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Yep and SR still made about the same amount of money as the Trek reboot. Take a look per Box Office Mojo below:

Superman Returns:
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%
+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%
= Worldwide: $391,081,192

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Star Trek:
Domestic: $257,730,019 66.8%
+ Foreign: $127,950,427 33.2%
= Worldwide: $385,680,446

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm

The actual key difference is the domestic.

When it comes to Box Office. The only way to go is up (no pun intended) for The Man Of Steel film compared to what SR did at the box office.

Well, with Star Trek in the vicinity...possibly...it certainly doesn't help. They can co exist for sure, but nothing is a sure thing. Look at The Hulk movies.
 
The last Star Trek movie has a really bad screenplay which defies any logic, but some morons will still defend it by saying "It's sci-fi", as if a sci-fi means you can do what you want and not have to have some sort of internal logic :whatever:


Hence why I said Orci and Kurtzman are NOT great screenwriters. Probably why they are bringing in Lindelof to help with the sequel script.

I don't think it's going to matter. I think this Trek sequel will most likely be pushed back to May or June of 2013 anyway.....especially if they want a good quality film.
 
My great fear in this is the comparison game. People compared Lex Luthor in Superman returns with Lex Luthor in Superman II. People compared Superman from Superman Returns to Superman From Superman II. You get people seeing Khan in a Star Trek sequel and it brings into there minds images of Ricardo Montalban and the comparison game starts all over again. Khan is one of the greatest of all star trek villians but ; and I'm saying this directly to Kirk: "you do not need to defeat him again." The wealth of adventure from the paperbacks titled star trek is almost as limitless as the old episodes. I would love to see one of them put to the big screen. "enemy mine" , 3 minute universe" , "rings of tautee" the list goes on and on.



Montalbans Khan happened over 30 years ago man. 30 years is a long time.

I compare Khan's onscreen presence to The Joker more than I would to Lex Luthor.

We have not seen the definitive and ideal corrupt businessman Lex Luthor on the big screen yet to this day. I'm hoping this changes with Nolan, Goyer and Snyders Man Of Steel film though.
 
Montalbans Khan happened over 30 years ago man. 30 years is a long time.

I compare Khan's onscreen presence to The Joker more than I would to Lex Luthor.

We have not seen the definitive and ideal corrupt businessman Lex Luthor on the big screen yet to this day. I'm hoping this changes with Nolan, Goyer and Snyders Man Of Steel film though.
Yeah, but some of us old geezers are living longer than we used to. Some will remember. And Lex. I still think his corrupt businessman persona is only a cover up to assist him in eliminating his arch enemy so he can further his corrupt businessman agenda. I think the big screen is just gonna have trouble portraying Lex.
The next star trek, almost needs to be an action filled mystery / discovery / who's behind this? type movie that will start to show the explosive dynamic behind Jim Kirk and Spock's friendship.
 
I want a Trek movie where they're placed in a completely different setting, like these old episodes such as City on the Edge of Forever, Patterns of Force, Specter of the Gun, Bread and Circuses etc. They were fun. The only Trek movie vaguely like that is Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, but they were just placed in the then present day 1986 California. It wasn't as if they were in a completely different time period which WE are used to seeing.

Wasn't there once a rumor that First Contact was going to be set during the Renaissance period, with Picard et al running around at the time of these ancient scholars on the verge of various discoveries? That would've been fun.
 
I don't see why they couldn't have the best of both worlds and encounter a big bad while exploring.

Oh yeah, that would work. Isn't that usually how it goes in many episodes of many of the shows? :p
 
I want a Trek movie where they're placed in a completely different setting, like these old episodes such as City on the Edge of Forever, Patterns of Force, Specter of the Gun, Bread and Circuses etc. They were fun. The only Trek movie vaguely like that is Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, but they were just placed in the then present day 1986 California. It wasn't as if they were in a completely different time period which WE are used to seeing.

