SteveDeKnight

[avidreader]

But he's acting like he's on the wrong end of the scale avid. He's acting 15 not 19, and there's a big difference.

Not with all things. With some things he acts immaturely, in fact I really cant think of too many things but for the most part he acts very grown up.

This year he's a sophmore in college (I think did he drop out? not important) And similar to life last year he should have got the foundations in place for knowing what he wants or doesnt want. This year he should go through the awkward first steps of getting there.

I have an 18 year old son, (I know I was a young mom), and he doesnt have a clue what he wants to do.

Clark did know what he wanted to do, but he had to drop out to run the farm when his father passed away.

As it stands he still doesnt have a clue what he wants from anyone or anything.

• He knows he wants to do good by people
• he knows that one day he doesnt want to hide his true identity
• he knows that he's not going to keep stringing the girl that he loves along because he cant offer her everything she wants

And maybe, for the moment, he's happy being a farmer. Just because he isnt living up to the expectation that we have of him becoming Superman, doesnt mean that he isnt content with the life that he has chosen for himself now.

 

[NHawk19]

So deferring his college education and running the farm at the age of 18 isnt an adult decision.

You point out all the things that he doesnt do, but you dont point out all the things that he does do.

It was an impulse and a knee jerk reaction in my view. The very same logic a child would use.

As a state senator Martha is gonna pull down like $90,000/yr (federal is almost $150,000, but I cant remember which she is) and in Kansas thats some serious cash (and pickups ). Probably more cash than that farm can generate in 2 years.

She can get help just based what the farm generates if they decide to operate it.

 

[avidreader]

I'm saying it took The Death of his Father, for him to start waking up and realizing that he's got to start to get his priorities straight {and by that I mean not lana lang}

Up until his father's death his one focus has been Lana lang. He's put his Damn life on hold for this girl.

I could have sworn I saw him in college and studying quite dilligently up until his father died. He was even working as a Research Assistant (note aids his future career as a reporter) with Milton Fine.

 

[avidreader]

It was an impulse and a knee jerk reaction in my view. The very same logic a child would use.

You cant seriously mean that. He quit because there was work to be done, he had a sense of guilt over what happened and he thought that his time would be better spent there.

In his own hindsight he probably will see it as a time that he was able to reflect on his life.

As a state senator Martha is gonna pull down like $90,000/yr (federal is almost $150,000, but I cant remember which she is) and in Kansas thats some serious cash (and pickups ). Probably more cash than that farm can generate in 2 years.

She can get help just based what the farm generates if they decide to operate it.

And hopefully Martha will point that out to him, and encourage him to go back to College. She's given him time and as a mother I would hope that she would encourage him to return to school.

Clark took time off so she could pursue her career now that she's established in office and through the wading period she should give him some time back to pursue his career.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I could have sworn I saw him in college and studying quite dilligently up until his father died. He was even working as a Research Assistant (note aids his future career as a reporter) with Milton Fine.

You don't seem to understand. His Main focus {for the pass 5 seasons has been Lana Lang}

Yes he was a good student etc... But his main focus wasn't protecting The world or even helping it [like His Future self], It was Lana lang .

 

[NHawk19]

Not with all things. With some things he acts immaturely, in fact I really cant think of too many things but on the most part he acts very grown up.

so barging into Lex's house is grown up. He doesnt fully think things through.

I have an 18 year old son, (I know I was a young mom), and he doesnt have a clue what he wants to do.

Clark did know what he wanted to do, but he had to drop out to run the farm when his father passed away.

I was an 18 year old son I had a clue, and a major. What was Clark's?

• He knows he wants to do good by people
• he knows that one day he doesnt want to hide his true identity
• he knows that he's not going to keep stringing the girl that he loves along because he cant offer her everything she wants

And maybe, for the moment, he's happy being a farmer. Just because he isnt living up to the expectation that we have of him becoming Superman, doesnt mean that he isnt content with the life that he has chosen for himself now.

That I'll give you but I think at times it seems as though he's doing it because he feels he has to not because he wants to. On the flipside because he's a farmer doesnt mean that's all they have to show him doing.

 

[triplet]

Yes, but the fact that he seems to be taking fan reaction and suggestion pretty seriously is a huge plus in his favor. He is our direct link to whisper our wants to the producers.

