Comics Steve Wacker asks the fans what they want...Already?!

God, you're so SPOT ON with this... which is why I will not get on board for BND. Given the fact that not only was it done as a reboot, but that OMD is CANON... that the deal HAPPENED... that makes Peter Parker UNRELATABLE and a complete LOSER now. For every reason you stated above. It is simply not a case of "Peter made a mistake".

OMD is the basis for everything from here on out. So no matter how "good" the stories are now (they're not that great), the end does not justify the means.

Even throughout the worst years of Spider-Man (Clone Saga, Chapter One, etc.,) up until Sins Past... Peter has always been written consistently. Even when the stories were not. Once Sins Past hit, things progressivly got worse for his characterization... leading to OMD. And the reason for that is becase the writers, editors, kept trying to fit a square peg into a round hole in order to erase the marriage! When a SIMPLE DIVORCE would have done the trick. At least THAT would have made sense!!!

This makes no sense. And BND... well, a "new" Goblin, a "new" crimeboss, a "new" mysterious Black Cat wannabe, a "new" roomie situation, a "new" a-hole editor for the paper, and the same doting old Aunt May with no character development whatsoever... everything is the same as it was with the same characters with "new" names.

BND just isn't all that. :whatever:

Awesome... maybe we can stop reading your commentaries after awhile when you've finally stopped reading the books off the rack at your store.

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:oldrazz: :oldrazz: :oldrazz:

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Awesome... maybe we can stop reading your commentaries after awhile when you've finally stopped reading the books off the rack at your store.

:up:

:oldrazz: :oldrazz: :oldrazz:

:yay:

You could have stopped reading them a long time ago, TMOB. :oldrazz:
 
Would explain why you're buying ASM X3.....c'mon dude you knew someone would...better it be a fellow canuck!!

Yeah... I knew it was coming... but it's Friday night, and I gets to give someone some fun... :woot: :woot: :woot:

And a fellow Maritimer to boot... :word: :up: :word:

Cheers...

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You're right....he didn't care about what his elderly aunt wanted. He didn't care about God's advice prior. He didn't care about his daughter. He didn't care about his wife or his marriage. He didn't care about mindwiping an entire planet and altering history. He only cared about not wanting to feel guilty about his aunt....not love...but didn't want to deal with it....so he threw everyone under a bus and guilted his wife and everything....so Aunt May could be living on devil power.

With all the sitautions Pete's been through, (and MJ)...if written right, they know way better than to do what they did. It was clear it was jsut an easy way to achieve and editorial agenda...it does not make sense and it doesn't portray this current alternate Pete as a hero in any light.

If "Devil May" realized she was now Gollum due to Satan and her nephew...she'd have a royal cow and slap him silly as her eyes became engulfed with hell fire!!

Further rubbing it in as to what a poor story this reboot is...is the fact that there is no follow up of the realistic consequences. The deal should be falling apart. BUt it is meant to be a GOOD deal for now, because the purpose wasn't "Story" but "reboot method". I also say that it is funny to not have a single character mind or care that their minds are all swiss cheesed with holes. Marvel (Joe) just was covering his butt by not wiping out current events by saying people remember things but can't at the same time.

He should have fully mindwiped or not...but he wanted it both ways...turning Pete into "Marvel's Biggest Loser" in the process.
5/4/2008


Well if Aunt May is "living on devil power", I'd kind of like to read that.

Just imagine: Peter's at home with Aunt May, eating a fresh helping of Aunt May's famous wheatcakes (whatever the **** those are) for breakfast, and all of a sudden Aunt May tenses. When Peter asks what's wrong, her eyes turn fiery and she becomes Spider-Man's newest enemy, a fiery demon from the underworld: Madame Methuselah!!

... Don't laugh. Give it six months. Mr. Quesada might think it's a good idea and put it in "The Amazing Spider-Man".

By the way, do you of you guys remember my petitions that I started back in January to save Spider-Man's marriage? (And really, how could you miss 'em? They're in my signature! :woot:) And there's another petition of it that someone else started first at GoPetition.

Well, according to a friend of mine at the CountingDown website, it seems that Mr. Quesada does know about the petitions and knows about the fans that dislike "Brand New Day" and want to see Spider-Man's marriage restored into continuity...but he apparently isn't very fond of the idea. Here's what the poster said:

"ok well your going to want to hear this one. At the stan lee awards a fan went up to joe Quesada ( fan thought it was awesome that some thug from daredevil had the same name in the movie I have no idea on what he was talking about ) and told him about the online petition to save spider-mans marriage. Joe " Quote " stated that he has heard and seen it all but no matter how many people sign a petition there is NO WAY in h*ll that he will offer an apology to the fans or change what he has done because he HAS NO REGRETS on the decisions that were made. Also the rumor of him being fired by marvel was the first anyone has heard of it. I mean honestly this guy is a real p**** and it looked like the fan was about ready to smack him one for being so prideful about everything. So there you have it, no matter how many people sign the petition neither marvel or Joe will give a s*** or change anything. Nuff Said..."

