Supergirl Supergirl Season 2 Episode 3 - "Welcome to Earth" MAJOR SPOILERS

[zenith16]

Doh! I forgot about the special field of comic book science.

it's mostly the DC field of science the discovery channel mostly the daily planet series (yest it;s real show & I KNOW THE NAME) has shown other wise where marvel is involved that they are closer to being correct far more often with things while dc is lol way off alot . but yeah that's the case here.

 

[Mysteryman]

Silly Hunter. It was because Science.

My favorite kind of Science btw.

 

[SuperDan007]

I noticed something that was "off" with this episode, and that was the fact that Alex was very hostile to the idea that there could be alien's out there, despite having parents who were kind hearted and raised 2 of them, and also growing up with one. Her hostility towards them at the bar (like reaching for her gun when she was surrounded by them) was just odd to me.

 

[Sithborg]

Again, spending most of her adult life hunting aliens and treating them as dangerous criminals can skew your perceptions.

 

[zenith16]

I noticed something that was "off" with this episode, and that was the fact that Alex was very hostile to the idea that there could be alien's out there, despite having parents who were kind hearted and raised 2 of them, and also growing up with one. Her hostility towards them at the bar (like reaching for her gun when she was surrounded by them) was just odd to me.

I think she's just being a realist there are some alien's that might be criminals and they may cause trouble but hopefully she has evidence to back it up. I'm not sure if it'll be a good idea if every time there's trouble all the alien just repeatedly see Alex attacking an alien to get answers in a public place like that bar.

she does have job to do and it's to protect people from bad aliens and those that want to do crime (probably from subversion) terror or start a war.

but I have feeling that there maybe aliens that maybe in relationship's like that detective that alex wanted to save so badly once had.

Only they took it further and cross breeded (that's mostly a Marvel and wild storm thing) with humans and they just want to be left in peace . so alex have start thinking more that there others like kara there that just want to live on earth and keep in mind there indeed good and bad ones have code of conduct as to how to handle things better instead of just one way . she has to try and remember they aren't all the same, in they are all bad. or she's have two way relationship problem not just with kara but with that detective.

 

[SuperDan007]

I think she's just being a realist there are some alien's that might be criminals and they may cause trouble but hopefully she has evidence to back it up. I'm not sure if it'll be a good idea if every time there's trouble all the alien just repeatedly see Alex attacking an alien to get answers in a public place like that bar.

she does have job to do and it's to protect people from bad aliens and those that want to do crime (probably from subversion) terror or start a war.

but I have feeling that there maybe aliens that maybe in relationship's like that detective that alex wanted to save so badly once had.

Only they took it further and cross breeded (that's mostly a Marvel and wild storm thing) with humans and they just want to be left in peace . so alex have start thinking more that there others like kara there that just want to live on earth and keep in mind there indeed good and bad ones have code of conduct as to how to handle things better instead of just one way . she has to try and remember they aren't all the same, in they are all bad. or she's have two way relationship problem not just with kara but with that detective.

I understand what you're saying and also what Sithborg said. However, she did say during the 3rd episode of Season One "Fight or Flight" that: "When you asked me to join the DEO, I didn't hesitate. Because you told me that together we were going to save the world. Except saving the world means everybody. Aliens, humans, I can't separate them anymore."

As I said, she grew up with Aliens, she was very understanding (shocked, but understanding) when Hank revealed himself as J'onn J'onzz. That's what made me surprised that her immediate reaction, despite not facing any imminent threat was to reach for her gun. She's going to have to learn to that if she wants to go back to that bar and get information, she might not want to continue her confrontational nature, otherwise she'll have to leave the information gathering to J'onn or Maggie.

 

[zenith16]

I understand what you're saying and also what Sithborg said. However, she did say during the 3rd episode of Season One "Fight or Flight" that: "When you asked me to join the DEO, I didn't hesitate. Because you told me that together we were going to save the world. Except saving the world means everybody. Aliens, humans, I can't separate them anymore."