Maybe it'll make a difference, maybe it won't. It made me happy hearing that some of his worst ones he hated writing too. He does what he's told, as do the rest of us when it comes to our jobs.

Personally, I'm liking steven the more I read his blog.

He's smart and knows his stuff when it comes to writing.

It's going to make it harder to tear him a new one in a review the next time he blows it, even though I know it's probably not his fault since he's just doing his job and the script had more than likely got ruined when it crossed someone else's desk not when it crossed his.

I'm happy someone's getting direct feedback instead of just lurking on the forums. He's a brave man subjecting himself to the kinds of diatribes and rants he's had posted on his blog.

 

[NHawk19]

You cant seriously mean that. He quit because there was work to be done, he had a sense of guilt over what happened and he thought that his time would be better spent there.

In his own hindsight he probably will see it as a time that he was able to reflect on his life.



And hopefully Martha will point that out to him, and encourage him to go back to College. She's given him time and as a mother I would hope that she would encourage him to return to school.

Clark took time off so she could pursue her career now that she's established in office and through the wading period she should give him some time back to pursue his career.

Call it what you will but I think you just said the same thing I did. I just put more emphasis on this one.

 

[avidreader]

You don't seem to understand. His Main focus {for the pass 5 seasons has been Lana Lang}

Was she his main focus in Season 4. No, he wanted to get through school and be part of a team and play football. He wanted to make time with Chloe at the Torch to write for the school newspaper.

Lana was the farthest thing on his mind last year.

Even in Season 5, they were together as a couple, isnt that normal for young adult men to want to be in a relationship.

However, he still continued to pursue a life of fighting crime, attending college, helping his dad on the farm, and trying to maintain a normal social life.

What more is the guy supposed to do?

Yes he was a good student etc... But his main focus wasn't protecting The world or even helping it [like His Future self], It was Lana lang .

What would make him think that his main focus is to protect the world? He hasnt figured it all out yet.

 

[triplet]

He can still do all that and have a relationship. Personally, I hope its not Lori as there are enough female characters on the show as it is.



I think he's grown leaps and bounds. A line as sublte as the one he said in Vengeance "One day I hope I dont have to hide my real self" is evidence enough that he is thinking that he wants to be this superhero and help as many people as he can, he just hasnt quite figured out exactly how to do it yet.

Its all in the text of the story rather than the action.

He pined after Lana for 5 years, and he finally figured out that it wasnt going to work, so he ended it. He hasnt gone back on that decision even after Lex and Lana have both thrown that decision in his face.

He still struggles with some of his decisions and his thought process, but I think he always will.

I know most people hated Superman IV, but there was one good line that came from it when the boy writes a letter to Superman and asks him to get rid of all the Nuclear Weapons.
Superman doesnt know what to do and he voices this aloud to Lois "Sometimes I dont know what I am supposed to do".

As Smallville's Clark gets older he'll trust his gut instincts more and more (you can thank Lois for beating that in to him).

In Vessel he didnt want to kill Lex, did he make the right decision or not? As it was left it appeared that he hadnt, but in the long run I think he'll realise that he did, otherwise he would have lived with a tortured sole and that's too heavy a burden for a super hero like Superman. He needs to be a beacon of light and goodness.

He's not quite there yet, but he is almost.

Exactly!

 

[The Caped Knight]

Practically every season Lex has gotten more evil, evil and more evil, while Clark has gotten DUMB, DUMBER AND DUMBERER!! {Enough It's time for Clark to grow up.}

Lex Luthor is the only one from the beginining of Season 1- has moved forward in every episode. towards The evil SOB he's DESTINED to become .

Clark moves forward for about two or three episodes and then back to BDA .

 

[avidreader]

so barging into Lex's house is grown up. He doesnt fully think things through.

If you're talking about Cyborg, I never had a problem with the way Clark went in and confronted Lex. Clark was right in his assessment of what Lex was doing wasnt he?

I was an 18 year old son I had a clue, and a major. What was Clark's?

Well you're one of the lucky one's. Not everyone does.

I thought in the first year of College you didnt need to have a major. Wasnt he at Community College?

We never actually got to see what subjects he was taking other than Political History.

That I'll give you but I think at times it seems as though he's doing it because he feels he has to not because he wants to.

He doesnt have to do any of the things that he does. After all the grief that Lex has caused him, he's still there to save his life because its the right thing to do.

