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Stephen Hawking claims aliens exist and are likely hostile

Since probing usually involves penetrating investigation I am pretty sure he would still pass.
But what if they let you do the probing?:awesome:

On a serious note, I would bet there is life elsewher ein the universe as well. However, I can't say if it were intelligent. I mean even if there was intelligent life, why does it always have to be more advanced than us? yes, people claim stories of aliens in ancient egypt, in places before recorded history, which would indeed set up a much more advanced society, but still, we do not know for sure.
 
well as soon as we can travel to other civilisations then we can start to think maybe we are most advanced or above average in advancement. if we are thinking about aliens travelling to us then we would definitely be less advanced.
 
Now, now, Ferret. I know humans are animals. But let me delve deeper into it.

Ants can do some pretty amazing things Without any kind of writing system they are born with innate abilities such as construction, but I mean some incredibly complex buildings. Certain species of ants can even enslave other ants. This, though most individual ants live hardly over a week. Ants probably can't reason, don't have feelings don't have desires other than the basest ones. They, though pure instinct(well, that and guidance from the queen ant. WHO DOES IT ON PURE INSTINCT.), can do the equivalent of what most humans would need years of study for.

It's fair to assume any E.T.s that have mastered space flight would be further from us technologically. But that doesn't necessarily mean they have a civilization, a society, some form of government or even thinking in words. In that sense, well, it would really come down to IF they find something they like.

It comes back to the Columbus metaphor. The whole thing can be narrowed down to thinking at the time, commanding structures at the time and good old fashioned greed. Spain, at the time, had just gotten their land after a bunch of fights with the moors, and wanted to establish trading routes with India. So, upon finding a "new" land filled with gold, they used the logic of "we are a mighty, god-blessed country, and this are dirty, naked heathens who happen to live very near gold, let's just make them get the gold for us."

The situation would be very different if Spain found a new country today. International pressure and dissent would keep Spain from taking a land and their gold and their people. Plus Spain isn't the hegemonic power it used to be back then.

What all that backstory is supposed to lead me to is that context matters, and we don't know the context in which our theoretical first contact race is going through. What if it's a species that never learned to kill because it wasn't challenged? We kill because it helped us survive so much. We don't know what this guys have been through. What if they have individual countries, like we do? What if there's a "Space U.N." keeping them in check? What if they are dumber and less advanced than us, but found Space flight technology from another race by accident?

I mean, it's ridiculous now, but why would Alien history be any less complex than human history?
 
What all that backstory is supposed to lead me to is that context matters, and we don't know the context in which our theoretical first contact race is going through. What if it's a species that never learned to kill because it wasn't challenged? We kill because it helped us survive so much. We don't know what this guys have been through. What if they have individual countries, like we do? What if there's a "Space U.N." keeping them in check? What if they are dumber and less advanced than us, but found Space flight technology from another race by accident?

I mean, it's ridiculous now, but why would Alien history be any less complex than human history?

Or it couldn't give a rats ass about us and just pass us by. Like a giant gas cloud that gathers and consumes space dust. Or maybe it found a way to consume ionizing radiation and lives near suns? The options are endless.
 
Now, now, Ferret. I know humans are animals. But let me delve deeper into it.

Ants can do some pretty amazing things Without any kind of writing system they are born with innate abilities such as construction, but I mean some incredibly complex buildings. Certain species of ants can even enslave other ants. This, though most individual ants live hardly over a week. Ants probably can't reason, don't have feelings don't have desires other than the basest ones. They, though pure instinct(well, that and guidance from the queen ant. WHO DOES IT ON PURE INSTINCT.), can do the equivalent of what most humans would need years of study for.

Who's to say that ants do that purely by instinct though? Perhaps they're some sort of hive mind community, hundreds of individual parts of a single whole. It's impossible to say exactly what goes through the mind of any other living being, or to know for sure whether or not they have a mind.

That being said, humans need to learn many things that most animals are born knowing. How to walk, for example, or the ability to swim. Human brains may be the most advanced brain on the planet, but we're born with it undeveloped, so we need to learn many things that other do through instinct.

I have no doubt that ants are amazing creatures (all animals are in their own way), but don't sell them short or give them undue credit.
 
Who's to say that ants do that purely by instinct though? Perhaps they're some sort of hive mind community, hundreds of individual parts of a single whole. It's impossible to say exactly what goes through the mind of any other living being, or to know for sure whether or not they have a mind.

That being said, humans need to learn many things that most animals are born knowing. How to walk, for example, or the ability to swim. Human brains may be the most advanced brain on the planet, but we're born with it undeveloped, so we need to learn many things that other do through instinct.

I have no doubt that ants are amazing creatures (all animals are in their own way), but don't sell them short or give them undue credit.


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Who's to say that ants do that purely by instinct though? Perhaps they're some sort of hive mind community, hundreds of individual parts of a single whole. It's impossible to say exactly what goes through the mind of any other living being, or to know for sure whether or not they have a mind.

