Stephen King's Epic "The Dark Tower" - Part 2

Let's not forget that Abrams and Lindelof (both huge fans of the novels) couldn't make this work.
Warner Brothers passed on it. Universal passed on it and then Ron Howard couldn't make it work either.
The writing was on the wall, everyone was nervous about adapting this and sadly the worst situation possible happened...SONY
 
Funny that Fury Road is being brought up in here because The Dark Tower looks mediocre. What a damn shame. It took years for this to even get filmed and we get this s***. I hope HBO can get this thing for a series.
 
It's just shame it's probably gonna turn out to be another thing that wasted McConaughey's and Elba's time
 
Eh, they still got paid. It's more a shame that after this fails no one will want to go near it again for along time.
 
So what you are saying is why would anyone expect legitimate effort? See, using this logic, LotR never happens. TDKT never happens. Star Wars never happens. The MCU never happens. Lawrence of Arabia, Fury Road, Gone with the Wind, or any significant film of scale, ever.

If you are willing to spend stupid money on films, why wouldn't you want them to succeed, especially as you are spending the money anyways? Narina is a perfect example of how dumb it is to spend this kind of money, and half-ass it.

I'm not saying the studios shouldn't put in 100% effort, I'm just saying that expecting everything to be the next Lord of the Rings is a little unrealistic, and the people doing that are more than likely setting themselves up for disappointment from the day this was announced. It doesn't have to be like LOTR to be good, there's no way of knowing whether or not it's a good film yet. I've seen plenty of 90 minute movies that aren't 'cheap', so the final thing might turn out great.
 
I'm not saying the studios shouldn't put in 100% effort, I'm just saying that expecting everything to be the next Lord of the Rings is a little unrealistic, and the people doing that are more than likely setting themselves up for disappointment from the day this was announced. It doesn't have to be like LOTR to be good, there's no way of knowing whether or not it's a good film yet. I've seen plenty of 90 minute movies that aren't 'cheap', so the final thing might turn out great.

It might be a great film in isolation, but I think the point is that many of us cannot comprehend how they can possibly condense the huge amount of story in King's books into a 90 min film. There's simply too much material there. If it turns out to be good I will applaud it, but I can't believe that even so it will be in any way accurate to the original story.

King remains one of the greatest storytellers of modern times (he's had a few bumps along the road, I know, but there's more good than bad) and The Dark Tower remains - possibly - his biggest and most defining work. It's a story which even manages to reach out and suggestively absorb characters, places and themes from other unrelated books he's written. Lord of the Rings comparisons are made because both stories are long, epic in scope, with memorable locales, characters we care about and are fundamentally about good vs evil and never giving up in that battle. It deserves the full treatment just as LOTR got.
 
It might be a great film in isolation, but I think the point is that many of us cannot comprehend how they can possibly condense the huge amount of story in King's books into a 90 min film. There's simply too much material there. If it turns out to be good I will applaud it, but I can't believe that even so it will be in any way accurate to the original story.

Not just that either. From the trailers we can see just how much the film has changed from the book for the worse. We don't need to see the whole film to know that Walter has gone from an ambiguous, fascinating villain, to a one-note 'I want to destroy the tower' bad guy, straight from a poor comic book.

We can see how much of the story has been irrevocably altered for the worse, such as Jake's entry into Mid-World.

We can see how elements of the later (arguably poorer) books have been integrated into this first movie, instead of the film concentrating on the themes and narrative of The Gunslinger.

There is so little on show for book readers to like, and I can't think of one successful movie that moves so far away from the source material in tone and narrative.
 
Got to agree with the last 2 posts. Why not just do a straight adaptation of The Gunslinger (which is my least favourite of the books BTW), see how it does, then go from there?
 
I can't believe this thing is only 95 minutes. Whoever was hoping for this thing to be epic, whether it's the first of a trilogy or not, isn't gonna get it. And King's response to it couldn't have been any more obvious that he simply didn't wanna ruffle feathers. "Well...I like it. I mean...it's certainly not my novel, but I like it." That sounds like pure and utter disappointment wrapped up in a studio saving cookie shell.
 
Got to agree with the last 2 posts. Why not just do a straight adaptation of The Gunslinger (which is my least favourite of the books BTW), see how it does, then go from there?

