Superhero Cinematic Civil War - - - - - - - Part 47

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[hitmanyr2k]

I don't think it looks like cosplay, I mean, it doesn't look any worse than any live action Superman suit. But it's fake muscles are just too obvious and distracting. In case of Cavill it was somewhat believable, at least, because the guy was jacked for real.

The SR, BvS and JL suits I agree but I think the Shazam suit looks significantly worse than the MOS suit.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You rarely ever see Captain Marvel outside of the suit except when he’s just Billy

I like that they’re trying to make him as big as he was in the comics, and when you have the piece of info aforementioned on your side, it helps the suspension of disbelief.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Ultimately, there's little difference between MoS and BvS suits. Major attributes are largely the same.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

MOS suit had a better design than the BVS and JL Suits

Those had better color schemes though

 

[OutOfBoose]

Better, but it's not really that different. BvS one, at least. JL is pushing Nic Cage's Supermans suit though.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Ultimately, there's little difference between MoS and BvS suits. Major attributes are largely the same.

The MOS suit looked far better. The colors were a bit more muted and didn't have any designs trying to accentuate the muscles so it also made Superman look leaner. Cavill looked like he was wearing a shiny, plastic bondage muscle suit in BvS. It looked ridiculous and then Justice League took everything about that ugly suit and amplified it.

 

[Web-Head]

They should've dropped an official picture before filming. I'm sure it'll look better in the movie

 

[DA_Champion]

Personally I don't care that much about suits. I would however prefer simpler designs.

 

[DA_Champion]

Patty Jenkins confirms Cheetah on Twitter:
https://***********/PattyJenks/status/972122803544690688

I wonder how this will go. It's hard to see such a villain succeeding, on the other hand, she's earned our trust with her excellent first film.

 

[Web-Head]

Patty Jenkins confirms Cheetah on Twitter:
https://***********/PattyJenks/status/972122803544690688

I wonder how this will go. It's hard to see such a villain succeeding, on the other hand, she's earned our trust with her excellent first film.

I don't have a problem with Cheetah as a villain. Wiig on the other hand? Not sold

 

[OutOfBoose]

Unless Cheetah is a mo-cap CGI character, I can't imagine it looking impressive.

 

[2kt09]

Unless Cheetah is a mo-cap CGI character, I can't imagine it looking impressive.

The better question is who's going to be the renowned aficionado to worship her

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I love how the SHAZAM suit looks, need more of it.

 

[Boy Scout]

The design is fine. It’s the fake ass muscles that suck.

 

[Hammer!]

Patty Jenkins confirms Cheetah on Twitter:
https://***********/PattyJenks/status/972122803544690688

I wonder how this will go. It's hard to see such a villain succeeding, on the other hand, she's earned our trust with her excellent first film.

Has she? Wonder Woman was a good film, but the three villains were horrendous and not particularly well cast.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The muscles are ok by me. Captain Marvel is a buff character.

 

[DA_Champion]

Has she? Wonder Woman was a good film, but the three villains were horrendous and not particularly well cast.

They were not horrendous and they were not poorly cast.

There's a bit of a backlash against the WW climax on this site (and likely other hardcore fans sites) because it didn't emphasize choreography, etc. It wasn't a cool-looking fight, the CGI was mediocre, and that's true. However, the story didn't focus on that at all, it simply wasn't a priority for Jenkins. They were focused on story and character and they got that part right.

If WW had been a standard comic book villain, the climax fight would have had better choreography -- and killing Ares would have ended World War 1. They went for something different, more story driven, and audiences responded really well.

My expectations for WW2 are more character, story, and world explorations. We may see issues such as Diana finding her place in the Cold War and being unsure as to how involved she should be. She might be wrestling with the evolving role of women in the 1980s. She might feel alienated from being separated from Themyscira, and worried that they can't survive the nuclear age. Any of that would be interesting. However, I will not be expecting trippy CGI effects and cool battle scenes.

 

[Boy Scout]

The muscles are ok by me. Captain Marvel is a buff character.

He looks ridiculous. Perhaps intentionally, but out of context, it looks silly.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

They were not horrendous and they were not poorly cast.

There's a bit of a backlash against the WW climax on this site (and likely other hardcore fans sites) because it didn't emphasize choreography, etc. It wasn't a cool-looking fight, the CGI was mediocre, and that's true. However, the story didn't focus on that at all, it simply wasn't a priority for Jenkins. They were focused on story and character and they got that part right.

