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I think Venom is a rubbish character (EBJ version).

I actually liked the clone saga.

I liked the Ben Reilly twist (that he was the real Peter Parker).
Ditko rather than the Romita's (Snr/Jnr) is Spider-Man's best ever artist.

Roger Stern rather than Stan Lee is Spider-Man's best ever writer.
 
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SM3 was not that bad. ASM2 is by far the second best sm movie behind sm2 and not not chessy was less chessy then the other sm movies and harry has goblin was not rushed. I don't understand the hate for asm2 and I never will. There is not a bad sm movie yet. ASM2 and SM2 are the only great sm movies. ASM1 sm3 and sm1 are all just slightly good. Sm 1 is just slightly good has the movie has not aged while and asm1, sm3 and sm1 are all very close when it comes to how good they are.
 
Hobgoblin aside, there hasn't been a good Spider-Man villain created since the Lee/Ditko run.
 
Spider-Man in high school makes for the worst stories.
 
Peter Parker has not evolved as a character since he was a teenager. Which is why he is constantly rebooted back to that age in the comics (ultimate Universe), in the movies and in the animated shows.
 
Gwen Stacy was boring in 616 after her father's death story.
Spider-Man in high school makes for the worst stories.
The Ditko issues with High School Spidey are good, he had his *****e moments, but those were really fine.
 
Norman Osborn should have stayed dead.

Ultimate Spider-Man comics were only good for the first 60 issues. When the Carnage arc started the series went to hell and never recovered.
 
I don't like Venom, or any of the symbiotes. The only good symbiote host other than Peter Parker is Flash Thompson.

I like the Denny O'Neil run in the comics.
 
I don't really have much to add to what has already been said, as I agree with a lot of it.

Venom sucks, Norman should have stayed dead, Ultimate Spider-Man sucked after the first few dozen issues, etc.

One thing that I know I won't have many people agreeing with me on, is that the 90s Fox Spider-Man show is overrated. It is pretty good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't an all-time great cartoon along the likes of BTAS, like is often said. The animation wasn't great. The censorship issues were extremely problematic (Spidey can't even throw punches most of the time). And some iconic villains (such as Dr. Octopus) were used poorly. I think much of the love is purely nostalgia. Personally, I think Spectacular Spider-Man is way better.
 
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^I definitely agree with that, a good fun animated series, but not much more.
 
I think Slott's Spider-Man/Human Torch is a masterpiece but he has badly lost his way on Amazing Spider-Man. Is this an unpopular opinion? I doubt it at this point.

Outside of the comics, Spectacular Spider-Man is THE best incarnation of the character.

JMS run on Amazing was brilliant and the horrible (HORRIBLE!) Norman/Gwen hook up shouldn't wash away how good that run was.
 
Peter Parker has not evolved as a character since he was a teenager. Which is why he is constantly rebooted back to that age in the comics (ultimate Universe), in the movies and in the animated shows.

I don't see your point. Almost every character is rebooted to their initial age whenever someone starts a new ongoing continuity in comics, movies, or TV shows. It's for the same reason why Batman and Superman always start in their 20's, Iron Man in his late 30's, X-Men in their teens, etc. The idea is that if you want to tell multiple stories over a long period of time, you need them to start young so they age well.

I do agree writers in recent years have hindered Peter's development, but I don't see how any new continuity is indicative of that, or at least more indicative than any other superhero with a new continuity.
 
I'm surprised to see that some would prefer Norman Osborn to stay dead. It's one of the very few cases that I'm very glad a "dead" character returned.

I don't think Carnage is as terrible of a villain as most Spider-Man fans think he is. I'm fully aware that he's an extremely one dimensional character, but I'm embracing it. It's not like I'd ever want him in a Spider-Man film, it's just that when it comes to Spider-Man's rogues gallery, I like that Carnage exists, for the sake of variety. It's also not like I like him as a character on his own, but rather that among all the tragic and more human villains, I like that there is a crazy, mass murdering psychopath in the mix just to add some variety. I mean, true, bloodthirsty psychopaths are very much real in our world, so it makes sense. And it's a pretty good concept that a creature like the symbiote attaches to such a psychopath. I really dislike the other symbiote spawns though, and I don't want Carnage to pop up too often either.
 
