Students replace educational DVD with an xrated dvd of their own

[Man-Thing]

But they don't get expelled for it.

And as crimes go, I'd rather my kids were goofing around with porn as a gag, rather than smoking, skipping school etc.

I agree with you that pornography is an offense at schools, but expulsion is overreacting to the extreme. Now, if these guys were consistant offenders, abusing teachers, bullying classmates, then fair enough, but to get expelled for this little jape is madness.

no it's not, because in atleast 9 out of 10 companies you will be fired (expelled) from your job if you get caught looking at porn.

There they learned a lesson early enough so they won't have to make the same mistake latter on.

And another thing, what if this were child pornography? What if someone tried to sue the school because of it? My tax money already pays for stupid lawsuits, I don't need another added to the list.

The simple solution (that should be self evident) is that all schools should have a strict no pornography rule. That's just common sense.

BTW, kids get expelled all the time for smoking.

 

[PhotoJones]

no it's not, because in atleast 9 out of 10 companies you will be fired (expelled) from your job if you get caught looking at porn.

There they learned a lesson early enough so they won't have to make the same mistake latter on.

And another thing, what if this were child pornography? What if someone tried to sue the school because of it? My tax money already pays for stupid lawsuits, I don't need another added to the list.

The simple solution (that should be self evident) is that all schools should have a strict no pornography rule. That's just common sense.

BTW, kids get expelled all the time for smoking.

word.

 

[kane9321]

granted it was wrong..big time, the kids should be punished..but expelled..thats too much!..I can see maybe 3 months of detention and a 2 week suspension... but expelled

 

[TheSumOfGod]

They should be forced to watch granny-porn "Clockwork Orange"-style.

 

[Flame on!]

and that's proof? sounds more like opinions to me.

My point exactly.

 

[PhotoJones]

My point exactly.

no. that was my point. you can't prove that it doesn't have an effect on kids' minds. your stance was that it staunchly doesn't. nice try.

 

[Dr. MIX]

These kids deserve whatever's coming to them... Besides expulsion, that's a bit much.

 

[Man-Thing]

I think the time fits the crime. The article says they can go to an alternative school.

These might very well be bright good kids, but they screwed up. People screw up all the time (I just got a ticket for doing a donut in my truck, haha I'm such a redneck), but I'm gonna pay it, because I had a lapse in judgement and I realize the cop was doing his job...

that's justice

 

[Flame on!]

no. that was my point. you can't prove that it doesn't have an effect on kids' minds. your stance was that it staunchly doesn't. nice try.

And you can't prove that it does. Do I need to spell it out again? It's opinion. My opinion is that the school was ridiculous in expelling these kids for a childish prank. It's not like they brought a knife or a gun into school, or burned down the gym, or beat up a teacher.

 

[Flame on!]

I think the time fits the crime. The article says they can go to an alternative school.

Hopefully wherever they go will see the the ridiculous reasons for the initial expulsion, rather than 'they got expelled'. That would lead to unfair judgement from the start, which is not what kids of the learning age need.

 

[PhotoJones]

And you can't prove that it does. Do I need to spell it out again? It's opinion. My opinion is that the school was ridiculous in expelling these kids for a childish prank. It's not like they brought a knife or a gun into school, or burned down the gym, or beat up a teacher.

i never said i could prove it. you presented the opinion as fact, not me. and that's the point. if you can't prove something has or doesn't have an effect on kids, way take the risk? better play it safe, until proof is discovered, and just not allow it, you think?

 

[Clerk]

Another student informed the teacher about the incident.

Oh man, this kid just sealed his fate for the rest of his life.

 

[Flame on!]

i never said i could prove it. you presented the opinion as fact, not me. and that's the point. if you can't prove something has or doesn't have an effect on kids, way take the risk? better play it safe, until proof is discovered, and just not allow it, you think?

What, you mean like when you said that I couldn't find any proof with you a. assuming that I have none and b. assuming that I have none? Isn't better to play it safe then take the risk?

I'm more than happy to discuss the original topic of this thread, but I'm not willing to engage in a battle of pedantry.

 

[PhotoJones]

What, you mean like when you said that I couldn't find any proof with you a. assuming that I have none and b. assuming that I have none? Isn't better to play it safe then take the risk?

now you're double talking.

i said you can't find PROOF. true.

i assumed you have none. true.

you presented your opinion as fact. like you had proof. true.

then you said it was just opinions. true.

which is it?