Wasn't there once a rumor that First Contact was going to be set during the Renaissance period, with Picard et al running around at the time of these ancient scholars on the verge of various discoveries? That would've been fun.


The "period" episodes were all great episodes, but wouldn't really work as a feature film, unless they spent a very short period of time in a given period before returning to the main plot in space.

TV is episodic, which means that even though a particular episode takes place in the Great Depression, Nazi Germany or the Old West, the very next episode is back in space doing space stuff. An entire movie where the characters spend most of the time in period costume would be an insult to the audience, because they paid to see a movie about space, and suddenly you have them watching what is basically a hammish period drama.

The Voyage Home could get away with it, because by then the cast and characters were so deeply ingrained into pop culture, you could get away with doing a whole movie set in modern-day California just for the fish out of water schtick. Plus the movie's social gospel was probably the most stark and noticeable of all Trek films. First Contact could get away with it, because they were technically still in the future, and that about half the plot still took place on the futuristic ship itself.

But the current cast and characters, who are in many ways distinct from the originals, is not so well established as to be able pull off a "period" movie.
 
So, do you think the general public will know Trelane, Mudd or Horta far better than Khan? I think not.

To Trekkies, Trekkers, Sci Fi fans and audience, Khan ranks right up there in popularity with the Joker. It's just different genres. The filmmakers should NOT forget who their fanbase is. This would be a great time to reintroduce Khan to the masses, but it doesn't seem they will go that route. Plus if they wanted a chance for this Trek sequel to be a TRUE Box Office juggernaut, then they should have went with a compelling villain like Khan. Their mistake, not mine.

Seeing a younger version of Khan going up against this younger version of Kirk and the Enterprise in this new alternate Trek reality would be GREAT cinema IMO, potentially of course.

No, I don't think the general public will know the other villains any more then they would know Khan.

And that's my point.

In terms of box office draw, Khan doesn't really make a difference. The general audience doesn't remember him. Having Khan isn't going to give the movie any edge before it's released the way having a villain like the Joker would. Yes, the fanbase would love to see Khan again...but we have to remember that the fanbase makes up a minuscule portion of the actual audience who sees these movies.

Khan is not going to give the movie an edge in terms of pre-release buzz because he's simply not that well known outside fan circles. It's been thirty years since he appeared on screen, the vast majority of the target audience for this movie has no idea who Khan is. If he was included and he was written to his potential, he could certainly help the movie be extremely popular once it's released, but the same would be true if they come up with an engaging original villain.

That aside, my main point was, the general audience doesn't know Khan. So including Khan isn't going to give the movie any pre-release buzz that would guarantee a big opening the way a villain like The Joker would.
 
I partially agree with your point, but let me counter with: nobody outside the comic book world knew who the heck Ras Al Ghul and maybe even the Scarecrow were, but that did not prevent Batman Begins from being a commercial and critical success.

That stated, I am against the re-use of Khan. One of the weaknesses of the entire Star Trek franchise is that it never lent itself well to having recurring individual villain characters (DS9 excepted). Khan gets that role just out of default, and it annoys me to no end that all the Khan fans don't realize that's the main reason he stands out. I mean, he was in one episode and one movie, and suddenly he's Kirk's Sinestro? I don't think so.
 
Would the Borg be more well known than Khan? Even though the Borg weren't really around until TNG's timeline.
 
I partially agree with your point, but let me counter with: nobody outside the comic book world knew who the heck Ras Al Ghul and maybe even the Scarecrow were, but that did not prevent Batman Begins from being a commercial and critical success.

That stated, I am against the re-use of Khan. One of the weaknesses of the entire Star Trek franchise is that it never lent itself well to having recurring individual villain characters (DS9 excepted). Khan gets that role just out of default, and it annoys me to no end that all the Khan fans don't realize that's the main reason he stands out. I mean, he was in one episode and one movie, and suddenly he's Kirk's Sinestro? I don't think so.

I agree. But Batman Begins wasn't a box office juggernaut. It did well, but it wasn't a blockbuster. It was about the same as the past Trek movie (Trek was a bit better in terms of overall profit).