As I said, she grew up with Aliens, she was very understanding (shocked, but understanding) when Hank revealed himself as J'onn J'onzz. That's what made me surprised that her immediate reaction, despite not facing any imminent threat was to reach for her gun. She's going to have to learn to that if she wants to go back to that bar and get information, she might not want to continue her confrontational nature, otherwise she'll have to leave the information gathering to J'onn or Maggie.

yeah that's what I'm saying. that's what I meant by code of conduct.




There was ways to get her info by not doing and she better make sure it's not to the wrong people. .
and as said she has tor try and remember the alein are no different then human on earth there are good and bad ones. and they all can't be bad /evil. you can't treat them all the same way. this why I said she should have evidence first and know where she's headed and be soquick on the trigger. or it'llcause problem especially in her personal life. butthe same can go for kara too.


I'm Not dissing her here. but I have feeling from what she was saying about the daximites might have been not as true as she think's and she was listening to the adult when she was a kid on krypton and thing's aren't as she thinks happened . it may be the same case for mon el
.

 

[SSAV]

ETA: I feel I should comment on the idea of Alex Danvers being gay. I don't have a problem with it, but it feels the easy way out. For Maggie Sawyer, it fits the story they set up. She's a double minority being a person of color and gay (triple if you count that she's a female cop). That causes her to identify with the alien community. Alex doesn't have that, which is fine, but obviously isn't as interesting. On top of that, I like the idea that a straight woman can have respect and admiration for a gay woman without it being "she's secretly in love with her." I feel it would force themselves in a box and limit their message by doing that. I also don't think they should go down the route of all badass females who aren't overly girly must be gay. I think they add more to the discussion of sexual orientation by not going down that path than if they do.

You know, I think it is a myth, a pretty popular myth at that, that TV shows all "badass" women who are not overly girly (by which I assume you mean people who do action scenes and roles that are traditionally identified as "manly") as lesbians.

Granted that I have not seen all the TV shows in the world, but other than the POI characters (and one is slightly girl in that), I cannot list any from off the top of my head that are lesbian or bi.

That is two (plus two in 100, if the rumours are right, but am not sure if they are girly or not since I have never watched that show).

On the other hand, I can list many that are cops or detectives, have actions scenes and are straight.

1. Beckett in Castle
2. Olivia Bensen in L&O SVU
3. Amanda in L&O SVU
4. Carter in POI
5. Carrie in Unforgettable
6. Jackie in Blue Bloods
7. All the other rotating detectives (3 at least) in Blue Bloods
8. Jane Rizzoli in Rizzoli & Isles
9. People on NCIS, Mentalist, and so on...

And there are many others that I am not remembering or have not watched. After all, there are cop shows and action shows out there with women in it who have action scenes and investigate and so on and still are straight.

If by girly, you mean people who wear dresses or makeup, Alex does both when the occasion demands it; as does the people in Person of Interest. And many of these above detectives and action folks.

Can you have more varied and diverse LGBT and ally representation in TV? Yes. Is it desirable? Also, yes. But, does it happen? No. Even some representation is considered a lot or too much by many. And a lot of it is concentrated in one or two shows.

Note: I really don't want romantic storylines on either side to take away from the Danvers' story line or time, but that is a completely different discussion.

To add to that:
One of the ways in which relationships grow and are tested is when one or both siblings enter into other relationships and we find out how that affects the central relationship.

So, I am interested in that dynamic and finding out how they react to it and deal with it and finally come out stronger at the other side; because they have to come out stronger.

We have seen how Alex reacts to Kara spending all her time with Clark, now let us see how Kara reacts to Alex spending less time with her and more with new friends.

Also, even if Alex and Maggie just become friends, that would be something for Alex because Alex needs friends and game nights, just like Kara.

 

[Steelsheen]

FANGIRLING x10




btw, i tried reading back the thread and i couldnt see any discussion on this, but does anybody have any clue / comment on the President shifting forms? was she an alien or some other comic book character easter egg?