 

[Man-Thing]

Hopefully wherever they go will see the the ridiculous reasons for the initial expulsion, rather than 'they got expelled'. That would lead to unfair judgement from the start, which is not what kids of the learning age need.

no, that is exactly what kids need. If they don't learn early that that there are a set of moral rules you must follow, then when they are broken they will be playing the victim and be unsuccessful in life if they never learn this lesson. Schools and parents baby children too much. There are constantly parents saying that their "John" or "Susie" didn't deserve to fail math. Guess what though, in the real world if you fail at math it could be the termination of your job, the termination of your job could end your marriage, the ending of your marriage could destroy your child's character... It all comes back to a full circle. People, not just children- need to know that just because "it's just a little white lie" or "a little sin" or "sowing wild oats" doesn't mean the consequences of it will necessarily be minor. How many unwanted pregnancies do we have because a boyfriend said it's okay because he loves her? How many of those same girls after the boy knocks her up and leaves her turn to abortion because they want to keep it from their parents? How many of those girls are severly damaged emotionally because they feel the killed their own child?

The answer to all of these is several. People need rules and laws, and these laws should be enforced, for if they aren't then the governments of men are useless.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I would think that the fact that people don't die in porn, that porn is legal (albeit not under these circumstances), performed by consenting adults, sold pretty much everywhere, has little to no effect on those watching it and is generally regarded as perfectly legit entertainment is what makes it different.

If you are still struggling with this concept, I'd be happy to go over it again.

well for the people in question, they are both illegal to view and disruptive although they may have been viewing this material outside of class.

for all intense and purposes, they would both cause the same effect to disrupt a class in session.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

granted it was wrong..big time, the kids should be punished..but expelled..thats too much!..I can see maybe 3 months of detention and a 2 week suspension... but expelled

we don't know the past history of the children and their record at the school.

saying this, a girl was expelled on the spot for smoking weed on school grounds when i she was around 15

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Oh man, this kid just sealed his fate for the rest of his life.

not if it was a girl.

 

[Flame on!]

now you're double talking.

i said you can't find PROOF. true.

i assumed you have none. true.

you presented your opinion as fact. like you had proof. true.

then you said it was just opinions. true.

which is it?

Fine, you want pedantry?

you presented the opinion as fact, not me.

Yes, you did. As evidenced by your admission of assuming that I have no proof.

The topic at hand is the expulsion of these kids for the prank. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[PhotoJones]

Fine, you want pedantry?


Yes, you did. As evidenced by your admission of assuming that I have no proof.

The topic at hand is the expulsion of these kids for the prank. What are your thoughts on this?

i assumed you have no proof because you don't. even you admitted that (later on). i don't see a point to argue there. you messed, not me. i on the other hand know what i said, and what i didn't say.

as for changing the subject of our conversation:
i don't have an opinon on if the time fits the crime.

 

[Flame on!]

i assumed you have no proof because you don't.

You did not know that at the time. You had a fair assumption, but you did not have fact. Ergo, you're just as guilty as anyone else on this board who presents opinions as facts or make assumptions with limited knowledge. This is my last say on the matter, as this is far too pedantic to continue with. You can have the last word and the 'victory', as that is clearly what you are working towards.

 

[rdh007]

I don't know that this is worthy of expulsion, but it's not my call. If it was in their policy, then I suppose they have the right to do it. Though discretion is always effective.

It does make me wonder about whether or not they'd have gone this far had they shown Braveheart or Gladiator. Both great movies, both very violent.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

depends on the film i suppose, didn't a teacher get kicked out for showing a R rated movie to his kids during class.

i seem to remember a thread about it being posted up before.

 

[PhotoJones]

You did not know that at the time. You had a fair assumption, but you did not have fact. Ergo, you're just as guilty as anyone else on this board who presents opinions as facts or make assumptions with limited knowledge. This is my last say on the matter, as this is far too pedantic to continue with. You can have the last word and the 'victory', as that is clearly what you are working towards.

dude, i know the suject matter. i know that's there is no proof. from the get go i know this. so don't bs your way through a conversation.

anyways, you're right on one thing. this is dead. i gotta get to work.

 

[PLAS]

my opinion as a teacher:
should they get expelled for showing the porn video, of course not, they should be reprimanded and punished accordingly for infringing disciplinary rules set by the school, and that's about it
and no, there's nothing natural about a porn movie, specially because it's intended to show women in an objectized manner
is that what you'd want your children to learn?