Because calling it a sequel means you can **** the whole thing up and say, "Well, it was always supposed to be like this. It's not a movie of the book. It's a sequel." *Ass saved in theory*, but boy...it sure as hell won't be...
 
Because calling it a sequel means you can **** the whole thing up and say, "Well, it was always supposed to be like this. It's not a movie of the book. It's a sequel." *Ass saved in theory*, but boy...it sure as hell won't be...

Very true
 
Got to agree with the last 2 posts. Why not just do a straight adaptation of The Gunslinger (which is my least favourite of the books BTW), see how it does, then go from there?

Yeah, back when it was first announced that they were going to attempt a Dark Tower film, I was kind of against the idea of doing a straight adaptation because I was concerned that adapting The Gunslinger by itself wouldn't really engage people. Just in my own experience, I wasn't sure how into the series I was until I read The Drawing of the Three.

Since that time however, I've changed my mind on it. Especially considering that a good adaptation of The Gunslinger would be relatively inexpensive to make. But it would appease the fans, and (hopefully) draw in more people so that the studio would be confident enough to expand the budget and adapt The Drawing of the Three and the other novels.

Instead, we get this bullsh**.
 
Yeah, back when it was first announced that they were going to attempt a Dark Tower film, I was kind of against the idea of doing a straight adaptation because I was concerned that adapting The Gunslinger by itself wouldn't really engage people. Just in my own experience, I wasn't sure how into the series I was until I read The Drawing of the Three.

Since that time however, I've changed my mind on it. Especially considering that a good adaptation of The Gunslinger would be relatively inexpensive to make. But it would appease the fans, and (hopefully) draw in more people so that the studio would be confident enough to expand the budget and adapt The Drawing of the Three and the other novels.

Instead, we get this bullsh**.

This seems like a misfire on so many levels. I must be one of the few people that think Idris is a huge miscast for Roland too. I adore Elba as an actor, but when reading The Gunslinger...Elba is the farthest thing from what I was picturing.
 
I don’t understand why people keep saying “Why are they condensing all the books into 95 minutes?” when that is clearly not what they are doing. They’re not adapting seven or eight books here.

This movie appears to have elements of The Gunslinger, a bit of Jake’s story from the second book overlaid with his Gunslinger stuff, and some minor characters/threats from later books...at least this is actually what the writers/filmmakers and people in the know have outright said.

But they are not shoving Eddie, Susannah, Oy, etc, into this film. They are not trying to depict Roland’s entire journey through the various parts of Mid-world, either. They are trying to set up the basics of the worlds in The Dark Tower story. Which is what most fantasy/sci-fi movies do, isn't it?

It is clear that they do not want this to be the only film they make of these stories. Their plan is to make more films, and hopefully a TV series. That has been their plan for some time. Just because it’s called "The Dark Tower" does not mean they are just randomly shoving everything from seven or eight books into one film, anymore than it means they are only adapting the “final” book in the series under that name.

Now, a 95 minute runtime is absolutely cause for concern. That's a Rothman trademark, if there ever was one.

But if this first film’s story is essentially Roland's quest from The Gunslinger with some of Jake’s stuff from The Drawing of The Three mixed into his story from The Gunslinger and a few threat elements, I do think that’s somewhat doable storywise.

From an adaption standpoint, there's the whole "Why doesn't this rate the LOTR treatment" going on here. There’s a fairly obvious reason this isn’t receiving the Lord of The Rings treatment; it is simply not as well known or beloved a story.

Most major franchises don’t receive the Lord of The Rings treatment. That was a massive undertaking, but it was also a massive undertaking to adapt a widely beloved piece of literature, and a piece of literature that had been beloved for more than half a century. The Dark Tower, as good as it is, is a bit more niche, and which has received mixed reactions over the years. Even something like Harry Potter didn’t have multiple films made at once until it was a juggernaut of a franchise.

We were never going to get a movie with all the internal monologue/musing found in the books. It just wasn’t going to happen, because it's a film. This movie was always, always going to be a bit broader and "dumbed down". Even LOTR suffered this adaption fate. I do hope that the "dialogue issue" is more about selling this to general audiences and less a representation of the entire film. I think we've seen a limited enough series of dialogue sequences in trailers to suggest that this could be the case. I do appreciate hearing Roland's mantra.

