Stop pre-ordering games.

[Benstamania]

Nope. I'm gonna continue. I could still play Halo, ACU was never that buggy for me. More so Nintendo games.. Which never seem to have an issue.

 

[jmc]

That seems kind of like a slippery slope, though? Like what constitutes it? AssCreed Unity is widely seen as a glitchy game, but most people at least seem like it's playable, so I don't know if a case could be may for it being 'defective'. I'm not sure what the Sim City thing is.

Basically what it comes down to is if you the consumer find fault the retailers have to by law issue you a refund if you bring the product back with the proof of purchase and request it. Retailers don't have a say in the matter.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, that's interesting. You live in Australia?

 

[Havok83]

Basically what it comes down to is if you the consumer find fault the retailers have to by law issue you a refund if you bring the product back with the proof of purchase and request it. Retailers don't have a say in the matter.

you are in the minority. Australia makes up but a very small portion of the buying public as the bulk of the consumerbase is in NA and EU. You dont hear about refunds again bc its not allowed in like 99% of the territories that sell games. Maybe you should pose the question on whether you hear about widespread refunds happening within Australia and not try to ask that in terms of the world at large

 

[jmc]

Well, that's interesting. You live in Australia?

Yep.

you are in the minority. Australia makes up but a very small portion of the buying public as the bulk of the consumerbase is in NA and EU. You dont hear about refunds again bc its not allowed in like 99% of the territories that sell games. Maybe you should pose the question on whether you hear about widespread refunds happening within Australia and not try to ask that in terms of the world at large

I was under the impression consumers in NA and EU were protected in a similar way that they are down here. That kinda sucks for all of you if that's not the case. Perhaps if the laws were better suited to favour you all as the consumer there would be mass refunding going on, frankly you deserve to ask your money back on defective items, I have no idea why games should be exempt.

 

[Iceman]

On the plus side games are a lot cheaper than in Oz.

 

[jmc]

Tell me about it. They can get close to $100 here.

 

[Iceman]

Do you have to sell to be able to afford it? I can't understand how most young guys would be able to afford a wide range of games if they were pre-ordering (as the thread suggests) and keeping most of their games with those crazy prices!

Edit: You kind of deserve these enhanced rights.

 

[jmc]

I can't speak for everyone but I'm more than willing to wait 6-9 months and pick up a game second hand for a third of the price. Tomb Raider when it first came out was close to $90 I believe. I picked it up about 2 months ago second hand for about $25. The only game I've purchased new recently was AC Black Flag which was having a opening week discount at $59, after that I think it was like $79.

 

[Iceman]

Oh right that makes sense.

 

[Havok83]

Yep.



I was under the impression consumers in NA and EU were protected in a similar way that they are down here. That kinda sucks for all of you if that's not the case. Perhaps if the laws were better suited to favour you all as the consumer there would be mass refunding going on, frankly you deserve to ask your money back on defective items, I have no idea why games should be exempt.

I think the laws are fine as it is. Again the policyis set in place to protect the companies from theft. Too many people would abuse it if they could just return open media. I mean people did, which is why this was stopped ages ago

 

[Benstamania]

Yeah.. People are anything but honest. What we have now works. I wouldn't want something like Australia has.

 

[James]

On the plus side games are a lot cheaper than in Oz.

The U.S and Canada have some of the cheapest prices for new release games in the world. A new release in New Zealand, is usually US$77 or US$93, (NZ$100 and NZ$120 respectively), and that's not including things like Special Editions which you'd pay significantly more for.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah I was always jealous of their prices till I heard about Australia (& now NZ). Crazy that it's so different.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah.. People are anything but honest. What we have now works. I wouldn't want something like Australia has.

yeah, I'll take cheaper games and not being able to return if open, over more expensive games and being able to return.

 

[Benstamania]

Yup, agreed.

 

[Venomfan]

Basically what it comes down to is if you the consumer find fault the retailers have to by law issue you a refund if you bring the product back with the proof of purchase and request it. Retailers don't have a say in the matter.