If WW had been a standard comic book villain, the climax fight would have had better choreography -- and killing Ares would have ended World War 1. They went for something different, more story driven, and audiences responded really well.

My expectations for WW2 are more character, story, and world explorations. We may see issues such as Diana finding her place in the Cold War and being unsure as to how involved she should be. She might be wrestling with the evolving role of women in the 1980s. She might feel alienated from being separated from Themyscira, and worried that they can't survive the nuclear age. Any of that would be interesting. However, I will not be expecting trippy CGI effects and cool battle scenes.

The action was a far less issue to me than that Ares looked like a dorky British gentleman, and how he was characterized after revealing himself. It just made me laugh and that wasn't the intended effect.

 

[DrCosmic]

They were not horrendous and they were not poorly cast.

There's a bit of a backlash against the WW climax on this site (and likely other hardcore fans sites) because it didn't emphasize choreography, etc. It wasn't a cool-looking fight, the CGI was mediocre, and that's true. However, the story didn't focus on that at all, it simply wasn't a priority for Jenkins. They were focused on story and character and they got that part right.

If WW had been a standard comic book villain, the climax fight would have had better choreography -- and killing Ares would have ended World War 1. They went for something different, more story driven, and audiences responded really well.

My expectations for WW2 are more character, story, and world explorations. We may see issues such as Diana finding her place in the Cold War and being unsure as to how involved she should be. She might be wrestling with the evolving role of women in the 1980s. She might feel alienated from being separated from Themyscira, and worried that they can't survive the nuclear age. Any of that would be interesting. However, I will not be expecting trippy CGI effects and cool battle scenes.

Mmmm... I think it's a stretch to say that audiences responded well to the villains. No one speaks well of them, as far as I've seen, and among critics, the fact that killing Ares *did* end World War I is kind of the problem. They got the story and character of Wonder Woman right, and that's what people who responded well to the movie talk about over and over.

The villains' story was not very worthwhile at all, nor do I see anyone who found Dr. Maru or Luddendorf's perspectives or motivations compelling, or even someone who was simply blown away by the Ares twist. And while I think Dr. Maru and Luddendorf was well cast, we kept calling Ares Nigel Thornberry.

 

[Hammer!]

They were not horrendous and they were not poorly cast.

There's a bit of a backlash against the WW climax on this site (and likely other hardcore fans sites) because it didn't emphasize choreography, etc. It wasn't a cool-looking fight, the CGI was mediocre, and that's true. However, the story didn't focus on that at all, it simply wasn't a priority for Jenkins. They were focused on story and character and they got that part right.

If WW had been a standard comic book villain, the climax fight would have had better choreography -- and killing Ares would have ended World War 1. They went for something different, more story driven, and audiences responded really well.

My expectations for WW2 are more character, story, and world explorations. We may see issues such as Diana finding her place in the Cold War and being unsure as to how involved she should be. She might be wrestling with the evolving role of women in the 1980s. She might feel alienated from being separated from Themyscira, and worried that they can't survive the nuclear age. Any of that would be interesting. However, I will not be expecting trippy CGI effects and cool battle scenes.

The CGI battle didn’t make or break the “WW has terrible villains” opinion that I and the majority of CBM fans hold. They didn’t work the whole movie, and not just Ares but Poison and Dany Huston.

You’re right, they she focusing on villains, and I’m sure WW2 will be good in the areas you outlined. But she hasn’t earned our trust in the villain department after striking out 0 for 3 whilst including that cringe worthy scene of Huston and Poison throwing gas in a room, then locking the door behind them and giggling like Dr. Evil cronies.

I can give her benefit of the doubt and trust her in numerous areas in handling this film. But not when she hires Wiig as Cheetah after failing miserably with villains in the first installment. But it’s only one aspect of a film, and nowhere near the most important. I’m sure it’ll be another good film, despite having serious doubts Wiig and Jenkins are going to be able to make this role work.

 

[DA_Champion]

The action was a far less issue to me than that Ares looked like a dorky British gentleman,

That was the point.

That's actually far more interesting than if he looked like an angry bodybuilder, as he would have been in other CBMs.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

That was the point.

That's actually far more interesting than if he looked like an angry bodybuilder, as he would have been in other CBMs.

He was both angry and looked like a bodybuilder. And the point wasn't to make anyone laugh, it was a serious scene.