This news was found here:

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3716692/board?viewpost=4009811&start=60

If this post is true and Mr. Quesada said he has no regrets, it honestly wouldn't surprise me. I know he thinks that he is doing what's right for the Spider-Man comics in the long run by having the Spidey's marriage erased and keeping Peter single. But I'll have to politely agree to disagree with him on that one. I'm going to keep away from "The Amazing Spider-Man" comics, I will continue to not buy them and I'll continue to try and get enough support to convince Marvel that retconning Spidey's marriage wasn't a mistake, but that taking the marriage away was a mistake. No matter how long it takes, no matter how many months I have to wait, I will continue to keep trying because I simply cannot support this "Bland New"... er, "Brand New Day" Spider-Man.

After all, this is what we have to remember about "One More Day" (special thanks go out to shinlyle and moraldeficiency for listing most of these examples first):

Q: Did Spider-Man and Mary Jane make a deal with the DEVIL?
A: YES

Q: Is that a good thing?
A: NO (Just ask Ghost Rider. Either one of them.)

Q: Are deals with the DEVIL known to backfire?
A: YES

Q: Is Aunt May now alive because of the DEVIL?
A: YES

Q: Did the deal preemptively abort Peter and MJ's daughter (whether it was Baby May or not)?
A: YES

Q: Did Aunt May ask Peter to let her die and be at peace?
A: YES

Q: Was Mary Jane the one who agreed to Mephisto's deal first, and then negotiated with Mephisto and also convinced Pete into agreeing, topping it all off with that whole "Be my hero" speech she gave him?
A: YES

Q: Should Peter and Mary Jane have logically accepted this deal?
A: NO (but really, when is it EVER logical to deal with the Devil?)

Q: Would ANY husband choose to do any such a thing to their wife they've been married to lovingly for years?
A: NO

Q: Is it out of character for the heroic Spider-Man and his faithful, loving wife Mary Jane to accept this deal?
A: YES (I know people disagree because Spider-Man was trying to save a life, but isn't Aunt May a seventy-something walking heart attack waiting to happen? Hmm...then again, isn't our Vice President?)

Q: Should heroes start making deals with Mephisto too?
A: NO, but that probably won't stop Mr. Quesada in the future

I really hope "Brand New Day" doesn't last and we get back the REAL Spider-Man into the comics and get the Spider-Marriage back. After all, this is comics. Anything can happen. I mean, Ben Reilly was SUPPOSED to be the real Peter Parker and "Spider-Man: Chapter One" was SUPPOSED to be the real "origin" and early adventures for Spider-Man. Look how well those turned out. The only differences are that now Mr. Quesada's the EIC of Marvel and "Brand New Day" is actually liked by some fans, something neither "event" succeeded in getting.

Well, thanks for reading and have a good night, everyone.


Sincerely,
Stuart Green



P.S. I saw "Iron Man" on Friday and I, too, thought it was an excellent film. However, as good as "Iron Man" was, I'm looking forward to "The Incredible Hulk" even more!

BRING ON THE NEW "HULK" MOVIE!!! :woot: :woot: :woot:

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Yeh, I am not going to be buying any of these reboot spidey comics either until they fix continuity and the marriage and make it so that OMD/BND never happened.

Kinda sad.

My friend is buying them, so he won't ruin his run, but is no longer reading them. I keep telling him this is not sending a good message. That makes Joe and MArvel think he is another supporter of this. It makes me wonder, how many people are like him? How many others are included in the sales numbers that are buying just for their "runs" and not because they like it??
 
I'm a completionist, I read pretty much anything I start. That being said, I dropped ASM like a bad habit after OMD. As did my friend, who's favorite character since he could read has been Spider-Man.
 
"ok well your going to want to hear this one. At the stan lee awards a fan went up to joe Quesada ( fan thought it was awesome that some thug from daredevil had the same name in the movie I have no idea on what he was talking about ) and told him about the online petition to save spider-mans marriage. Joe " Quote " stated that he has heard and seen it all but no matter how many people sign a petition there is NO WAY in h*ll that he will offer an apology to the fans or change what he has done because he HAS NO REGRETS on the decisions that were made. Also the rumor of him being fired by marvel was the first anyone has heard of it. I mean honestly this guy is a real p**** and it looked like the fan was about ready to smack him one for being so prideful about everything. So there you have it, no matter how many people sign the petition neither marvel or Joe will give a s*** or change anything. Nuff Said..."

