Steven Soderbergh's Haywire

WB signed Noomi Rapace for Sherlock Holmes 2, right after the movie Millennium Trilogy became a worldwide sensation. She played second fiddle to RDJ and Jude Law, but still-- anything's possible.

Rapace has proven she can act, while Carano has not.

If Haywire becomes a sleeper hit, WB would be foolish not to look at Gina Carrano as a lead to revive their WW project. I wouldn't pick Nicolas Refn to direct, though.

No, they'd be foolish to look at her as a candidate at this point. I'm going go out on a limb and say that Gina will only be viewed as a Vin Diesel or Arnold Schwarzenegger type of actor -- meaning she'll excel in films with minimal dialogue and tons of explosions and fight scenes.
 
well her co stars had nothing but positive things to say about her

no one is expecting her to be kate winslet or some crap lol
 
No, they'd be foolish to look at her as a candidate at this point. I'm going go out on a limb and say that Gina will only be viewed as a Vin Diesel or Arnold Schwarzenegger type of actor -- meaning she'll excel in films with minimal dialogue and tons of explosions and fight scenes.

I agree. Carano, I don't see being anything more than an action star, but that's okay. She looks like she's gonna be a great action star because she looks believable and she can fight.
 
thats pretty foolish to say

i could of said gosling would be a nobody and a crappy actor based off young Hercules and the Micky mouse club lol

its her 1st film ever with zero acting experience in an action movie of all things

i say give her a chance in the future
 
I wouldn't say it's foolish, but it's not like she's a 100% actress. She still plans to do MMA, and from what I've seen from clips, she doesn't seem to have that much charisma and screen presence.

And I'm not saying there's no chance. I just don't see it happening.
 
^actually she has tons of charisma and tons of reviews say she is magnetic on screen

her charisma is one of the reasons she was so popular in mma

she is not blatant charisma like say ryan Reynolds,RDJ type which is the more blatant in your face charisma

but she has presence an doesn't really need to say anything to be charismatic but you cant keep your eyes off her
 
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And, I've SEEN the movie and she's a long ways from being anything more than a Schwarzenegger type. Arnold had charisma and presence after all, but everyone knew he was limited as an actor. Carrano's just as limited. At least at this point in her career.

Soderbergh wisely plays to her strengths. But, she doesn't have a character arc really and doesn't have much for long bits of dialogue. A lot of her performance, like all actors, is very much Soderbergh's editing.

Sure, Carrano has potential. But, she's a long ways from headlining a big expensive blockbuster that requires a strong lead performance. WW as her next film would be a disaster.
 
I agree. Carano, I don't see being anything more than an action star, but that's okay. She looks like she's gonna be a great action star because she looks believable and she can fight.

Rightfully so. Carano will make a great action star/sex symbol, and that's all. And there's nothing wrong with that. Action-Stars are more iconic than actresses such Cate Blanchett.
 
^actually she has tons of charisma and tons of reviews say she is magnetic on screen

her charisma is one of the reasons she was so popular in mma

she is not blatant charisma like say ryan Reynolds,RDJ type which is the more blatant in your face charisma

but she has presence an doesn't really need to say anything to be charismatic but you cant keep your eyes off her

Like I said, from what I've seen, and she tends to stay quiet and say as little words as possible, which is best for someone with no acting experience.
 
its easier for a good actor to get in the same shape like Carano then for Carano to become a good actor in the next 3 years.
 
So has Gina actually quit fighting for good now?
 
Carono's voice was digitally lowered in post-production.
 
So has Gina actually quit fighting for good now?

50/50, for now, considering Cyborg just got busted for steroid-use (no surprise there).

It might open a brief window of opportunity for Carano, but fighters like Rousey and Tate are no push-overs, and Gina hasn't been training for a year now.
 
A. Young Hercules is the reason I started liking Ryan Gosling so it shouldn't be dissed.

B. I'm tired of people dissing Schwarzenegger. I'm not saying he is Marlon Brando but he can act. If he couldn't he would be completely ineffective in all of his roles so their is some acting talent there. Not everyone could have so effectively played a killer Robot in The Terminator. I know it doesn't look like he's doing a lot with that role but he is and some people need to give him a little more credit.
 
