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Stephen Hawking claims aliens exist and are likely hostile

"First, i'd like to get to know you. I wanna ask you a bunch of questions, and i want them answered immediately. Who is your daddy, and what does he do?"
 
"First, i'd like to get to know you. I wanna ask you a bunch of questions, and i want them answered immediately. Who is your daddy, and what does he do?"
 
That we know of.....not many and could are other nice words too. The universe is slightly bigger than New York City.

As a wise man recently said....if you live in China and are considered a ONE IN A MILLION type of guy....that means there are a 100,000 of you.
 
you do realise i used those word deliberately for accuracy.

heck i'm 1 in 4 to the power of the number of base pairs in my genome just to start with.
 
Dear any and all Space Invaders,

You will never be this cool:
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Metamorpho1977 said:
No, I'm basing my opinion on how the universe is structured. Science backs it up. Almost any other place in the galaxy is highly unsuitable for life. Black holes, dwarf stars don't provide enough heat to sustain life. If the Earth were anywhere else even in the milky way it would be absorbed by a black hole or struck by asteroids.

Hawking thought he could beat Data at poker.
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There are billions of galaxies in the universe, smart man :doh:
 
Matt said:
Beyond that, I find Hawkings' line of thinking to be off. "Nomads looking for conquest and conquer." He is making the vital flaw of assuming their culture would be like ours. For all we know, conquest is an entirely foreign concept to ETs. I mean, to write off a species that could master intergalactic travel as "nomads," is a bit naive.
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I agree with this part. He's judging any possible intelligent life out there based on how we behave. A more advanced civilization would most likely be beyond that kind of behavior.

I must say though, any aliens that openly come to make contact with us would have guts. Considering how self destructive we are with each other, imagine what we would do to them!. We dont need aliens to come and destroy us, we're perfectly capable of doing that ourselves at the rate we're going.

While i respect Hawkings' opinions i dont agree with such an outlook, i'd rather keep an open mind and try not to fear what i dont know. The smartest people on earth have been wrong in the past, so i'm not exactly labeling this as fact just yet.
 
Alex The Great said:
There are billions of galaxies in the universe, smart man :doh:
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You know what I mean. I'm just saying that if you really study on the way the universe is made and what we know so far. At this time, I can't put a lot of belief in intelligent life on other worlds. Now I wouldn't discount microorganisms. That is possible even more probable than intelligent life. i.e. the meteorite that crashed to earth with fossils.
 
Now, I don't want to dismiss aliens being hostile entirely, because that would be silly, but think about this hard: If Aliens are advanced enough to build the kinds of Space-zipping tech we dream off, what would they need a bunch of water, Gold, or trees for? Space travel would require a level of comfort that does not go in hand with being able to skip from Wherever in the galaxy to here.

Of course, the Columbus analogy is very possible, but again, it requires a lot of assuming. That E.T.s would have a USE for us, or our resources. Would you travel from the north pole to South American mountains just to find snow? It's assuming E.T.s have similar behavioral patterns to us. And that's a pretty big leap. This guys' behavior would have been formed by an entirely different set of circumstances. In fact, if anything, E.T. behavior would probably look pretty random to us. Maybe( and probably) they have different ethical systems. Maybe they're ants: able to do some outstanding technical feats, while still being just animals.

Contacting Extraterrestrial life is a gamble, with the higher odds on "nothing happens". If they are a lot like us, they will probably want to know what out deal is before just attacking. I've always wondered, though, if Hostile species HAD found us already, why would they act in secrecy. If they could just beat us up and take our lunch money, I see no real reason to keep it quiet. Maybe they know about Randy Quaid.
 
It could be a giant floating ball of slime that uses radiation as energy. But you would think if an intelligent species did actually come across our planet, they would be peaceful observers. In most cases, they would avoid making contact with us and would know the effects of introduction of alien species to native populations.

However, those that would purposely make contact would do so either by accident or like Hawking said, to destroy us.
 
BATZARRO WWD said:
Now, I don't want to dismiss aliens being hostile entirely, because that would be silly, but think about this hard: If Aliens are advanced enough to build the kinds of Space-zipping tech we dream off, what would they need a bunch of water, Gold, or trees for? Space travel would require a level of comfort that does not go in hand with being able to skip from Wherever in the galaxy to here.

Of course, the Columbus analogy is very possible, but again, it requires a lot of assuming. That E.T.s would have a USE for us, or our resources. Would you travel from the north pole to South American mountains just to find snow? It's assuming E.T.s have similar behavioral patterns to us. And that's a pretty big leap. This guys' behavior would have been formed by an entirely different set of circumstances. In fact, if anything, E.T. behavior would probably look pretty random to us. Maybe( and probably) they have different ethical systems. Maybe they're ants: able to do some outstanding technical feats, while still being just animals.