My point was that Khan isn't going to give the next Trek movie a huge pre-release push in the way a villain like the Joker did for TDK. Now, yes, part of that push was because of Heath and his death, but there's no denying that the Joker as a fictional character is hugely popular. The buzz for TDK was mounting before Heath's death.

Khan isn't a character that can do that, simply because he's not on the level of a character like the Joker in terms of general public recognizability. In terms of the Box Office argument, having Khan doesn't give the movie any edge, other then the fact that he's a compelling villain. But that all comes down to writing. If the writers create a new villain that's just as compelling it will have the same effect.
 
Khan isn't a character that can do that, simply because he's not on the level of a character like the Joker in terms of general public recognizability. In terms of the Box Office argument, having Khan doesn't give the movie any edge, other then the fact that he's a compelling villain. But that all comes down to writing. If the writers create a new villain that's just as compelling it will have the same effect.


I disagree with all of this. Plus, I'm not to confident Orci and Kurtzman can just create a villain and hope to make him as compelling as Khan is. They are not that good of screenwriters IMO. The character of Nero could have been so much better than he was.
 
I was on the Superman boards and ended up talking about Trek. So I figured I'd come here and share my thoughts.

This film won't be rushed. Paramount and the Producers have to know they have a hot hand after Abrams Trek, but a lesser sequel could ruin all that because it's still Trek and it's not bulletproof with non-trekkies. It could bring the stigma back. These men seem smart enough to know they cannot mess up and are searching for perfection. They also don't know if Abrams will direct this time, which would possibly dictate the script that is chosen.

If Abrams only co-writes and produces while turning over the directing duties, I keep hearing that Matt Reeves will take up that task. But I think a better choice would be Jack Bender. Bender directed more episodes of Lost than anyone else and as such he has a great relationship with Damon Lindelof from Lost and is now helping to write this script. I know my notion of having a television director take on a studio franchise with a huge budget will leave me open to mockery but I stand by my opinion. The episodes of Lost that Bender directed were the slickest one's, had the best character stories/moments, and great action for a television show. Give the guy a chance, he could pull a Nicholas Meyer without trying to follow up a dud like Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

As for storylines, DO NOT use Khan. That would more than likely be underwhelming and as we said, that can't happen. Either go the safe route and introduce Klingons. That, or does anyone remember the episode of Voyager that saw Voyager come across evolved, humanoid Dinasours. To hell with this episode already using this storyline. No one gives a **** about Voyager anyway. So I propose that the movie features the Gorn from the original series episode "Arena". And have the Gorn be revealed as humanoid Dinasours. I know is also a knockoff of the original series, but with the advancement in film technology and the added dinasour storyline would blow the original episode away.

As for the final film in a possible trilogy, use have Kirk and the Enterprise go up against Section 31. Somehow, find out that Section 31 caused Romulus to explode in the 24th Century and altering the timeline. The Enterpise crew then sets out to stop Section 31 in the 23rd Century and restore the original timeline while savivng Kirks father along with Vulcan and Romulus.
 
I was on the Superman boards and ended up talking about Trek. So I figured I'd come here and share my thoughts.

This film won't be rushed. Paramount and the Producers have to know they have a hot hand after Abrams Trek, but a lesser sequel could ruin all that because it's still Trek and it's not bulletproof with non-trekkies. It could bring the stigma back. These men seem smart enough to know they cannot mess up and are searching for perfection. They also don't know if Abrams will direct this time, which would possibly dictate the script that is chosen.