Humberto Ramos is the absolutely WORST Spider-Man artist EVER, bar none...

Venom and Carnage should NEVER have been Spider-Man villains... they're more suited as Avengers villains...

Spider-Man should have NEVER became an Avenger... he's a LONER...

The Clone Saga should never have happened at all... the clone concept should have never been introduced even back in the 70's... a totally mishandled storyline due to internal bulls**t at Marvel...

Spider-Man should have NEVER gotten his six arms way back when... that's the first real time the book got ridiculous...

Jack Kirby should have never done the cover of Amazing Fantasy #15... he's done everyone else that I can think of masterfully, but he's NEVER been able to master Spider-Man...

the Spider-Man title should have never been restarted with new numbering EVER, but should have continued on numerically and correctly thru the years...

history and continuity in the book should NEVER be ignored or forgotten or brushed aside, just to satisfy the whims of editors or writers or the fans themselves... retro-fitting is fine, but only if it appropriately adds to existing past continuity where it makes logical sense and not where it takes something away or incorrectly alters and tampers with established facts... today's creative teams and readers seem to have forgotten that and don't give a s**t about it all...
 
I like the Hobgoblin more than I like the Green Goblin.

I think Doc Ock rather than the Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch nemesis.

Other than the first Secret Wars I haven't liked Spider-Man in any crossover outside of crossovers in the Spidey universe.

I enjoyed the live action Spider-Man TV series.

Spider-Man spider sense has got to be one of the most inconsistent plot devices since Kryptonite. It's too powerful, too weak or plain ignored if the plot requires Spidey is taken unawares.

Spider-Man should wipe the floor with any human combatant regardless of how skilful. Daredevil, Shang Shi, Electra, etc. Yet still, not only do this fighters hold their own with someone who is faster than average human by a factor of 15 and can sense danger, they often get the better of him.
 
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Humberto Ramos is the absolutely WORST Spider-Man artist EVER, bar none...

Not just Spidey. Heck, I think he had a big role in Runaways getting cancelled (sales dropped a ton when he got put on the book and never recovered). I'm still pissed off at that. I can't stand his art.

the Spider-Man title should have never been restarted with new numbering EVER, but should have continued on numerically and correctly thru the years...

I hate it when Marvel does that. It makes life really difficult when looking for back issues.
 
John Byrne's run was a disgrace but I like how Spider-Man and Doc Ock were created in the same accident.

I enjoyed 'The Other'. The only thing I didn't like was the new powers Spidey received. Other than that, I enjoyed the storyline.
 
I actually think Spider-Man is a pretty difficult character to write. Unlike Daredevil and Batman normal humans aren't going to put up much of a fight, so the villains he fights have to be super powered, much harder to create than simply giving a crook a gun. Spider-Man is also a 'light' character so if you take his plotlines to dark places before long people will call foul and demand to brighten up the plotlines. It's a shame because imho Spidey's greatest ever graphic novel is Kraven's last hunt and the Death of Jean Dewolf and you don't get much darker than that.

As much as it pains me to say it, in the past decade I've enjoyed reading Daredevil and Batman graphic novels far more because of the dark and suspenseful nature of the comics rather than the whimsical nature of Spider-Man.
 
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I agree about the spider sense. I think that's another reason why Spider-Man must be pretty difficult to write. Unless you're very clever in how you get around it, the spider sense makes Spider-Man kinda overpowered. At the same time, you want the villain to put up a good fight. You can see this problem in the films too because of how inconsistent it is.

Personally, I dislike the most how it's used in the recent games where it works as a radar. It should never function that way. That's what his spider tracers are for (now that would be a fun game mechanism). How is anyone supposed to put up a fight with someone who has super reflexes, a sixth sense AND a radar to see behind walls? The spider-sense should only work as an alarm. And definitely not in the way of TASM (the film) where he senses danger on the bridge when he's at Stacy's. It should be an alarm of danger directly at him.

