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I think it's safe and simple enough to say that both Young and Rush were both wrong with how they handled each individual situation that brought them to the end of the last episode.

But I kind of like that about this show. We don't have any black or white characters. There is no main "bad guy" so to speak of that the show can use as it's primary villain.

It's just the people, and the conflict that happens amongst people when a situation as bad as being stranded so far away from home comes into play.

just wish that concept was played upon in all 10 episodes, not just the 1st and the 10th, with nothing too fab in the middle. I mean there was lots to talk about after the premier, and there's lots to talk about after this finale, but in the intervening time, I wasn't really impressed with what was delivered (other than the nice F/X visuals which really have nothing to do with the story other than being pretty). A little more consistency in epi quality, and a little less single serving inanity, are things that would make me happy.
 
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I have to agree with you on that. At first it took me a while to come around to the idea that the show was perhaps a little slow with not much going on, but after a good taste in the first and latest episode like you say...let's hope that things pick up.

And to be honest I wouldn't mind if they even introduced a proper recurring villain for the show, maybe by the end of season 1 and heading into season 2.
 
You say that it doesn't matter how valuable you are, or that other people did worse things than you to hurt the group's survival chances, or that you are a human being and still have rights. If you mess with the commander, you deserve to DIE.
Is that what I said? I thought I said that Rush had endangered everyone's life with his antics and ALSO had framed the commander of thier group for murder....and then when confronted with this fact he basicly said he would continue to do so....thus continuing to endanger the lives of everyone on board.

Ok, I just don't agree with that. And since Young lied about what he did and feels the need to cover it up, then I have a feeling somewhere down the line, other characters won't agree with him either.
You have a right to not agree with it....but under martial law rules...it is the way things are. Even if someone doesn't like a rule...they have to follow it until it is changed. Rush refused to follow the rules.

In emergency conditions such as Destiny, a field commander has the authority suspend due process if he believe the threat or crime is severe enough, and can even order and carry out summary executions. What Rush did was at the very least mutiny, which is a crime punishable by death in the military. Young was well within his rights to leave Rush behind.

Now, once he gets back to Earth, he can still be prosecuted. And if they determine his actions weren't warranted, and he abused his authority, he will be punished. And if not, he'll be absolved of any crime (although it's a good bet that the Air Force would strongly 'suggest' he take early retirement and an honorable discharge so they don't have to deal with him anymore).
Absolutely. If they make it back....Young can be brought up on charges and then the military will decide what to do with him....until then, he is in charge.

Young doesn't have the luxury of time nor supplies to try and keep Rush around (as in lock him up), whilst he tries to figure out Rush's endgame. The fact that Rush knows about the ship makes him even more dangerous as a prisoner, as no room in the ship is likely to contain him.

Beyond that, the bottomline is, if the commanding officer of an already shaky expedition, or one of his own fellow scientists means nothing more than an annoyance in the way of Rush's goals [whatever those may be], then Young has no reason to believe that Rush wouldn't sacrifice anyone else on the ship just as quickly, maybe except for Eli. Especially when Rush is willing to admit that he won't stop trying to do whatever he's trying to do...which he won't tell anyone.

LadyVader: What's with this, "mess with the commander" bull-crap? I take it you have never been in the military, nor in a pressure situation [like combat] such as the SGU personnel are in. I have been in both. You have NO idea how important a strong, commanding presence is in that situation. What I mean by that, by "messing with the commander," you ARE messing with the rest of the crew as well. Not to mention Rush HAS messed with everyone else in an uncountable number of ways...not just "the commander." Not the least of which is, the fact that he's the reason they're all even stranded where they are.
Right. They are short on supplies and don't need to be constantly on the lookout for one of thier own to screw with them.

What is this I keep hearing about "combat situation". They're not fighting a war. What they are is stranded on a space ship. Yes you may need the military fire power to KEEP the people calm, but in order to survive on a FREAKING space ship, military regulations, the chain of command and weaponry are not gonna do diddly squat for you if you don't know how to operate the technology. And they just marooned the one guy who knew how to do that better than anybody, thereby lowering everybody's chances to survive.
They were on a secret military mission when they were attacked by aliens (who destroyed the entire planet they were on)....they then transported to an alien ship where they are currently unable to return to any area that is in contact with the Earth. That is a "combat situation".

They marooned the one guy who CLAIMS to know how to do it.... he has mislead them about the information he does or doesn't know, thereby lowering everyone's chances of survival.

And once again I feel the need to point out that Spencer SHOULDN'T have had that gun! He shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a gun. Rush took advantage of a situation created by a military blunder. Sure, that doesn't excuse what he did but I'm just saying. If Young was such a great leader, he would've restricted Spencer's access to weapons and defused the situation before it happened.

Young may have restricted his access (as far as I know at this point, having just seen the episode one time)....but the old adage is true....if someone really wants to commit suicide, they will find a way to do it.
 
Young may have restricted his access (as far as I know at this point, having just seen the episode one time)....but the old adage is true....if someone really wants to commit suicide, they will find a way to do it.