If Abrams only co-writes and produces while turning over the directing duties, I keep hearing that Matt Reeves will take up that task. But I think a better choice would be Jack Bender. Bender directed more episodes of Lost than anyone else and as such he has a great relationship with Damon Lindelof from Lost and is now helping to write this script. I know my notion of having a television director take on a studio franchise with a huge budget will leave me open to mockery but I stand by my opinion. The episodes of Lost that Bender directed were the slickest one's, had the best character stories/moments, and great action for a television show. Give the guy a chance, he could pull a Nicholas Meyer without trying to follow up a dud like Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

As for storylines, DO NOT use Khan. That would more than likely be underwhelming and as we said, that can't happen. Either go the safe route and introduce Klingons. That, or does anyone remember the episode of Voyager that saw Voyager come across evolved, humanoid Dinasours. To hell with this episode already using this storyline. No one gives a **** about Voyager anyway. So I propose that the movie features the Gorn from the original series episode "Arena". And have the Gorn be revealed as humanoid Dinasours. I know is also a knockoff of the original series, but with the advancement in film technology and the added dinasour storyline would blow the original episode away.

As for the final film in a possible trilogy, use have Kirk and the Enterprise go up against Section 31. Somehow, find out that Section 31 caused Romulus to explode in the 24th Century and altering the timeline. The Enterpise crew then sets out to stop Section 31 in the 23rd Century and restore the original timeline while savivng Kirks father along with Vulcan and Romulus.




There is so much that can be done with Khan in this new alternate Trek reality it is not even funny. Your idea for the 3rd film in a potential trilogy sounds intriguing though.
 
This film won't be rushed. Paramount and the Producers have to know they have a hot hand after Abrams Trek, but a lesser sequel could ruin all that because it's still Trek and it's not bulletproof with non-trekkies.


Agreed. Some people think this new Trek film Universe is bulletproof. It certainly is not.
 
I was on the Superman boards and ended up talking about Trek. So I figured I'd come here and share my thoughts.

This film won't be rushed. Paramount and the Producers have to know they have a hot hand after Abrams Trek, but a lesser sequel could ruin all that because it's still Trek and it's not bulletproof with non-trekkies. It could bring the stigma back. These men seem smart enough to know they cannot mess up and are searching for perfection. They also don't know if Abrams will direct this time, which would possibly dictate the script that is chosen.

If Abrams only co-writes and produces while turning over the directing duties, I keep hearing that Matt Reeves will take up that task. But I think a better choice would be Jack Bender. Bender directed more episodes of Lost than anyone else and as such he has a great relationship with Damon Lindelof from Lost and is now helping to write this script. I know my notion of having a television director take on a studio franchise with a huge budget will leave me open to mockery but I stand by my opinion. The episodes of Lost that Bender directed were the slickest one's, had the best character stories/moments, and great action for a television show. Give the guy a chance, he could pull a Nicholas Meyer without trying to follow up a dud like Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

As for storylines, DO NOT use Khan. That would more than likely be underwhelming and as we said, that can't happen. Either go the safe route and introduce Klingons. That, or does anyone remember the episode of Voyager that saw Voyager come across evolved, humanoid Dinasours. To hell with this episode already using this storyline. No one gives a **** about Voyager anyway. So I propose that the movie features the Gorn from the original series episode "Arena". And have the Gorn be revealed as humanoid Dinasours. I know is also a knockoff of the original series, but with the advancement in film technology and the added dinasour storyline would blow the original episode away.

As for the final film in a possible trilogy, use have Kirk and the Enterprise go up against Section 31. Somehow, find out that Section 31 caused Romulus to explode in the 24th Century and altering the timeline. The Enterpise crew then sets out to stop Section 31 in the 23rd Century and restore the original timeline while savivng Kirks father along with Vulcan and Romulus.

I don't like the idea of using humanoid dinosaurs or Section 31. Section 31 was a Deep Space Nine phenomenon. I'm not fond of classic Trek taking villains/aliens from the later series. It almost suggests they have nothing good of their own or can't come up with a new villain/race. Section 31, without the likes of Bashir, Sloane etc in the mix would seem like something completely different... so why not use something completely different?

Abrams, I think, doesn't want to use the Klingons as villains, because he doesn't want to "demonize" them again after they've been shown as heroes (or allies) later on. It would be a step backwards. Of course, that doesn't mean that there can't be a rogue faction of the Klingons, or a group who don't see eye to eye with the Federation.