Wasn't Cyborg the one who kicked Gina's arse?
 
Yep. And she's has "man" muscles.

If I remember correctly, I'd say the fight was pretty even until Cyborg got the advantage in the final minute of the first and the ref stopped it with 10 second left in the round.
 
^yes but she did'nt do ass bad as people make it out to be she actually got mount on cyborg not many people can say that
 
Scary looking woman that Cyborg.
 
^yes but she did'nt do ass bad as people make it out to be she actually got mount on cyborg not many people can say that

Exactly. It was actually a pretty close fight. My only problem with the fight was that it lasted only 1 round.

And yes, Cyborg is very scary looking. I hope Gina fights again though. She was the most exciting fighter in EliteFC/Strikeforce to watch.
 
But are steroids illegal for cyborgs? Couldn't she just switch to diesel fuel or something?
 
Collider gives a very Positive Review
Men are taught (or at least they should be taught) to never hit a woman. The lesson is based on the assumption that women are physically weaker and don’t have the strength to defend themselves (also, hitting people isn’t very nice in general). But what if the woman can not only hit back, but her job is to hit back and she knows how to hit back harder than anyone? In Steven Soderbergh‘s Haywire, mercenary Mallory Kane (Gina Carano) is that woman, and Soderbergh is unapologetic about having her hit in return. The film forces us to confront our convictions about the fragility of women, and where that belief comes from. Is the movie a blow for equality in showing that women can take and dish out a beating like a man? Is a woman’s physicality always sexual? Haywire doesn’t have easy answers to these questions, but it has no problem asking them under the cover of a badass European flavored action-thriller.
Within the first five minutes of the movie, Kane gets a a coffee pot smashed over her head, slammed into a lunch counter, and suffers a flesh wound in her arm. But she gives as good as she gets, escapes with Scott, a hapless citizen (Michael Angarano), and drives away from Aaron (Channing Tatum), her would-be captor and former teammate. Driving with Scott, she tells him how she got to the point where Aaron would want to kill her in the middle of a crowded diner. We then cut back to an earlier mission in Barcelona and learn about her employer/ex-boyfriend Kenneth (Ewan McGregor), his clients (Michael Douglas and Antonio Banderas), and what led to her being burned and on the run for her life.

The first half of Haywire is what happened to Kane before meeting up with Scott and how she became the hunted. In the second half, she becomes the hunter and goes after the men who burned her. But Mallory is never defenseless. It’s a matter of who strikes first, and while she may be expecting the hit and knows how to fight back and win the encounter, she’s still not landing the first punch in the film’s first half. But when she’s the hunter, no one gets the jump on her. She always takes hits, but it’s the brilliant exploration of how the audience reacts when we see a woman on offense versus defense.
Soderbergh has no hesitation in having male characters brutally hit Mallory, and he knows we’re uncomfortable seeing it. But if Kane was male, we would be indifferent. We’re desensitized to it and it feels like the natural order of things. There’s a programming to automatically see women as weaker, and physiologically, that’s true. Men are built differently, but in the modern age, a woman can defend herself and attack others if she’s as trained in hand-to-hand to combat. Haywire forces us to think about what excites us about violence, and why we suddenly become uncomfortable depending on a fighter’s sex regardless of his or her physical capability.

Carano didn’t land the lead role by accident or luck. She’s a serious, highly-skilled MMA fighter and Soderbergh knew that she would not only be able to handle most (if not all) of her stunts, but more importantly, that she could convincingly sell the fisticuffs. The fights are choreographed, but she’s trained herself to understand fighting stances and proper reactions. But she also got the job because she’s very attractive. Soderbergh wants us to not only consider how a woman plays from a position of physical strength, but whether that physical power is sexy.
In one fight, she attempts to choke out her opponent by wrapping her legs around his neck, and the shot is framed to clearly meant to make us think of cunnilingus. Now the audience is not only caught in the crosshairs of not only trying to understand whether or not we can accept a woman taking a beating, but whether her self-defense prowess makes her lethal. Mallory doesn’t use sex as her primary weapon (she remarks how she doesn’t do dresses), but the scenes leading up to the fight have her dressing up in order to go undercover for a mission. But what makes the these scenes even more interesting is that she’s paired up with a man who’s clearly designed to recall James Bond, a male character who also uses sex appeal as a weapon.

