Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, it's 5 seasons in and it's a British TV show? The ones I tend to watch last like 2 seasons at most.

 

[wiegeabo]

Heh. I know. Just look at Jekyll.

Six episodes a season for 5 seasons. That's a heck of a run on the BBC. I think only Doctor Who and Top Gear get that type of treatment.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'm probably in the minority here but I liked the finale.

 

[wiegeabo]

Ok, not a horrible episode. Actually, I thought it was pretty good, although fast. But not really a series finale. Seems like it was supposed to only be a season finale, or that they had planned to use it at the end of next season after a bunch of buildup in episodes about the Wraith planning something big

Spoiler

(ZPM Hive ship)

. Either way, I think the cancellation caught the writers off guard.

This should have really been a two parter.

Spoiler

The first half all about stopping the new Hive ship and then ending with the discovery that the Wraith now know the location of Earth.
The second half trying to stop them and all their efforts failing until the end when Atlantis shows up. Much like the season 6 two-part premier of SG1 when Anubus tried blowing up the gate.

As for Atlantis showing up, the only problem I have is that they never mentioned the wormhole drive before. Had they done it in, say, the first couple of episodes, with Rodney failing to get it working, it would have been better. We could also have had a scene with Radick finally getting to hold something over Rodney (getting the drive to work). I would also have liked to have seen the drive in operation.

 

[Sam Fisher]

At least we're getting a Atlantis movie.

 

[wiegeabo]

2 movies, right?

 

[Sam Fisher]

I think so. The first one is supposed to air this year{or at least Sci Fi wants it to}. We're also getting another SG1 movie.


And before anyone goes off blaming Sci Fi for cancelling Atlantis, it was the prodcuers' and MGM's decision.

 

[wiegeabo]

Wait...we're getting a third SG1 movie?!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Wait...we're getting a third SG1 movie?!

Yes. It's going to center around O'neill.

 

[Superfreak]

One of those shows where you wish you could unwatch it all so you can watch it all over again?

I just watched the whole series a little while ago... still brilliant... and it's one of the few sci fi shows that actually got a full budget for it's finale, in which you will not be dissappointed

 

[Superfreak]

I saw it already. Trust me it's not. Far from it.

Don't worry 'bout PuddleJumper67... he's just a cheap advertiser... since he's arrived on this thread, I don't think he/she has actually posted anything other than promotion

 

[BlackLantern]

I watched 'Vegas' last night, and I really enjoyed it....I guess it's also a treat for the production staff because they get to incorporate music into a show that is basically all instrumental

 

[Superfreak]

I watched 'Vegas' last night, and I really enjoyed it....I guess it's also a treat for the production staff because they get to incorporate music into a show that is basically all instrumental

honestly it feels like they watched the S1 finale to Sarah Conner Chronicles, and went, 'hey, we should use some JC on SGA'. That's how it felt atleast

 

[BlackLantern]

Let's take stock....10 years of SG-1, 5 years of Atlantis, plenty of characters aliens and all that....considering this all sprung from an underappreciated mid 90s film....what do you all feel is Stargates contribution to the genre?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Humor. Stargate has contributed self-referential humor. It's been totally unafraid of exposing the inherent silliness of common sci-fi tropes and turning them into mildly satirical, affectionate jokes.

Yes. It's going to center around O'neill.

Holy snapplecrap, that's awesome. I didn't expect to see O'Neill in the Stargate universe ever again.

 

[BlackLantern]

He had one of the best lines in Continuum - "watch the bad guy get executed and then there's cake"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and I thought that bit part was the last we'd see of him. I'm glad he'll be taking a more prominent role in the next SG-1 movie. The Stargate universe hasn't been the same without him.