The Gorn aren't bad as an enemy, but I don't think I would want to see a CGI villain to be honest. It would have to be a man in a suit or with excellent make up to take me completely out of the story. In "Enterprise", I think they tried to do a Gorn at least once using CGI, and it didn't look very good at all. It ran about without any weight and did look more like a dinosaur from Jurassic Park or something.

There are other enemies Kirk and Co can fight, without it having to be someone like Khan. Some have mentioned that there aren't many left and cite the likes of Trelane or Harry Mudd. Well Trelane could be updated into a more sinister, Q-like entity, and Mudd wouldn't have to be a full villain but just a rogue. Nevertheless, there are other characters who could be villains like Galt ("The Gamesters of Triskelion"), Gary Mitchell ("Where No Man Has Gone Before"), Captain Ron Tracey ("The Omega Glory"), or Balok ("The Corbomite Maneuver") to name but a few.

I know Balok turned out to be just a scary stand in for that baby-looking alien, but that could be changed here. I always thought it would be cool if the scary Balok could have been an actual villain. His ship was also invincible, like the Borg, and was only able to be brought to a standstill by Kirk's "corbomite maneuver"). Having Balok would give us relentless, almost unbeatable enemy without having to resort to the Borg, and keeping it within classic Trek lore.

Or there's always the Tholians.
 
I disagree with all of this. Plus, I'm not to confident Orci and Kurtzman can just create a villain and hope to make him as compelling as Khan is. They are not that good of screenwriters IMO. The character of Nero could have been so much better than he was.

I wasn't saying I believe they can write a character as good as Khan was. Let's face it, even though he isn't that well known to the general public anymore, he's still ranked pretty high in the list of "best villains of all time" by film nerds and such. My point was that Khan wouldn't effect the box office of the movie by garnering interest before it's released because he isn't that well known anymore. Having him in the movie would be no different then if you have a completley new villain in the movie that's very well written. The bonus would come after the movie is released and people see how good the villain is.

However, one thing I'm curious about, if you don't trust the screenwriters to create a new compelling villain (and I agree, Nero wasn't all that great) then why would you want them to handle Khan? There's a chance they wouldn't handle him all that well.
 
There is no way Trek and MOS are going to head to head the same weekend, so let's get that out of our heads right now. They will be released at least two weekends apart at the very least.

Remember, that Trek maybe squeezed by both WB's The Hobbit and Man Of Steel, which would not be a good thing for you Trek fans in here.

WB's should try and snag the Dec 21st or Dec 28th weekend release dates for MOS as soon as they can. Then release Hobbit during Thanksgiving weekend, Dec 7th or 14th, or whatever equals two full weekends apart from MOS or push Hobbit back to June as one of their 2013 tentpoles.
 
Lazy doesn't exactly translate to music video... it would litereally be him laying on the couch for the duration of the video.
 
Lazy doesn't exactly translate to music video... it would litereally be him laying on the couch for the duration of the video.
i'd beg to differ...Bruno talks about sitting on the couch with a snuggie, doing the dougie, not combing his hair, and strutting in the nude. also, you could easily show him doing P90x, having sex, getting an education in a dream sequence then Nimoy waving his hand to disolve that sequence as if it were smoke. the song even mentions putting his hand in his pants doing the Al Bundy, and who wouldn't wanna see Nimoy do that??? bah...whatever, i gave up on music videos a while ago anyway.
 
Nimoy has been "coming out of retirement" constantly these days.

I feel like Paramount has whiffed on a lot of the momentum they got from Star Trek 2009. I know the crew are all busy guys but it seems like they have spread themselves thin in a lot of projects. And now we risk getting a rushed product because they are just NOW putting it together. I just wish they made the new sequel a higher priority.
 
The Romulans and the Vulcans want control or claim it over a colony now being resettled by the Vulcans and must be protected by the Federation.
 
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