This news was found here:

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3716692/board?viewpost=4009811&start=60

Do you guys know the difference between "news" and internet ramblings?

Let's see, what's more believable:

A)JQ, who is responsible for steering the publishing arm of a multi-million dollar company, at an event honoring the legend of said company, would get all pissy and publicly berate a fan knowing it would end up on the internet and alienate more fans, or

B) JQ gave a firm no to a fan who then went home, and anonymously puffed up the entire thing into what you see on those boards.
 
Do you guys know the difference between "news" and internet ramblings?

Let's see, what's more believable:

A)JQ, who is responsible for steering the publishing arm of a multi-million dollar company, at an event honoring the legend of said company, would get all pissy and publicly berate a fan knowing it would end up on the internet and alienate more fans, or

B) JQ gave a firm no to a fan who then went home, and anonymously puffed up the entire thing into what you see on those boards.
5/5/2008


I do know the difference. But the poster's been a friend of mine for years. I trust him. He wouldn't lie to me about something like that. Today, he told me this in the same thread:

"This wasnt something that i heard, I was present listening in to the conversation at the stan lee awards. I am all for returning mj and peter to restore the marriage dont get me wrong. I just wanted to let you know Joe's reaction when a fan approached him about it. I am just p***ed off about it because every magazine I see is always posting news about how people love brand new day and never posting the opposite. I know for a fact that at my comic store and at midtown comics that ALOT of people have stopped buying the new spider-man series. That the only reason some still collect is because they have high hopes of Marvel restoring thier marriage. I know in a recent wizard magazine Joe was bragging about how some that were against brand new day have admitted to him to secretly have changed minds and have converted. I mean what is this star wars ? Where Jedi's convert to the dark side ?

So, it's not that he's lying. But he maybe a snitch, though. :cwink:

All (lame) gags aside, it wouldn't surprise me though if he is p***y about it. Fans aren't happy with him. None of us have any idea how many fans have been telling him they don't like "Brand New Day", just as we don't know how many do like "BND". Either of those options you mentioned of what really happened could be true, but again, we don't know for sure.

I do think it's weird, though, that there are collectors that are buying the books because they're completionists, but don't read the books when they buy them.

But I do hope that all of this gets retconned eventually. I really miss reading Spider-Man comics, but right now, this "Brand New Day" version isn't the Spider-Man I know, love and grew up with.

'Nuff said.



Stuart Green
 
5/5/2008

But I do hope that all of this gets retconned eventually. I really miss reading Spider-Man comics, but right now, this "Brand New Day" version isn't the Spider-Man I know, love and grew up with.

'Nuff said.

Stuart Green

5/5/2008

I hope it's hear to stay... because it reminds me of the Spider-Man that I know, love and grew up with.

Best regards,

Mike 13

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5/5/2008

I hope it's hear to stay... because it reminds me of the Spider-Man that I know, love and grew up with.

Best regards,

Mike 13

:yay:

It isn't. Joe Quesada's starting to dig his own grave in the same sense Jemas did. They're already bringing back Mary Jane, and scrambling to keep people happy. Although like I said before these compromises they're going for might just sink prices even more. The sales are dropping, and the people that pay for these books aren't happy. There's only so much they can do before trying to say "Haha I'm right" before they have to give in to us.

At least with Waid getting fired off Fantastic Four they reinstated him well before the damage was done. Joe Quesada's arrogance is getting the best of him and I couldn't be happier.
 
It isn't. Joe Quesada's starting to dig his own grave in the same sense Jemas did. They're already bringing back Mary Jane, and scrambling to keep people happy. Although like I said before these compromises they're going for might just sink prices even more. The sales are dropping, and the people that pay for these books aren't happy. There's only so much they can do before trying to say "Haha I'm right" before they have to give in to us.

At least with Waid getting fired off Fantastic Four they reinstated him well before the damage was done. Joe Quesada's arrogance is getting the best of him and I couldn't be happier.

You can say that "ity isn't", but it is to me...surely you can be so arragant as to tell me what my own opinions should be... and they aren't simply "bringing back Mary Jane" because of public outcry... taking Mary Jane away from the books was never the goal... having a single Peter Parker was... and Mary Jane Watson is an integral part of Spider-Lore... so having her come back after a few months absence is really no surprise... she's been off the books for longer periods of time (ASM #181 to 243 comes quickly to mind... a 5 year gap :wow: )... and sales aren't necessarily "dropping", they are stabilizing... and they'd have to sell below 65k per week in order to match what Spidey monthly totals were before, so I don't believe anybody is ready to hit the panic button yet...