That being said, humans need to learn many things that most animals are born knowing. How to walk, for example, or the ability to swim. Human brains may be the most advanced brain on the planet, but we're born with it undeveloped, so we need to learn many things that other do through instinct.

I have no doubt that ants are amazing creatures (all animals are in their own way), but don't sell them short or give them undue credit.

Well, I don't remember the exact details, but think the queen ant kind of communicates through the air in some kind of way.

But, my point was that it may be hard to fathom the possibility of life traveling through space without the kind of knowledge humans have. Knowledge about atoms and energy and matter and space. About motion and thrust and physics. But if we propose there is life beyond this planet, on compare on farther along than humans as far as technology, we can't assume they took the same path as us to get there.
 
I would like aliens to rule this world. But the aliens look like inside out anus's. Be hilarious but awful at the same time.
 
I would like aliens to rule this world. But the aliens look like inside out anus's. Be hilarious but awful at the same time.

Wouldn't be much different than who is running the world now. A bunch of asses.
 
Well, I don't remember the exact details, but think the queen ant kind of communicates through the air in some kind of way.

Ants generally use pheromones and/or scent glands to communicate and direct other ants. So "through the air" is technically correct, but they aren't sending telepathic signals with their antenna if that's what you're getting at.

But, my point was that it may be hard to fathom the possibility of life traveling through space without the kind of knowledge humans have. Knowledge about atoms and energy and matter and space. About motion and thrust and physics. But if we propose there is life beyond this planet, on compare on farther along than humans as far as technology, we can't assume they took the same path as us to get there.

There have been numerous Sci-Fi stories of species expanding throughout the galaxy in a "non-spacecraft" form of travel. Starship Troopers comes to mind immediately. The "Bugs" shoot their spores into space to colonize planets. Spores, viruses, or other small bacteria's could travel through space potentially carrying that life from one planet to another.

However, if we're talking about the UFO flying type aliens, they would have to at least had some similar path that we did. You're trying to suggest that a species could be born with the knowledge of physics, engineering, matter, energy, and hundreds of other things needed to build a space craft and pilot it to another planet?? No, sorry.

Even ants have gone through millions of years of evolution to be born with those instincts. The first ant just didn't pop into existence and already know all this stuff. It's the ones that realized the importance of having a hive, building their homes in such a way, breeding specific ants for specific tasks, etc. that survived. That have become what we see today. The same thing would have to happen with any being that is "born" with the knowledge you're suggesting. Even if they are just born with it "instinctually," which I don't subscribe to, then that instinct would be something that was honed for hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of years prior.
 
I wonder if Aliens would show up and insist we convert to their religion or die. That would be poetic.
 
I think we have more reason to be concerned about what we humans are doing to this planet than to be worried about any possible aliens out there in space. :)
 
I bet the Aliens are having this EXACT discuusion of us being existed. Theres probably a alien Metamorpho1977(no offense) right destroying theories stating we don't exist.

Heck, if Aliens do land to our world guess whats gonna happen?

Aliens: We come in p-

Humans: You invaded our land. I declare War!!!!!!!!!

Aliens:....what?

*BOOM*
 
You're trying to suggest that a species could be born with the knowledge of physics, engineering, matter, energy, and hundreds of other things needed to build a space craft and pilot it to another planet?? No, sorry.

Why, off course it is extremely unlikely. But how many months has it been since we discovered there was water on the moon, now? I would expect the unexpected anyday from something as foreign to us as otherworldy beings.
 
I think we have more reason to be concerned about what we humans are doing to this planet than to be worried about any possible aliens out there in space. :)

Get out of here hippie!!!

This is alien talk!

:D
 
I think we have more reason to be concerned about what we humans are doing to this planet ourselves than to be worried about any possible aliens out there in space. :)

Fixed. The planet isn't going anywhere, it's not in danger and it doesn't care about what we do, any pollutants that we create and introduce will just be incorporated into the environment the same way everything else that's happened on this planet for the past 4 billion or so years has. WE may not survive the stuff that we're doing, but life on this planet will adapt and endure.
 
Fixed. The planet isn't going anywhere, it's not in danger and it doesn't care about what we do, any pollutants that we create and introduce will just be incorporated into the environment the same way everything else that's happened on this planet for the past 4 billion or so years has. WE may not survive the stuff that we're doing, but life on this planet will adapt and endure.

Agreed. It's pretty arrogant of us to think that we could do anything to end life entirely on this planet.
 
Fixed. The planet isn't going anywhere, it's not in danger and it doesn't care about what we do, any pollutants that we create and introduce will just be incorporated into the environment the same way everything else that's happened on this planet for the past 4 billion or so years has. WE may not survive the stuff that we're doing, but life on this planet will adapt and endure.

Agreed. It's pretty arrogant of us to think that we could do anything to end life entirely on this planet.
Good job, Captain Obviouses.
 
I just don't understand why everybody should be expected to say, "biosphere" and be completely technically accurate when it is clearly implied with "planet." Even I'm not that picky....*AHEM* Aesop....
 
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