 

[Superfreak]

Humor. Stargate has contributed self-referential humor. It's been totally unafraid of exposing the inherent silliness of common sci-fi tropes and turning them into mildly satirical, affectionate jokes.

indeed, but I think in the SG1 7+ years, including atlantis, maybe took the concept a little too far. I did enjoy the irony, and so did the characters, of the ease of their escapes and success of their far fetched plans . But the joke wore a little thin after a while. Most especially without RDA to deliver the sarcastic remarks.

I think what Stargate did that was novel, was setting a grand space opera, in our contemporary world, under the guise that this secret is so big, the general human population couldn't deal with the reality. Essentially our present, in a futuristic scifi setting. Novel indeed.

 

[joke]

What interested me about SG-1 most was that it was just the Air Force with contemporary human weapons against aliens. They didn't have insanely advanced technology or spaceships, they just sort of managed to handle the situation. Plus every time they actually did find some new technology to counter the Goa'ulds, the Goa'ulds in turn came up with something more powerful. The way they also tied culture and history, especially Egyptian, into the story was great.

SG-1 will always be superior to Atlantis, even though it started to drop in quality when season 8 rolled in and no, it's not *just* because RDA left. The Ori were a disappointment in my eyes, Mitchell was just O'Neill-lite and the human tech just got out of hand.

 

[Goddessreicho]

So um...what happened with Teyla's baby and husband man, or um TODD! Don't tell me that we're supposed to swallow Teyla being a'ok with the fact that Baby is in another galaxy in which there is no hope of returning to...

And I will end this mini rant with, Todd enjoy your permanent stay in San Fran. But's its cool, it's not like you weren't written in a show before without an explanation *cough* CSI: Atlantis *cough*

 

[wiegeabo]

So um...what happened with Teyla's baby and husband man, or um TODD! Don't tell me that we're supposed to swallow Teyla being a'ok with the fact that Baby is in another galaxy in which there is no hope of returning to...

And I will end this mini rant with, Todd enjoy your permanent stay in San Fran. But's its cool, it's not like you weren't written in a show before without an explanation *cough* CSI: Atlantis *cough*

Wait, what do you mean? Atlantis isn't permanently stuck on Earth. They just need to effect repairs, and probably get a new ZPM (which the ships have).

And I don't remember them saying where Teyla's baby was. I remember in one episode it was with the father on another world. But in a later one, he was back with Teyla on Atlantis. So he could be there now.

And Todd was introduced in the episode where Sheppard was captured by the Genii. They used Todd to torture Sheppard until the two decided to work together to escape. Todd almost killed Sheppard by draining him, then returned his life to him. Sheppard's actions is what made Todd marginally sympathetic to the humans.

 

[BlackLantern]

I liked Mitchell, he did have some O'Neil-ish traits, but both had similar military careers....but there are things he did that made the character his own....and I have a bit of a hetero man crush on Ben Browder

 

[wiegeabo]

I liked Mitchell, he did have some O'Neil-ish traits, but both had similar military careers....but there are things he did that made the character his own....and I have a bit of a hetero man crush on Ben Browder

It's his voice. It gets to you...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Browder gave a good performance, but Mitchell as a character never seemed to have any purpose. Okay, he's a big fanboy and he brings SG-1 back together after they've split up. Cool. But what does he actually contribute? They say he's an ace pilot who never gives up, but then they never have him actually pilot anything (as opposed to Sheppard, who flies something in just about every episode) and no one on the team gives up, so that's moot. They gave him that super-nifty martial arts training from that hidden Jaffa tribe, but then he still got his ass kicked in like every episode after that. Really, the only distinctive thing Mitchell ever did was use a bigger gun than the P90 in some episodes.

 

[BlackLantern]

I have really liked the evolution of technology as the series has gone on....from the X-301 and that whole issue, to the F-302 and the big ships like the Odyssey and the Daedalus...and the hesitation that came with it....characters didn't just accept the big shiny toys

anyone pick up on the conversation that Sheppard was having with Col. Caldwell about the Odyssey being on some super secret mission that no one is supposed to know about??