 

[zenith16]

FANGIRLING x10




btw, i tried reading back the thread and i couldnt see any discussion on this, but does anybody have any clue / comment on the President shifting forms? was she an alien or some other comic book character easter egg?

We did talk about it we think she's an alie. we don't know if she doing what j'onn did last season in that she's been in hiding and that she's doing this thing by making aliens feel welcome on earth as good thing to get human and alein's ( the latter that don't care to commit crime or cause wars ETC) to have good relations on planet earth or if she's evil, yet. and we don't recognize her as any known character , yet ether.

 

[Steelsheen]

We did talk about it we think she's an alie. we don't know if she doing what j'onn did last season in that she's been in hiding and that she's doing this thing by making aliens feel welcome on earth as good thing to get human and alein's ( the latter that don't care to commit crime or cause wars ETC) to have good relations on planet earth or if she's evil, yet. and we don't recognize her as any known character , yet ether.

awesome thanks bud!

 

[SuperDan007]

yeah that's what I'm saying. that's what I meant by code of conduct.




There was ways to get her info by not doing and she better make sure it's not to the wrong people. .
and as said she has tor try and remember the alein are no different then human on earth there are good and bad ones. and they all can't be bad /evil. you can't treat them all the same way. this why I said she should have evidence first and know where she's headed and be soquick on the trigger. or it'llcause problem especially in her personal life. butthe same can go for kara too.


I'm Not dissing her here. but I have feeling from what she was saying about the daximites might have been not as true as she think's and she was listening to the adult when she was a kid on krypton and thing's aren't as she thinks happened . it may be the same case for mon el
.

I agree. I'll try and not stray too far into RL politics here, but I think (and this view is solely based upon media reporting, I want to stress that) Alex's instinct to reach for her gun immediately when there was not even a sign of a threat, just something out of the ordinary is a reflection of what is the instinct of a lot of law enforcement officials in real life.

On Kara's and her perception of Daximites, you'll notice that in her view, the Daximites started the war, and in Mon El's view, the Kryptonians started the war, so they have two completely different views on history based on what they were told on their home planets.

 

[Dr.]

...Lead is still very prominent. They need to handle it carefully. It can't be a crazy reaction like Kryptonite to a Kryptonian. It'll have to be more subtle. Maybe if he's struck with it directly or shot with a lead bullet or something.

As I mentioned elsewhere, lead is a pretty stable element - not typically radioactive. But according to the Fake Science of Superheroes, "lead is to a Daxamite as kryptonite is to a Kryptonian." And in the original comic book, Superboy was forced to exile Mon-El to the PZ because lead is so ubiquitous (actually, it's fairly rare) that Mon was dying of "lead radiation."

Speaking of Fake Science, one could fanwank that a Daxamite (a red star native) should be just as susceptible to kryptonite as a Kryptonian (likewise a red star native). OTOH, a species that is hyper-vulnerable to lead would probably have gone extinct eons ago.

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PS - I had to type the above directly because copy/pasting from Word or a text editor didn't work (erased everything - including the bit I was quoting). Anyone else notice a problem or is it just me?

 

[zenith16]

PS - I had to type the above directly because copy/pasting from Word or a text editor didn't work (erased everything - including the bit I was quoting). Anyone else notice a problem or is it just me?

it's been happing alot with me this week. it's an on and off thing

 

[TheUndertaker]

I think POTUS could be a Daemonite

Daemonites are reptilian aliens from the planet Daemon, who are capable of possessing host bodies. Daemonites need to possess a host to survive on planets with a climate different from Daemon, like Earth. When possessing a host, the Daemonite has access to all abilities that host has. A Daemonite can change his host into his true, Daemonite form, but can only maintain this form for a short period of time.

