World State your unpopular Spider-Man related opinion

[spider-neil]

And...don't get me started on TSSM. I think I talk about it too much already.

Please, let's hear about SSM, because I think that is as good as it gets with the writing and handling of Spider-Man. But then this is the unpopular opinion thread.

I agree this does make the writing of Spider-Man a difficult thing cause it gives him a great amount of power but it also can be a crutch to him as well and when you tackle it in a creative way it can make for some really interesting stuff.

Also, isn't Daredevil more than just a human? He's got enhanced senses, superhuman if I'm not mistaken and although he doesn't have superhuman strength, he's a complete martial arts badass. I can buy DD getting the better of Spidey especially if Peter's head is not in the game.

I think people dismiss the X15 faster than a normal human. A human with no superhuman reflexes would LITERALLY look like they are moving in slow motion to Spider-Man and then add precognition sense danger. Given those parameters how could a human put up a fight with Spider-Man? That would be like Spider-Man putting up a decent fight against The Flash.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I think people dismiss the X15 faster than a normal human. A human with no superhuman reflexes would LITERALLY look like they are moving in slow motion to Spider-Man and then add with precognition sense danger. Given those parameters how could a human put up a fight with Spider-Man? That would be like Spider-Man putting up a decent fight against The Flash.

I agree to an extent. For example, I really hate it when normal humans are able to put up a fight against Spidey or even be faster than him in video games (I'm looking at you ninjas in SM3). According to his stat sheet--that should never happen. But...this is still comics and they take liberty with many different stats and other credentials. Like how has Batman bested so many 'supers?' Really it just comes to down to the writer and they can manipulate things how ever they want.

Here's how I interpret the x15 agility. It's a rough analogy but please bear with me here. Ok, so, when you are looking at a car and checking the stat sheet, it may say, this particular car has 500 horsepower (hp). And look at another one and that car has 360 hp. Now, just by those stats you'd say the 500 hp car would easily best the 360 hp car in a race. Well, not necessarily. There's other factors to consider. First, the hp differs along the RPMs. It's not a constant 500 hp across the board. The peak hp might be at 3600 RPMs for example but at 1500 RPMs the car is only pushing about 250 hp. And maybe the other car reaches its max hp at 1500 RPMs meaning it will have greater speed before the other car reaches it's max. And maybe the lesser car has all wheel drive, is lighter, corners better, has better tuning, etc. So, in essence just because the car with 500 hp is greater than the 360 hp, doesn't mean it will win.

With Spidey it says on average he is x15 faster than the normal human. But, there are other factors too. What's his mental state at the time of the encounter--is he preoccupied with other things? Is he tired or injured? And there are humans who are faster than what is considered normal. I guess what I'm saying is just because 'stat sheet' says so, doesn't always mean it's gonna be that way, all the time. I don't consider it a constant value. There can be other factors.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Please, let's hear about SSM, because I think that is as good as it gets with the writing and handling of Spider-Man. But then this is the unpopular opinion thread.

TSSM is my favorite anything Spider-Man, and in some cases, it is better than the comics. I have some very minor quibbles about the show but otherwise, it's fantastic.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Any non-superhuman shouldn't even be able to harm Spider-Man. No matter how talented Daredevil is, even if he ever managed to land a punch on Spidey he would probably break his hand.

But comics aren't known for realism.

 

[sl500jazz]

JMS run on Amazing was brilliant and the horrible (HORRIBLE!) Norman/Gwen hook up shouldn't wash away how good that run was.

^ Agreed. Though I don't think it's in an unpopular opinion just how brilliant the first few years of JMS's run was. Some of the best writing the book had seen in a very long time. Slott's current work can't hold a candle to JMS's.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

TSSM is my favorite anything Spider-Man, and in some cases, it is better than the comics. I have some very minor quibbles about the show but otherwise, it's fantastic.

What cases are better than the comics?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

It's not that hard to be.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

With what? What parts of the comics do you mean? If you mean the whole thing then you are wrong.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

With what? What parts of the comics do you mean? If you mean the whole thing then you are wrong.

Not the whole thing. The original Amazing Spider-Manwas when Spidey was at his best. Now? It's just pure mystical and magic crap without any kind of logic around it. Sorry, I just don't like the current Spider-Man route.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Not the whole thing. The original Amazing Spider-Manwas when Spidey was at his best. Now? It's just pure mystical and magic crap without any kind of logic around it. Sorry, I just don't like the current Spider-Man route.