I read The Gunslinger again last night. Much of it, while cool and dense as hell, is not entirely necessary to the overall narrative of The Dark Tower saga. A lot of it is random, awkwardly inserted from the standpoint of a standalone story (which King himself has stated), and not entirely satisfying, and frankly, a bit derivative of other concepts without being strongly tied to the story and character arcs (I know, there’s some derivative stuff on display here). What I’m getting at is that not every word of The Gunslinger is gold. And really, you can say that about any of the books.

From an adaption standpoint, they absolutely need to get Roland, Jake and their relationship, and Roland’s pursuit of Walter right.

They need to set up the significance of the tower.

From a cinematic standpoint, they need to establish an overarcing threat and conflict to get audiences to buy in.

They need to establish Gilead and hint at its role in forming Roland.

They need to get some of the high speech in there.

Tull would be nice.

But it’s not like this film is going to be a failure as a story if we don’t see Roland and Jake escaping from slow mutants Indiana Jones style, or see multiple demon rape sequences, and so on and so forth. The best parts of this storyline are found in later stories. Susannah, Eddie and the really trippy stuff. They need to make people care about the basics of this, and that seems to be what trailers have aimed for in a lot of respects.
 
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I don’t understand why people keep saying “Why are they condensing all the books into 95 minutes?” when that is clearly not what they are doing. They’re not adapting seven or eight books here.

This movie appears to have elements of The Gunslinger, a bit of Jake’s story from the second book overlaid with his Gunslinger stuff, and some minor characters/threats from later books...at least this is actually what the writers/filmmakers and people in the know have outright said.

But they are not shoving Eddie, Susannah, Oy, etc, into this film. They are not trying to depict Roland’s entire journey through the various parts of Mid-world, either. They are trying to set up the basics of the worlds in The Dark Tower story. Which is what most fantasy/sci-fi movies do, isn't it?

It is clear that they do not want this to be the only film they make of these stories. Their plan is to make more films, and hopefully a TV series. That has been their plan for some time. Just because it’s called "The Dark Tower" does not mean they are just randomly shoving everything from seven or eight books into one film, anymore than it means they are only adapting the “final” book in the series under that name.

Now, a 95 minute runtime is absolutely cause for concern. That's a Rothman trademark, if there ever was one.

But if this first film’s story is essentially Roland's quest from The Gunslinger with some of Jake’s stuff from The Drawing of The Three mixed into his story from The Gunslinger and a few threat elements, I do think that’s somewhat doable storywise.

From an adaption standpoint, there's the whole "Why doesn't this rate the LOTR treatment" going on here. There’s a fairly obvious reason this isn’t receiving the Lord of The Rings treatment; it is simply not as well known or beloved a story.

Most major franchises don’t receive the Lord of The Rings treatment. That was a massive undertaking, but it was also a massive undertaking to adapt a widely beloved piece of literature, and a piece of literature that had been beloved for more than half a century. The Dark Tower, as good as it is, is a bit more niche, and which has received mixed reactions over the years. Even something like Harry Potter didn’t have multiple films made at once until it was a juggernaut of a franchise.

We were never going to get a movie with all the internal monologue/musing found in the books. It just wasn’t going to happen, because it's a film. This movie was always, always going to be a bit broader and "dumbed down". Even LOTR suffered this adaption fate.

I read The Gunslinger again last night. Much of it, while cool and dense as hell, is not entirely necessary to the overall narrative of The Dark Tower saga. A lot of it is random, awkwardly inserted from the standpoint of a standalone story (which King himself has stated), and not entirely satisfying, and frankly, a bit derivative of other concepts without being strongly tied to the story and character arcs (I know, there’s some derivative stuff on display here). What I’m getting at is that not every word of The Gunslinger is gold. And really, you can say that about any of the books.

From an adaption standpoint, they absolutely need to get Roland, Jake and their relationship, and Roland’s pursuit of Walter right. They need to set up the significance of the tower. From a cinematic standpoint, they need to establish an overarcing threat and conflict.

They need to establish Gilead and hint at its role in forming Roland.

They need to get some of the high speech in there.

