core TNG cast not destined to make a return?

Starfleet, like any institution, changes and evolves over the years. The Starfleet of ENT is quite different to the Starfleet of TOS/TMP, and the Starfleet Federation of TOS/TMP is different again to the Starfleet of TNG/DS9/VOY. It stands to reason it'll change and evolve as events take place, and new people with different thoughts/ideas come into play.

Something is going to go wrong at some point though cause... in Star Trek Discovery (Season 3) which IS canon;

Spoiler

the Federation doesn't, or barely exists, and that's set after this Picard series.

About my quote, it was just an humorous reply because of G. Rodenbery original vision.
I usually don't have deep thoughts to post
I'm following ST Disco, no tweeter outrage on my side because The Fed is not shiny happy people.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What's the explanation for Data looking like he's put on weight and looking older? He should look exactly as he did in Star Trek Nemesis.

BTW, it's hard to believe it's already 18 years since Nemesis. I haven't watched that film since then.

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The explanation is Brent Spiner got old. Period. And since we're all adults... We move on with our lives happy to be getting what's basically new TNG.

There's plotholes, inelegant writing but for real... There's also just **** viewers have to accept as not needing some kind of Genre Unified Field Theory to hang each and every viewer's suspension of disbelief on.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

@Kelly
With everything that is going on in the Star Trek world, isn’t it time for its own section...?
Pretty please with synthehol

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

@KRYPTON INC.
Brent looks good, it’s a shame the same can’t be said for the wig that was used...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

@KRYPTON INC.
Brent looks good, it’s a shame the same can’t be said for the wig that was used...

Yeah, that was odd to me too. And it's not like Spiner hadn't used (Despite having a lot of his own hair still...) some kind of hair piece as make up over the years. And... I can't quite put my finger on exactly what the issue is. The color? The fit? The general shap of it?

I don't know.

In fact seeing that BTS shot above it seems like they didn't really employ any sort of elaborate CGI assist, or I assume since it doesn't look like Spiner has anything on his person or face to assist in VFX or mocap etc.


Still... Oh, my heart at seeing those two legendary sci fi actors playing their legendary sci fi characters again in something that felt both modern but capture the essence of the characters very well. I hope that they maintain the level of quality that first episode has.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I think it’s the shape. Colour-wise and fit are good.
It looks like someone drew a straight line up from his ear and across the head down to his other ear!

 

[Dark Raven]

@Kelly
With everything that is going on in the Star Trek world, isn’t it time for its own section...?
Pretty please with synthehol

Maybe the Orville can go in that section as well.