Speaking of the games, I hate how they treat him as a stealth-guy. Sure, he sneaks many times, but when taking down armed crooks he should mostly go straight up and "play" with them.
 
There hasn't been a good Spider-Man game since Spider-Man on the Playstation and SM2 on Playstation 2.
 
Let's see....

Venom sucks. Check.
Norman should have stayed dead. Yup. Check.
USM losing it's momentum at around issue #60. Check.
Organic webshooters rock. Hahahaha. Um, no.

I'll also add, I am not a fan of Ditko's art. I greatly prefer Romita.

Hobgoblin aside, there hasn't been a good Spider-Man villain created since the Lee/Ditko run.

Is this an unpopular opinion? Cause I pretty much agree with it.

One thing that I know I won't have many people agreeing with me on, is that the 90s Fox Spider-Man show is overrated. It is pretty good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't an all-time great cartoon along the likes of BTAS, like is often said. The animation wasn't great. The censorship issues were extremely problematic (Spidey can't even throw punches most of the time). And some iconic villains (such as Dr. Octopus) were used poorly. I think much of the love is purely nostalgia. Personally, I think Spectacular Spider-Man is way better.

There's lots of things that make the 90's cartoon 'dated.' I really don't want to use that word cause I think it gets overused when talking about certain things but imo it does fit here with regard to certain elements. The animation itself is still pretty good even though the show is 20 something years old and it captures some neat stuff from the comics. However, the 'dated' part is just about everything that you mentioned but it's stuff that has been holding the show back since it was created mostly due to the censorship issues.

Spidey not being able to throw punches, not really being able to take a hit and becoming too weak to fight (both of these cause the action sequences to be very stale), not being able to mention death, weird looking laser guns cause real guns were denied, etc. Also the censors caused other changes such as Morbius not being able to 'suck' out the plasma, he used his hands instead.

Other issues include, reusing animations and/or sequences frequently, some very noticeable overacting, (CDB was pretty solid but there's some stuff in the black suit arc that's just downright cringeworthy), too much Kingpin, some bad story design, etc.

So, yeah, I think the 90's series does get overrated. I still love the series and watch it every so often but most of that love does come from nostalgia.

And...don't get me started on TSSM. I think I talk about it too much already.

I'm surprised to see that some would prefer Norman Osborn to stay dead. It's one of the very few cases that I'm very glad a "dead" character returned.

Oh, do tell, Oz. I'd love to hear some reasons for your like of that topic, especially when many others including myself think the opposite.

Spider-Man spider sense has got to be one of the most inconsistent plot devices since Kryptonite. It's too powerful, too weak or plain ignored if the plot requires Spidey is taken unawares.

Spider-Man should wipe the floor with any human combatant regardless of how skilful. Daredevil, Shang Shi, Electra, etc. Yet still, not only do this fighters hold their own with someone who is faster than average human by a factor of 15 and can sense danger, they often get the better of him.

Ok....so, correct me if I'm wrong but Spider-Man's spider sense does warn him of danger but it's not an exact science. It has varying levels of 'danger' and can sometimes be a hinderance to him...really powerful tingling can almost be painful to him and when it's coming from different directions it can be difficult for Peter to determine where the danger is coming from. It's also my understanding that his spidey sense will allow him to dodge almost anything up to and including automatic gunfire however if he overrides the autonomic reflexes, the spidey sense won't help him. He can also choose to ignore it. It can also not work properly when he's sick, injured, or fatigued.

As for villains, GG used some gas to throw off his sense so he could track him and learn his identity. I guess, I like story elements like that cause it shows the villains being creative. Other villains like the symbiote or even the Jackal were able to avoid being detected because they were at once point 'friends' to Peter. I think too Kraven used some kind of a jungle scent to nullify his spidey sense.

I agree this does make the writing of Spider-Man a difficult thing cause it gives him a great amount of power but it also can be a crutch to him as well and when you tackle it in a creative way it can make for some really interesting stuff.

Also, isn't Daredevil more than just a human? He's got enhanced senses, superhuman if I'm not mistaken and although he doesn't have superhuman strength, he's a complete martial arts badass. I can buy DD getting the better of Spidey especially if Peter's head is not in the game.
 

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