They have varied looks and abilities

This one has red skin and blue eyes, like POTUS

Infiltrating to conquer is their MO, which is in line with what seems to be the case if POTUS really is an evil alien

Millennia ago, the Daemonites discovered interstellar travel and started to conquer the universe. Their ability to possess other species gave them a distinct advantage over most species, allowing infiltration and survival in almost any environment.

 

[Kelly]

Interesting.....

 

[04nbod]

As I mentioned elsewhere, lead is a pretty stable element - not typically radioactive. But according to the Fake Science of Superheroes, "lead is to a Daxamite as kryptonite is to a Kryptonian." And in the original comic book, Superboy was forced to exile Mon-El to the PZ because lead is so ubiquitous (actually, it's fairly rare) that Mon was dying of "lead radiation."

Speaking of Fake Science, one could fanwank that a Daxamite (a red star native) should be just as susceptible to kryptonite as a Kryptonian (likewise a red star native). OTOH, a species that is hyper-vulnerable to lead would probably have gone extinct eons ago.

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PS - I had to type the above directly because copy/pasting from Word or a text editor didn't work (erased everything - including the bit I was quoting). Anyone else notice a problem or is it just me?

That was in the 50s right? So lots of lead in the pipes and in paint.

Lead stops the effect of Kryptonite, so with Daxamites its vice versa. Like Mon El wears an inverted Superboy costume.

 

[Thome216]

I'll go with Alex's reactions being from years of hunting violent aliens and having little contact with benign ones. Cark and Kara, and now J'onn non-withstanding.
She also joined the DEO in order to protect Kara from other malicious aliens, so that could be a factor as well. When dumped into a sudden situations when she's surrounded by dozens of possible 'hostiles,' her first response as action and then questions.

 

[NotNickFury]

Couple of things...I do like Winn at the DEO. He's no Cisco, but I think he's of much greater use there than at CatCo.

Second, even though he's brash, I did get Snapper's point about giving people the news. Having studied and worked in the journalism field, it's annoying at times to overhear people give you news plus their two cents. It's why I don't get how people can stomach the likes of CNN, MSNBC, Fox and the like. Just give me the news and let me come to my own conclusion.

At the same time, I liked where this took Kara by the end. Like Clark and even like Clark in the DCEU, she's not this always optimistic, sunny-side up person who believes in the goodness of everyone, human or alien. She has prejudices, which makes her feel more normal and relatable.

And while she didn't seem to like being called out on a bias, she got to confront it head on when realizing that her own prejudices led to her pursuing and tearing into the wrong alien. By episode's end, she owns up to her error, which I like.

Also, kind of let down by President Lynda Carter. Some fireballs come your way and the Secret Service take the blows? Come on, I think Lynda Carter knows a thing or two about dealing with projectiles.

 

[zenith16]

I think POTUS could be a Daemonite



They have varied looks and abilities
Infiltrating to conquer is their MO, which is in line with what seems to be the case if POTUS really is an evil alien

Interesting.....

oh yeah the wild c.a.t.'s main adversary's . sadly

three(well two) major things happened .
first the Daemonite's are body snatcher not shape shifters. this was both inthe books and animated series the don't shape shift the are able to take their own body into the brain of other living being they encounter cause they can't live in the atmosphere of earth. so they cantrol human or any other humanoid . And they don't have periods of show casing they are alien when they think people aren't watching them. the only that may notice they aren't who they claim are other telepathy meta human or in the marvel and wild storm universe case they 'd be mutants.