Contacting Extraterrestrial life is a gamble, with the higher odds on "nothing happens". If they are a lot like us, they will probably want to know what out deal is before just attacking. I've always wondered, though, if Hostile species HAD found us already, why would they act in secrecy. If they could just beat us up and take our lunch money, I see no real reason to keep it quiet. Maybe they know about Randy Quaid.
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LMFAO best counter argument ever. :up:

As for so many people saying they don't think that aliens could be hostile because we/Hawking is basing this off of the way the human race behaves. Why not? Why is it more acceptable to think they would be peaceful?

If the human race survives for say another 200-1,000 years we may be capable of interstellar travel and...I don't see us becoming any more wiser by the day, do you? Again I know I am basing this off of our race but we could easily be a peaceful, advanced race. We are the most intelligent and look at us, we are easily the most destructive.

A peaceful, kind, friendly alien race is just as likely as a hostile one.
 
I can't remember where, but I know I've seen/read about theories involving advanced species of aliens actually trying to help guide the human race with their technology but that the "greys" got involved and we started working with them as well so the other alien race(s) pulled out because the "greys" are malicious and devious.

Any of that ring a bell to anyone?
 
Metamorpho1977 said:
No, I'm basing my opinion on how the universe is structured. Science backs it up. Almost any other place in the galaxy is highly unsuitable for life. Black holes, dwarf stars don't provide enough heat to sustain life. If the Earth were anywhere else even in the milky way it would be absorbed by a black hole or struck by asteroids.

Hawking thought he could beat Data at poker.
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The logic here is tragically flawed. It assumes a complete working knowledge of conditions necessary to support life when all we know (and all we have ever known) is what conditions we have adapted to on this planet. We have yet to even come up with a good general definition for "life."

Science doesn't back you up. There have been all sorts of stories lately about the discovery of earth-like planets in neighboring and far-off solar systems, so even IF the assumption that earth-like conditions are necessary to support life is valid (it isn't, by the way), it's still a moot point. You assume (actually, claim) a level of knowledge of the universe that doesn't really exist.

And for your information, in the absence of Oxygen, Silicon forms bonds much the same way Carbon does. The properties of its valence shell (4 valence electrons) are similar to those of the valence shell of Carbon. Typically, Silicon's strong affinity for Oxygen prevents it from bonding in such a fashion.
 
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Carcharodon said:
And for your information, in the absence of Oxygen, Silicon forms bonds much the same way Carbon does. The properties of its valence shell (4 valence electrons) are similar to those of the valence shell of Carbon. Typically, Silicon's strong affinity for Oxygen prevents it from bonding in such a fashion.
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Oh my god. Aliens could just be huge breast implants?





**** yes.
 
BATZARRO WWD said:
Now, I don't want to dismiss aliens being hostile entirely, because that would be silly, but think about this hard: If Aliens are advanced enough to build the kinds of Space-zipping tech we dream off, what would they need a bunch of water, Gold, or trees for? Space travel would require a level of comfort that does not go in hand with being able to skip from Wherever in the galaxy to here.

Of course, the Columbus analogy is very possible, but again, it requires a lot of assuming. That E.T.s would have a USE for us, or our resources. Would you travel from the north pole to South American mountains just to find snow? It's assuming E.T.s have similar behavioral patterns to us. And that's a pretty big leap. This guys' behavior would have been formed by an entirely different set of circumstances. In fact, if anything, E.T. behavior would probably look pretty random to us. Maybe( and probably) they have different ethical systems. Maybe they're ants: able to do some outstanding technical feats, while still being just animals.
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I think you're doing a fair amount of assuming yourself. Why is it important that there is water on the moon or on mars for our space program? It's so if we ever decide to colonize there we can use the water for many different things (i.e. drinking, making fuel, making oxygen, etc.). The same could apply to an alien craft traveling through space. Someone already commented about how (assuming they aren't using some space warping technology) it would take an extremely long time to get from one place in the universe to another. Travel like that would likely take it's toll on a spacecraft as well as deplete it's resources (fuel, food, parts, etc.). There's no 7-11 in space. Where else could they restock everything but on the occasional planet? I'm not saying it's the way first contact will go, but it's certainly more plausible than you're making it out to be.

BATZARRO WWD said:
Contacting Extraterrestrial life is a gamble, with the higher odds on "nothing happens". If they are a lot like us, they will probably want to know what out deal is before just attacking. I've always wondered, though, if Hostile species HAD found us already, why would they act in secrecy. If they could just beat us up and take our lunch money, I see no real reason to keep it quiet. Maybe they know about Randy Quaid.
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If they are advanced enough to get to our planet, it's fair to assume they are more than capable of studying us and out planet without us even knowing about it. Hell, we beam so much data off our planet in terms of TV and radio broadcasts that they could just sit in orbit and take notes. When they finally make their move I find it hard to believe they haven't already done their homework on us.
 
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