Mystical magical? Do you mean The Other? I don't think Spider-Man fans like that at all.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Mystical magical? Do you mean The Other? I don't think Spider-Man fans like that at all.

The Other, One More Day, Spider-Man Mind Transfusion with Dock Ock. There's also that arc where Spider-Man reborns because of that Queen that I don't remember her name.

I could continue with Sins Past but I think you understood what I mean. I prefer some logic over Spider-Man, instead of magic stuff because of some writer that couldn't handle his own writing. Take the aftermath of Civil War for an example, they revealed Peter's identity and how did they erased that? Magiiic disease...it's coming for youuuuuu (That's a nod to HISHE ASM2)

 

[UltimateWebhead]

What cases are better than the comics?

Off the top of my head...the origin of Sandman, the origin of Rhino, the entire story surrounding the mystery/reveal of the Green Goblin, the connection between Eddie and Peter and the eventual turn as Eddie is subdued and influenced by the symbiote. Also, I prefer the decision to make Montana the Shocker.

 

[spider-neil]

Probably not unpopular but I think the Amazing Spider-Man comic is desperate need of a shake up. Not a Spider-Ock gimmick but something to bring Spidey back to his core values.

Very unpopular, I think Spider-Man has far fewer 'great/classic' graphic novels than Batman or even Daredevil.

I don't like Black Cat is now a villain.

Romita Snr is not in my top 5 (possibly even top 7) Spider-Man artists.

Stan Lee isn't my number 1 Spider-Man writer (he is top 2, though).

Slott wrote my 2nd favourite Spider-Man graphic novel of all time (Spidey/Torch) but as a regular Spider-Man writer he isn't even in my top 10.

Spider-Man's core rogues are pretty are awesome but beyond that they are weak and I suspect that is why the core rogues are used again and again to the point over saturation but to be fair, you could say the same thing about Batman.
Spider-Man needs a writer who can take Spidey's lame villains and make them great. Look what Daredevil have done with The Spot for example.

Probably not an unpopular opinion but Spider-Man has the best costume in all of comics by absolute miles. It's perfection and an absolute work of art. The costume is so good that I'm even drawn to characters that have similar features like Deadpool and Grifter (the eyes).

 

[Spider-Aziz]

When it comes to Spider-Man of the year 2099, I prefer his brother from his mother, Gabriel. Turning him to the Goblin was the wrong thing to do.

Terry Kavanagh isn't too terrible.

Peter is nasty when it comes to girlfriends in Spectacular Spider-Man season 2.

When it comes to greatest superheroes within Marvel Universe stories, Spider-Man is not one of the greatest heroes, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Cyclops, and Professor X are all better than he is.

 

[spider-neil]

When it comes to greatest superheroes within Marvel Universe stories, Spider-Man is not one of the greatest heroes, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Cyclops, and Professor X are all better than he is.

He isn't number one with regards to stories in the MU but he is a hell of lot better than several on your list.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The Other, One More Day, Spider-Man Mind Transfusion with Dock Ock. There's also that arc where Spider-Man reborns because of that Queen that I don't remember her name.

I could continue with Sins Past but I think you understood what I mean. I prefer some logic over Spider-Man, instead of magic stuff because of some writer that couldn't handle his own writing. Take the aftermath of Civil War for an example, they revealed Peter's identity and how did they erased that? Magiiic disease...it's coming for youuuuuu (That's a nod to HISHE ASM2)

Well the Spider-Man mind transfusion with Dr. Octopus did not involve any magic. It was nano technology Ock created. Sins Past was not about magic either. It was just a bad story.

The aftermath of Civil War was he One More Day story. He made a deal with Mephisto and it cost him his marriage to MJ.

Off the top of my head...the origin of Sandman, the origin of Rhino, the entire story surrounding the mystery/reveal of the Green Goblin, the connection between Eddie and Peter and the eventual turn as Eddie is subdued and influenced by the symbiote. Also, I prefer the decision to make Montana the Shocker.

I don't think Oscorp making villain machine for Sandman and Rhino was better. Agreed about Green Goblin mystery and reveal, and Eddie Brock.

I didn't like Shocker being Montana. I prefer Herman Schultz.

 

[spider-neil]

I didn't like Shocker being Montana. I prefer Herman Schultz.