Haywire has plenty of rich subtext, but it always puts exciting action first. The movie doesn’t hide its ideas, but its primary mission is to entertain and Soderbergh has almost no problem delivering on this front. The movie is a cousin of Ocean’s Twelve as the director heads back to Europe, but whereas Ocean’s Twelve used the setting to create a fun and flighty heist flick, Haywire sticks to a sparse approach. David Holmes’ score only kicks in when the action heats up, and even the fights don’t go on longer than they need to. It’s a thoughtful approach since a well-trained ex-marine like Kane would realistically attempt to take down her enemy as quickly as possible. There’s a particularly smart scene where Mallory fights off two full-armored cops and the fight seems prolonged and somewhat anti-intuitive as she punches these guys in the chest. But then you realize that blow to the chest isn’t designed to bring them down. It’s designed to push them back so she can fight the other soldier and hit them in a more vulnerable spot. The only part where the action falters is when Soderbergh carries on a foot-chase for far too long.
Thankfully, he has Carano holding our attention all the way through. It’s too early to say whether or not she has the acting range to play other kinds of characters, but she’s a good fit for Kane. The character is a taciturn bad-ass and not prone to big displays of emotions. The supporting cast also does a solid job of backing her up, but they’re not carrying the movie. That responsibility lies with Carano and she performs admirably.
Soderbergh continues to show he’s a director who can take on any genre and make it his own. He’s like a chef who samples various dishes and then cooks up a familiar yet wholly unexpected and delicious recipe. There’s plenty of great action on display in Haywire, and for the most part the austere style manages to electrify the purposely threadbare plot. But while the action is fine, Haywire stands apart because Soderbergh wants to reconsider the male-dominated action genre. We’re not only asked if we can accept a woman as the dominant force rather than the damsel in distress, but if we can also still accept her as a woman. As Kenneth tells another character, “Don’t think of her as a woman. That would be a mistake.” Kenneth isn’t the film’s voice of sage wisdom, but the audience is left to wonder if we can only accept a character like Mallory Kane if she acts like a man. Questions like these make Haywire a movie where the themes hit the mind with the same force as a kick to the face.
Rating: A-


Film Stage Gives A Positive Review
There’s a scene about 75 minutes into Haywire in which Aaron (Channing Tatum) feels that some crucial information has been withheld by Kenneth (Ewan McGregor), leading the two men to an argument – all whilst a killing machine (Gina Carano) is taking out their companions one by one in the same house. It’s a seemingly minor moment that, only upon the film’s conclusion some ten swift minutes later, you realize encapsulates the film entire: funny, quick, tension-filled, and to-the-point, but not at the sacrifice of formal skill and auteurism.
Admittedly, the skeleton of Lem Dobbs’ script would – like the work he did for Steven Soderbergh on the director’s best film, The Limey – fit in with many direct-to-DVD features. It goes likes this: Contract-based soldier Mallory Kane (Carano) has been hired by the government to rescue a hostage in Barcelona. Things doesn’t go as planned; some people get killed; she leaves the group; some old contacts come after her; Mallory has to kick their ass; she proceeds to do so; roll credits.
What elevates Haywire is, true to Soderbergh’s proclivities as a filmmaker, the process through which everything unfolds. Yes, I’d put most movies with that plot trajectory in a junk pile – but almost none of them feature some of the finest fights from any American action film this side of the new Millennium, or jazzy sequences that, typically, we only see during the robbing of a Las Vegas casino.
So, with that latter note in mind, it turns out that a Steven Soderbergh action movie plays, for lack of better phrasing, like a Steven Soderbergh movie. Only, one with punches, kicks, gunshots, and chases, be they on foot or with cars.