Then again, this is merely my two cents...

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You can say that "ity isn't", but it is to me...surely you can be so arragant as to tell me what my own opinions should be... and they aren't simply "bringing back Mary Jane" because of public outcry... taking Mary Jane away from the books was never the goal... having a single Peter Parker was... and Mary Jane Watson is an integral part of Spider-Lore... so having her come back after a few months absence is really no surprise... she's been off the books for longer periods of time (ASM #181 to 243 comes quickly to mind... a 5 year gap :wow: )... and sales aren't necessarily "dropping", they are stabilizing... and they'd have to sell below 65k per week in order to match what Spidey monthly totals were before, so I don't believe anybody is ready to hit the panic button yet...

Then again, this is merely my two cents...

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Not to get involved here (I find myself mostly lurking on these boards these days . . . stupid Finals :cmad:), but I took Miken's, "It isn't," as his answer to your, "I hope it's here to stay," not that he was saying the current Spider-Man doesn't remind you of the one you know from your early Spidey reading days.

Just adding my view in the spirit of goodwill here.
 
You can say that "ity isn't", but it is to me...surely you can be so arragant as to tell me what my own opinions should be... and they aren't simply "bringing back Mary Jane" because of public outcry... taking Mary Jane away from the books was never the goal... having a single Peter Parker was... and Mary Jane Watson is an integral part of Spider-Lore... so having her come back after a few months absence is really no surprise... she's been off the books for longer periods of time (ASM #181 to 243 comes quickly to mind... a 5 year gap :wow: )... and sales aren't necessarily "dropping", they are stabilizing... and they'd have to sell below 65k per week in order to match what Spidey monthly totals were before, so I don't believe anybody is ready to hit the panic button yet...

Then again, this is merely my two cents...

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No, I'm saying it isn't here to stay. I've always said this was nothing more than regression, and meaningless nostalgia when the stories from the time the book tries to emulate have been collected in numerous formats. This was even addressed in my letter. And the single issue sales are dropping compared to what the book was making monthly. Of course when you triple the output of a book for a while at least it's gonna have bigger numbers as opposed to just being monthly.
 
Not to get involved here (I find myself mostly lurking on these boards these days . . . stupid Finals :cmad:), but I took Miken's, "It isn't," as his answer to your, "I hope it's here to stay," not that he was saying the current Spider-Man doesn't remind you of the one you know from your early Spidey reading days.

Just adding my view in the spirit of good will here.

It's fine. It might take as many people as possible to explain this to him. I'm in the process of making up some sock puppets to lecture him.
 
It's fine. It might take as many people as possible to explain this to him. I'm in the process of making up some sock puppets to lecture him.

You're picking on the wrong guy, numb-nuts....

Just some fair warning.

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You're picking on the wrong guy, numb-nuts....

Just some fair warning.

:yay:

Let's bypass all your warnings. Gimme your best. This post showed me just what buttons to push. That's the last thing anyone should do with me. Gimme some of your Special EDge punishment.

And so you wanna have fun and trade insults for me, that's. However the second you start implying threats of any kind, because something's said to get under your skin. Well that in my book is admitting defeat, and you're also taking personally something said on the internet by someone who knows nothing about you. Again I'll point out your age, and laugh my bum off then go to bed tonight without losing a wink of sleep. Hope it doesn't hurt so much when you wake up in the morning.
 
Let's bypass all your warnings. Gimme your best. This post showed me just what buttons to push. That's the last thing anyone should do with me. Gimme some of your Special EDge punishment.

And so you wanna have fun and trade insults for me, that's. However the second you start implying threats of any kind, because something's said to get under your skin. Well that in my book is admitting defeat, and you're also taking personally something said on the internet by someone who knows nothing about you. Again I'll point out your age, and laugh my bum off then go to bed tonight without losing a wink of sleep. Hope it doesn't hurt so much when you wake up in the morning.

Like I would take anything YOU say personally... like you really matter... lol.. :whatever:

I've played with so many immature little boys like you over the years, it isn't even funny. But when they start to get annoying, like you have with your incessant homo/pedophile rants/insults and the mighty oh-so tough internet talk, it's just a matter of time before they get banned. So I can wait it out... because petty little users like yourself are a dime a dozen, and I'll gladly sit back and watch you disapear into obscurity only to wait for the next one to show up.

It's all very cyclical.

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I've played with so many immature little boys like you over the years, it isn't even funny.

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And that's why TMOB isn't allowed within one hundred meters of schools or bus stops.







Sorry but I just couldn't pass that up.
 
:lmao:

I gotta say that's just what I needed before a big test. Thanks, guys. :yay:
 

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