Just like Greg Wiseman said, what does Schultz bring to the table beyond his name?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

SSM did the High School aspect of Spider-Man extremely well.
It also has my favorite versions of Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen.
Tombstone is far better in the show than he is in the comics.

 

[spider-neil]

SSM and Avengers Earth's Mightiest actually made me feel like a kid again on Saturday Morning. I thought they were that good. Obviously not an unpopular opinion I just thought it was worth saying.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

despite what seems to be the general consensus around these parts, I don't think Slott is the be-all and end-all of Spider-Man writers... ever since he came to the book, I never HAVE found him to be the type of writer that I've enjoyed... everyone has their hits and misses and he's no different... he's just no big shakes to me and is extremely over-rated...

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Well the Spider-Man mind transfusion with Dr. Octopus did not involve any magic. It was nano technology Ock created. Sins Past was not about magic either. It was just a bad story.

The aftermath of Civil War was he One More Day story. He made a deal with Mephisto and it cost him his marriage to MJ.

Logic, that was my other complaint.

I know, that's the point that Spider-Man comics have reached.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Outside of the comics, Spectacular Spider-Man is THE best incarnation of the character.

Dude, I would hardly call that an unpopular opinion! I'd almost call it FACT!


By the way, I LOVE your avatar!

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I don't think Oscorp making villain machine for Sandman and Rhino was better.

Understandable. However, for me at least, the story in TSSM gave purpose to their creations rather than being an accidental occurrence (Sandman). Unlike what we're seeing in the ASM film series, Oscorp isn't this breeding ground for evil creations. It's just Norman manipulating the system and his desire for power. He's creating both the villains and the prisons to hold the villains. "You're getting paid coming and going"--Hammerhead to Norman. He also creates a fake Rhino spec so he can get large amounts of money from that auction. Obviously he's using Oscorp as the front for the tech to make the villains but that's where it ends. IMO, this gives more connection for the story and it all ties together so well. The villains had a purpose to keep Spider-Man 'busy'--and it was only amplified because both Marko and O'hirn were consistently webbed up by Spidey prior to their conversion.

Agreed about Green Goblin mystery and reveal, and Eddie Brock.

I didn't like Shocker being Montana. I prefer Herman Schultz.

I think Weisman summed this up really well, "what do we know about Herman Schultz?" He's just a bank robber.

Without a doubt, the Spectacular version of Shocker is the single most out-there/original take on any of the villains; mostly, the show specializes not in strict originality, but in distillation and fine-tuning all the well-known villains of Spidey's rogues gallery. I think Weisman pretty much hit the nail on the head when he realized that the only appeal to Shocker was the suit itself, and never the man inside it, thereby allowing him the ability to make any character he wanted into Shocker. Using the Enforcers (and Montana, specifically) was a smart move because it gives Shocker a new style and a totally different mentality than we're used to seeing from him.

SSM did the High School aspect of Spider-Man extremely well.
It also has my favorite versions of Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen.
Tombstone is far better in the show than he is in the comics.

Agree on all points, especially the last one.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think Weisman summed this up really well, "what do we know about Herman Schultz?" He's just a bank robber.

It's funny no one decided to do more with him, until Bendis decided to do something with him in that one issue of Ultimate, having him catching Spider-Man and hanging him upside down, unmasked.

 

[spider-neil]

Spider-Man is considered a 'fun' character and that is how people feel he should remain. Why? In my opinion his best stories are seeped in darkness, even Fantasy #15 ends in darkness. 'Oh, the stories can't be dark like Batman'. Why? Batman and Daredevil are consistently churning out brilliant material than Spider-Man whilst Spider-Man is stuck like a fly in amber of what people 'think' he should be.

Spider-Man's single best story arc is Kraven's Last Hunt and you don't get much darker than that. The Death of Jean DeWolff isn't far behind in Spider-Man lore. Spider-Man is so kiddy friendly these days I find myself buying the title less and less. I just read Batgirl (Batgirl for pete's sakes!!) and it was miles better than the current incarnation of Spider-Man. Is Batgirl 'supposed' to be a dark character?

Also I thought the dark gritty visual look of ASM 1 (movie) was the best style and tone of all 5 movies.

The Spot, Kingpin, Punisher and Mysterio were better in Daredevil then they were in Spider-Man.

Juggernaut was better in Spider-Man then he was in X-Men.