I've always been curious about movies in this regard. Often-times you will see a trailer for a film, then when you see the film you will notice that a bunch of scenes in the trailer were not in the movie. Isn't this false advertising? Could we not request a refund stating that we went to see this film with the expectation of seeing the scenes advertised but we were lied to? I don't know how this stuff works

 

[Iceman]

Wouldn't have thought so. It's well know that films have an editor in a high profile role and that good content can be cut for legitimate reasons to improve pacing & focus for eg. And also that trailers usually come out before a final cut while the work is in progress. Games are more parts technical than artistic compared to films so at least the quality of gameplay footage you'd expect to be representative. A film doesn't have to give you any action or set pieces at all if the creators decide not to (regardless of what they may have filmed).

 

[jmc]

I've always been curious about movies in this regard. Often-times you will see a trailer for a film, then when you see the film you will notice that a bunch of scenes in the trailer were not in the movie. Isn't this false advertising? Could we not request a refund stating that we went to see this film with the expectation of seeing the scenes advertised but we were lied to? I don't know how this stuff works

I don't know about where you live but we have a refund policy for movies in theatres. You're entitled to a full refund if you leave the film within the first 30 mins of it starting.

 

[The Shape]

It's not as if pre-ordered games are specifically rushed through production or produced earlier than those that are released on the day/night of the game's release, though. At least not that I'm aware.

People who pre-order games are getting games that came from the same wave of production as those that you can pick up at midnight when the games drop. They've just essentially reserved one for themselves to ensure they they won't miss out on picking one up right away, avoid waiting on long lines, etc. The release dates of games and production cycles would remain the same whether the option to pre-order was offered or not.

I'll pre-order Arkham Knight so I can hit the store at midnight, walk out with my game by 12:15, and get crackin'. I understand the mindset of wanting to wait weeks or a few months to make sure the game you're getting is "perfect", but I don't think it's a necessary precaution to take for all game purchases, especially if you know a game's production schedule was not rushed or pushed out sooner than the norm.

Pre-ordering a game from the digital PS4 or XBOX1 stores makes no sense to me, though.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

So you can understand pre-ordering so you can drive to a store at midnight and wait in a line, but you don't understand it for people wanting to do it without having to leaving the house at all? Not to mention pre-ordered digital games are pre-loaded so you can literally start playing right at midnight.

 

[The Shape]

So you can understand pre-ordering so you can drive to a store at midnight and wait in a line, but you don't understand it for people wanting to do it without having to leaving the house at all? Not to mention pre-ordered digital games are pre-loaded so you can literally start playing right at midnight.

I'm not usually a "wait in line for midnight pickup" kind of guy, other than some rare cases. But pre-ordering games seems to be of greater benefit for the games who prefer to purchase physical copes of big ticket games. Hardcore games can be among the first people to walk out with the game at midnight. Less hardcore gamers can stop at their game shop to pick up their game later that day, avoiding the risk of the game selling out. Others can choose to pick up their game at any given day/time because they know it's waiting their for them.

I've never pre-ordered a game digitally and don't know much about it. Is there a certain time period when you are unable to pre-order a game digitally, or could you even "pre-order" it several hours before the midnight release? Either way, the digital download games are never going to "sell out", aren't difficult or annoying to get, and really don't take too long to download. So unless you are hell-bent on playing your game at 12:01am, it doesn't seem as purposeful or necessary to DL a digital game as it might be for some gamers to pre-order a physical copy of a game.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think 60 dollars is too much for anything digital. Hell, even a game I love.

 

[jmc]

It's not as if pre-ordered games are specifically rushed through production or produced earlier than those that are released on the day/night of the game's release, though. At least not that I'm aware.

People who pre-order games are getting games that came from the same wave of production as those that you can pick up at midnight when the games drop. They've just essentially reserved one for themselves to ensure they they won't miss out on picking one up right away, avoid waiting on long lines, etc. The release dates of games and production cycles would remain the same whether the option to pre-order was offered or not.

I'll pre-order Arkham Knight so I can hit the store at midnight, walk out with my game by 12:15, and get crackin'. I understand the mindset of wanting to wait weeks or a few months to make sure the game you're getting is "perfect", but I don't think it's a necessary precaution to take for all game purchases, especially if you know a game's production schedule was not rushed or pushed out sooner than the norm.

Pre-ordering a game from the digital PS4 or XBOX1 stores makes no sense to me, though.

I don't get buying a game at midnight. It's not like the game is going to be sold out within a day, or even a week.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's an "event thing". Like going to go see a movie at midnight.