No one has sat him down and told him that its his responsiblity to be the town protector of Smallville, but he is.

On the flipside because he's a farmer doesnt mean that's all they have to show him doing.

That's not all they show him doing. He ran off to Honduras to check on what Fine was up to. He saved the guy in Fade without any reason. He's been shown to do plenty of things.

 

[triplet]

I agree, I hope they bring in Lori, if just for a couple of episodes. But I also hope to see the legion of Superheros, so what do I know.

I think avid had a good point about there already being too many girls in the show, but if they could work in Alicia they can certainly work in Lori so I think I agree with you more.

I think he needs to have a buffer between Lana and Lois emotionally. If he has a relationship that will help him move past Lana, it will help this Clark in the long run even when it doesn't work out. With Alicia he never really had closure he could live with and the same goes for Lana, with Lori they broke it off mutually and for good reason. There wasn't hurt and recrimination for Clark after that break up, if I remember the story correctly.

I think Clark needs that personally.

Not totally true. We saw snippets of Superman come out of him in Arrival, Hidden, Solitude, Mercy, Fragile, and Vessel. Think of the way he talked to Lionel at the end of Mercy, if that wasn't Superman talking, I don't know who it was.

Word.

1) I agree with Avid, he doesn't quite know what his destiny is yet, only what others have told him. Pa Kent told him all the time in the early seasons that he can't let others tell him what his ultimate destiny is, Clark himself has to figure that out.

2)We'll see him accepting this stuff as the shows last season wraps up. I think most of the reason for this is budget, they just don't have as much as is needed. DeKnight even said that if Clark learns how to fly, that we would only see him do it once or twice a year.

3)If saving people on a regular basis is self centered then he might be.
Seriously though, Clark's whole purpose in the show has been to help people in the best way possible, even if his identity is threatened, but sometimes he has to think of himself, everyone does.

4)Thus he can't embrace it yet. You can't tell an insurance company what kind of car you have if you haven't picked it out yet.

5)Can you blame him? One of the challenge these writers face is explaining how Clark grows to understand and trust Jor-El. It's not going to be an easy task, I admit.

6)This they will have to drag out a little, and I wish they would show him doing it a little more also. But if he trained and learned everything, the show would end, and I don't want that.

It'd be a pretty boring story if Clark accepted his destiny with little or no pain along the way and the show woulda been over in the first season.

*yawn*

*triplet wonders if she's still sleepy from her nap but decides not, it's just the prospect of Clark accepting his destiny TOO easily that would be boring that's making her yawn*

Yes they did, but there were little redeeming factors in each of them. But overall, yes they did.

Yep, I agree there.

If you look at how he has progressed through the five seasons, he has grown quite a bit, in strength and personality. It's not to say he won't make mistakes, everyone, even his age does, but he has learned from them. They do need to add the mythology in more, and they did add alot in S5, but they have to space it to fit 22-24 episodes a season, especially if they want to keep it going another couple of seasons.

Yep.... true.

 

[AgentPat]

[peeks into this thread]



Holy s****! LOL

I think I'll come back tomorrow for this un. But it looks like Avid had most of what I probably would have said covered. Dayum, girl! Rock on!

 

[Brainiac 8]

Well fought Avid...well fought.

Triplet....nice nap?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Sorry you had to see all of this Pat.

 

[triplet]

Triplet....nice nap?

Yeah, but I'm tired again now so I'm off to bed... I'm such sleepy grouch since I got this job.

Can barely keep my eyes open once the morning coffee wears off...

*sigh*

 

[Serene]

Lots of good points being made.

My brain is overworked and sorta fried this week too, but I'll just interject one (maybe two) points.

Firstly, I object to the notion that Clark is simply "pining" for Lana. I think that terminology is demeaning to Clark and the sincerity of his feelings. Whether you like her or not, to accept the canon as presented on SV means to accept that Lana is, thus far, the love of Clark's life. I know that rubs the hell out of the mythology die-hards, but again.. a gentle reminder.. this is SMALLVILLE, and they are telling their own tale. He doesn't simply "pine" for her, he loves her to the point of being willing to give her up rather than take any chance of her being harmed. As he explained to Jonathan and Martha - he's loved her since he was 5. They were blissfully happy for a few short episodes, they chose to be each others "firsts," and even with his memory wiped, his innate feelings for her were *still* there. I know some people had problems with that scene, but I thought it made perfect sense in context of THIS show and what is a basic premise - Clark loves Lana and vice-versa.