Yet those physical actions don’t “look” or even “sound” the way we’ve become accustomed to. There aren’t quick cuts, tight shots, or (thank Christ) overbearing music cues to characterize or hinder the sight of Michael Fassbender being choked to a red-faced mess with a woman’s legs wrapped around his neck. A traditional filmmaker such as Soderbergh being given the reigns means that action and edit – or, contact and cut – become intrinsic to one another; but it’s only able to really work when the meat of it is simply structured, professionally framed, and, yes, well performed.
Like The Girlfriend Experience, Soderbergh is taking a big risk by placing a non-actress into the fray of things – except, in this instance, it’s a studio picture that millions will end up seeing, not an art house feature with cultural subtext. But it basically pays off; a few of Carano’s line readings and facial tics don’t fully register – certain moments gave me a sensation similar to watching myself in a high school video project – but, as was the case with Sasha Grey, you only need to buy the idea that this woman can work in her respective field. Hence, that’s why he and Lem Dobbs were smart to build this movie in their specific fashion; when your opener is punctuated with Carano wrestling Channing Tatum to the ground in an oddly beautiful, almost ballet-like singular movement, you can’t help but be sold from the outset. (If only because Mallory becomes truly terrifying.)


Everyone else in the cast – i.e., the professional actors – are smart to play it low-key so as not to cloud Carano’s limited range. McGregor, Fassbender, Michael Douglas, Antonio Banderas, Michael Angarano, and even Bill Paxton or Tatum could send her to school if they really flexed their acting muscles in any scene, but everything is played at a certain register wherein they – and the royal we – are on the same wavelength of hyper-reality.
Said wavelength is also consistent on a tonal scale, with a few humorous moments getting mixed in amongst the requisite action sequences – the latter of which even manage to subvert the genre a tad. I mean, how often do you get a chase scene that makes you question the basic wisdom of the hero?
A perfect example lies in the climactic moments of the Barcelona segment. It’s simple stuff: Mallory is running from members of a SWAT team, but there are decisions on her part that elicited a chuckle or three. Take the brief moments where, upon entering a building, she throws chairs down a staircase to slow down her pursuers, then kicks open a door to escape – but it’s made very clear that she only wastes time and leave massive road signs to her location. It’s so small and well ingrained into Haywire’s texture that I suspect many won’t even take notice, but, for yours truly, it came across as a lark on the part of Soderbergh and Dobbs.


It’s at this point where I’m a little worried that I’ve oversold Haywire to a certain extent, since there are a couple of aspects that fall flat. For one thing, I still can’t fully get behind Soderbergh’s digital cinematography (if you didn’t know, Peter Andrews technically isn’t real,); a celluloid lover might always have some resistance to the format – I suspect this is ultimately true – but any bias doesn’t prevent me from taking note of low lighting or over-exposed environments that give much of the film a slightly cheap aesthetic. Just compare the hotel room scenes with similar ones in, say, Ocean’s 11. There’s no comparison, really.
And while I liked Dobbs’ bare bones template – which let the action scenes play out kinetically and loosely – his stabs at something a little bigger with a first-half flashback structure felt clunky and unneeded. Angarano is a fine young actor who I’m happy to see get good work – but I don’t want to think “We’re back to here again?” every time he shows up onscreen. (I will concede that it allows for a hugely funny, long-take gag involving the rear window of a moving car — even though they could have found a different way to incorporate this.)
Yet I suspect those qualms – one of which is rooted in frustration over not knowing where we’re headed – will melt away on (already desired) repeat viewings. I got such a good feeling from seeing Haywire, knowing that Soderbergh can still kick back and deliver good old fashioned entertainment when he’s given proper material; what’s more, it’s also the first time I’ve been dreading the oft-discussed hanging of his proverbial hat. But there’s a certain satisfaction in knowing that, when he’s on a sabbatical over the next few years, we’ll look at one of Soderbergh’s last as one of his best.
 
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i like that the positive reviews are admiting that she is a bad actor. i hate critics who lie to me.
if she works in the movie she works good.
 

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