Tull would be nice.

But it’s not like this film is going to be a failure as a story if we don’t see Roland and Jake escaping from slow mutants Indiana Jones style, or see multiple demon rape sequences, and so on and so forth. The best parts of this storyline are found in later stories. Susannah, Eddie and the really trippy stuff.
What? I admit, it has been awhile. But Jake has very little story in "The Drawing of Three" from what I remember. And what is there, is all about [BLACKOUT]Roland stopping Mort from killing him[/BLACKOUT]. What we are seeing here is a lot of his "The Waste Lands" story.

The basic structure has been thrown out here. The way Roland gathers his ka-tet is rather important to his character and how the books flow.
 
At this point, nothing is going to dissuade people who have convinced themselves that this movie isn't going to be a pile of crap. They'll probably force themselves to enjoy it just to spite those of us who were hoping for a faithful adaptation.
 
Dark Tower Director Defends Movie's Short Runtime

The good news here…the reason why many fans are worried about the run time is that they think we are trying to do everything in this film. Which we are not. This is ideally the first film. This is an introduction to the world and the characters. It’s not meant to be all the novels and we’re just trying to cram everything in there. So that’s one thing. And the script was really lean and tight. When I got on board, the script was very short, very lean. That’s one of the things that attracted me to it. I said “This is smart.” You start with a lean, mean story and you don’t try to cram everything in there. You just build the basic ideas. And if people enjoy it and if they like this world and these characters, we can start expanding.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/dark-tower-director-defends-movie-s-short-runtime-314


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Then they should have made The Gunslinger.
 
What? I admit, it has been awhile. But Jake has very little story in "The Drawing of Three" from what I remember. And what is there, is all about [BLACKOUT]Roland stopping Mort from killing him[/BLACKOUT]. What we are seeing here is a lot of his "The Waste Lands" story.

The basic structure has been thrown out here. The way Roland gathers his ka-tet is rather important to his character and how the books flow.

No, you're right. It's from The Waste Lands. Doesn't change much about what they're doing. They're taking bits of Jake's storyline from two books, and layering that into his initial appearance. In all likelihood, so that his character isn't a completely vaguely drawn one who shows up with little to no development. Basic character work.

What basic structure has been thrown out? The way Roland and Jake intersect? How do you know that we won't
lose Jake and see him again? If that was the case, they'd hardly broadcast it in the trailers, would they? I think "Whoever walks with you dies by my hand" and all the focus on protecting Jake shown in the trailer might a bit of a red herring. It's not that simple with Roland.
 
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So far no indication on an embargo. Any info on whether this will be screened in advance for critics?
 
No, you're right. It's from The Waste Lands. Doesn't change much about what they're doing. They're taking bits of Jake's storyline from two books, and layering that into his initial appearance. In all likelihood, so that his character isn't a completely vaguely drawn one who shows up with little to no development. Basic character work.

What basic structure has been thrown out? The way Roland and Jake intersect? How do you know that we won't
lose Jake and see him again? If that was the case, they'd hardly broadcast it in the trailers, would they? I think "Whoever walks with you dies by my hand" and all the focus on protecting Jake shown in the trailer might a bit of a red herring. It's not that simple with Roland.

The thing is though
by using Jake's entry into midworld via the old broken down house in the first movie,
they lose the oppurtunity to show it again later when the rest of the ka-tet are there. This also means the birth of Mordred is missed as well as some other important story elements
.

Now I personally thought The Gunslinger was the worst book. I didn't like it and it actually put me off reading the rest of the series for a couple of years. But the more I see and hear from this movie, the more I wish they would have just done The Gunslinger as the first movie.
 
I do agree that The Gunslinger is the worst of the books and isn't a particularly good introduction to this epic story. It's hard to like or identify with Roland [BLACKOUT](for f*** sake, he slaughters an entire town full of people about a quarter of the way into it, and later lets Jake fall to his death)[/BLACKOUT] and Jake isn't particularly engaging in the story either. However, the good thing about the story is that it would be relatively inexpensive to film; there aren't many grand set pieces that you'd need for it or a ton of special effects. They could have made it on a modest budget, and then if it did click with people, they could have proceeded with adapting the rest of the novels.
 

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