I have used that term in regards to Chloe and her feelings for Clark. Not to deny or minimalize the sincerity of her feelings for him, but to me, pining has an unrequited connotation to it - which perfectly describes the Chloe/Clark situation. She's always wanted him, and he's never had the same level of feelings for her.

Clark and Lana did have a deep mutual love and relationship, for a brief period of time at least. He didn't break up with her because he wanted to, but because he felt he had to (misguided, IMO, but still a very laudable and mature choice to make). So.. pining doesn't work for me. I'm trying to think of a more appropriate adjective - perhaps mournful.. or tragic.. certainly bittersweet applies to the whole relationship in general.

One more point - while this is a Superhero foum and there is a concentration of people here who watch the show just for the leaps and bounds Super stuff - the real heart of this show has little to do with his superbreath or how fast Clark runs - it's all about the kind of man he is, and the things that made him that way. So, I get reeeeaaallly tired of people *****ing and moaning about the "soap opera" aspect of this show. **** and deal with it.
I know lots of people who care more about that aspect than any of the Superstuff, believe it or not.

Not me, I like it all.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Lots of good points being made.

My brain is overworked and sorta fried this week too, but I'll just interject one (maybe two) points.

Firstly, I object to the notion that Clark is simply "pining" for Lana. I think that terminology is demeaning to Clark and the sincerity of his feelings. Whether you like her or not, to accept the canon as presented on SV means to accept that Lana is, thus far, the love of Clark's life. I know that rubs the hell out of the mythology die-hards, but again.. a gentle reminder.. this is SMALLVILLE, and they are telling their own tale. He doesn't simply "pine" for her, he loves her to the point of being willing to give her up rather than take any chance of her being harmed. As he explained to Jonathan and Martha - he's loved her since he was 5. They were blissfully happy for a few short episodes, they chose to be each others "firsts," and even with his memory wiped, his innate feelings for her were *still* there. I know some people had problems with that scene, but I thought it made perfect sense in context of THIS show and what is a basic premise - Clark loves Lana and vice-versa.

I have used that term in regards to Chloe and her feelings for Clark. Not to deny or minimalize the sincerity of her feelings for him, but to me, pining has an unrequited connotation to it - which perfectly describes the Chloe/Clark situation. She's always wanted him, and he's never had the same level of feelings for her.

Clark and Lana did have a deep mutual love and relationship, for a brief period of time at least. He didn't break up with her because he wanted to, but because he felt he had to (misguided, IMO, but still a very laudable and mature choice to make). So.. pining doesn't work for me. I'm trying to think of a more appropriate adjective - perhaps mournful.. or tragic.. certainly bittersweet applies to the whole relationship in general.

One more point - while this is a Superhero foum and there is a concentration of people here who watch the show just for the leaps and bounds Super stuff - the real heart of this show has little to do with his superbreath or how fast Clark runs - it's all about the kind of man he is, and the things that made him that way. So, I get reeeeaaallly tired of people *****ing and moaning about the "soap opera" aspect of this show. **** and deal with it.
I know lots of people who care more about that aspect than any of the Superstuff, believe it or not.

Not me, I like it all.

Thank you Serene, you've reminded me Why This guy is and always will be My number 1 favorite SUPERHERO.

THANK GOD, THE BAT never guest star on smallville Ever . I'd hate to see his character get destoryed by the writters of smallville .

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

give me a freaking break, of all the things that have been done to Batman over the years, the smallville writers, even if it was awful, would be the least of his problems.....

 

[Brainiac 8]

give me a freaking break, of all the things that have been done to Batman over the years, the smallville writers, even if it was awful, would be the least of his problems.....

I wasn't going to say it.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

trust me, Batman's character has already been quite throroughly assassinated in the public eye

 

[Brainiac 8]

Aaaacccckkkkk...bat Nipples!!!!

 

[The Caped Knight]

trust me, Batman's character has already been quite throroughly assassinated in the public eye

True, But if it wasn't for that movie. BATMAN BEGINS would've never happend.

 

[Brainiac 8]

True, But if it wasn't for that movie. BATMAN BEGINS would've never happend.

If it wasn't for that movie, Chris O'Donnel might still have a career.

Still unsure how Clooney escaped the same fate.