 

[zenith16]

There was the whole thing diggle needing a code name last season on arrow and the writers under bertalanti's bad habit stealing names of other characters and they used spartan which was one of the main wild c.a.t. covert field leaders code name's this event sealing way any wild C.a.t's on live action tv or live action any linked with anything dc being in the same universe .

second there was the major failure of the new 52 which brought every thing wild from universe into the dc one trying to unify it all . but cause it fail and people that were fan's of wild storm couldn't stand the changes to the characters that just didn't fit into the dcu and were better in their own universe or the marvel universe cause Jim created the wild storm U to be too similar to marvel. then dc decided to reboot the books

it was recently announced that wild storm will be universe to it's self.

details here


Ellis’ WildStorm Story Separate From DC’s Rebirth Universe Oct 8
Warren Allis and Jon Davis-Hunt's series exists on a world with a different Multiversial number.
http://www.cbr.com/ellis-wildstorm-story-separate-from-dcs-rebirth-universe/



INTERVIEW: DiDio & Lee on WildStorm, Vertigo and Future of DCU Events Oct 19
DC Co-Publishers Jim Lee & Dan DiDio discuss why Warren Ellis is the right person to guide WildStorm and the future of DC's major events.
http://www.cbr.com/interview-didio-lee-on-wildstorm-vertigo-and-future-of-dcu-events/

 

[Justin]

I struggled to get into and stay into Supergirl last year but I have to say this is probably my favorite of the 5 big DC shows right now, or definitely top 2.

I really really really loved Maggie Sawyer. I never ever saw myself as a bigot of any kind, and honestly don't believe myself to be so, but I've been pulled up in the past for some comments about gay characters and black characters on television. Reason for that, is most of them were a result of bad writing. Making a character gay or black so that you have a gay or black character on the show, but not really building that into their character is kinda insulting. Seems like a lot of shows just want to check a politically correct tick box.

That being said, this character was awesome. She's gay, that's part of her make up. She's non-white, that's part of her make up. The character is a bad ass who happens to be gay and non-white, not because of it. And that's really cool. Also Alex, I can see it. I think they could really pull off a believable fun relationship and that's cool, probably the highlight of the episode those 2.

What I'd like to see now is a believable enemy for Supergirl. That fire lady had nothing that could feasibly hurt her.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I struggled to get into and stay into Supergirl last year but I have to say this is probably my favorite of the 5 big DC shows right now, or definitely top 2.

I really really really loved Maggie Sawyer. I never ever saw myself as a bigot of any kind, and honestly don't believe myself to be so, but I've been pulled up in the past for some comments about gay characters and black characters on television. Reason for that, is most of them were a result of bad writing. Making a character gay or black so that you have a gay or black character on the show, but not really building that into their character is kinda insulting. Seems like a lot of shows just want to check a politically correct tick box.

That being said, this character was awesome. She's gay, that's part of her make up. She's non-white, that's part of her make up. The character is a bad ass who happens to be gay and non-white, not because of it. And that's really cool. Also Alex, I can see it. I think they could really pull off a believable fun relationship and that's cool, probably the highlight of the episode those 2.

What I'd like to see now is a believable enemy for Supergirl. That fire lady had nothing that could feasibly hurt her.

I have the feeling that Maggie became a badass because she is lesbian and non-white. Resentment over the way she was treated. It either makes or breaks a person. Like the Johnny Cash song about the boy named Sue.

As to Supergirl's that is the problem with villains. Last season people accused Supergirl of being weak because so many of the villains were as powerful as she was. So if you make the villain too powerful, people accuse Supergirl of being weak.
If the villain is too easily defeated then people say the villains are boring. It is sort of the problem with a character who has god-like powers. How do you defeat a god? In The Adventures of Superman he was so powerful that the only way to
use him was to put Lois & Jimmy in danger every episode and Superman rushes in to save them at the last minute. In Lois & Clark krytonite got way overused to turn a god into a mortal. Seems to be the theme in the movies too.
Three whole movies used kryptonite as the crutch and too many episodes of Supergirl. Well, at least that is supposedly all gone, for now.

 

[Gee]

Loved the WW references and [BLACKOUT]M'gann's[/BLACKOUT] reveal.

Though, I thought Carter was wooden in her performance.

 

[Thome216]

I only saw it the once, but I didn't get any wooden feel about Carter's acting. It was mostly good all around. What I want though, is more suspense and a dangerous feel from the bad guys. They need to build them up more rather than just tossing them out.