True. If he couldn't get a gun, he'd have slit his wrists or something.
 
They could have had him sit in the chair if they'd known lol
 
True. If he couldn't get a gun, he'd have slit his wrists or something.

Or an Airlock or two ;)

Just saw the "Justice" ep, wow the ending with Young beating seven shades of ***** out of Rush wasn't what I was expecting Young too do, and the way they shown it was alittle hard to watch (which adds to the "realness" compared to overdramaic fight scenes we have seen in SG-1/SGA and Sci-fi in general).

The ship at the end of the ep is
defo the same model of ship that was seen at the end of Air part 3, not so sure what this could mean for Rush and Destiny tho...
 
They could have had him sit in the chair if they'd known lol

see, logic at last.

one thing that dissappointed me so far, is the pathetic use of the communication stones. They've been on the ship for a while, and most of the stone use has been for 'personal vacations'. They used them in the one episode to get experts on board. I think this should have been used more in first 10 episodes. Doctors, psychologists, other experts to help the people on board survive... rather than experts focused solely on getting them home.

that being said, I'd also find the show much more enjoyable without the stones at all. There has just been too much use of them in the opening 10.

I'm giving this first half of the season a 60%, a C-. Had a strong opening and close, and the opening arc was interesting. But as soon as they moved away from the ship doing things on its own, things stagnated a lot. There is still a lot of potential in the show... I hope they tap into it, and move away from the simple gimmicks, like the stones.
 
Same.

I was so bummed when I found out the new KOTOR was an MMO on PC only !
 
You have a right to not agree with it....but under martial law rules...it is the way things are. Even if someone doesn't like a rule...they have to follow it until it is changed. Rush refused to follow the rules.
So did Spencer but he didn't break THE GOLDEN rule apparently.

They marooned the one guy who CLAIMS to know how to do it....

Claims? Is he not the one that TOLD Young that people running around turning on crap is bad for the ship? Is he not the one that figured out how to get that rescue ship back to Destiny at the end of the Light episode? Is he not the one that Young came to when he needed to get the SGC and the IOA off his back by tinkering with the ship's systems?

There is no CLAIMING about it. He IS the most technologically able person on the ship and the most likely to eventually lean how to operate its systems properly. But all that is thrown out the window because apparently even in space military force trumps knowledge.

Right. They are short on supplies and don't need to be constantly on the lookout for one of thier own to screw with them.

Yeah, good thing Spencer killed himself. Oops, I mean, good thing Rush was abandoned.
 
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Yeeeeah, if it was martial law, they couldn't have put a journalist in command. I don't buy that by a long shot.
 
? i don't get you ?

Oh... I'm attempting to question this:

I'm not planning on rewatching all the episodes to get specifics to back up or refute all my original points....but the basic complaint can't be argued....Rush tried to frame Young for murder....in normal conditions that warrants decades in jail....in a martial law situation, being stranded and not executed means he was lucky.

I don't think they're under Martial Law, and Ming Na's character being in charge proves that it is not. I think the idea of Martial Law, and what would be standard procedure in such a case should be taken out of the discussion.
 
She's not a journalist, she's the head of human resources for Icarus Base. And Young voluntarily gave her command, which I imagine would be his prerogative under martial law. And the situation with the SGC is pretty complicated due to the joint oversight by the USAF and the IOA, so who's to say what "standard procedure" would be for them?
 
She's not a journalist, she's the head of human resources for Icarus Base. And Young voluntarily gave her command, which I imagine would be his prerogative under martial law. And the situation with the SGC is pretty complicated due to the joint oversight by the USAF and the IOA, so who's to say what "standard procedure" would be for them?

ok,that's what he was talking about, i was like "what journalist? I'm so confused"


But on the point: they're not under martial law, clearly, there isn't any sort of law ruling the people on the ship. Otherwise Rush would have been punished a number of times, suicide guy would be in deep for threatening Mr. *****e bag chair guy. Suicide guy would also be in trouble for the hording. Yeah, they locked him up in a room for a while, but for how long, an hour? What kind of punishment is that, when your trapped in a giant flying coffin?

I honestly don't think there is any type of law being used aboard the ship.
 
Yeah, it seems like there isn't a standardized system of law on the ship other than the vestiges from modern American civilization that they all came from. Basically, it's whatever the leader says goes, so long as they can get the people onboard to follow them. That's why Young is trying to lead through mutual respect, I imagine, rather than just throwing his military underlings at people.
 
Yeah, it seems like there isn't a standardized system of law on the ship other than the vestiges from modern American civilization that they all came from. Basically, it's whatever the leader says goes, so long as they can get the people onboard to follow them. That's why Young is trying to lead through mutual respect, I imagine, rather than just throwing his military underlings at people.

you know, one of the things that made me happy about Atlantis was the international crew... seems to have been done away with for SGU. Everyone seems to be American, apart from the all knowing british guy.
 
It does seem to be a more US-centric bunch. But there are a lot of ethnicities, at least, if not actual people from different countries.
 
wait..so when it comes back in march that will be season two?
 
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