Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[TeeKay]

It's really not:

Never understood the hate for this scene. It's perfectly in line with the campiness and silly Ness of the previous 2 films.

Not correct at all. Venom adds several components about the movie that are bad.

Here is 1 example:

Originally Vulture was 3rd villain. The crane sequence in that version is caused by Vulture clipping the crane and making it go haywire during a chase scene with Spider-Man. But Vulture is out, Venom is in. Crane sequence not cut, probably largely due to props and such already having been made. What happens now? It randomly breaks and Spider-Man has to hear random police radio so he can go to the disaster, and now this sequence is being used to introducd Brock in clunky fashion.. This scene now makes little sense thanks to changes made because of Venom. The change to Venom led to several bad decisions. Rinse repeat this for most of the movie

The mistake you are making is you are acting like the movie was the same film in every way except Venom scenes. That isn't how it works. Putting Venom in there fundamentally changes the movie. Now you need Evil Peter (enter Emo Parker), now you add Gwen Stacy to be a mirror MJ for Eddie's affections, and so ok and so forth.

So it is not scape goating at all. It is perfectly reasonable. That wasn't just some small change. It fundamentally changed many aspects of the film and actively made many scenes worse by having to retro fit his narrative in there.

Didn't know this. Damn.

A good screenwriter could have made all of that work. That's their job. If Raimi couldn't do it, he could have stepped down. Or least gotten a competent writer to make it all work.

Director's change due to creative differences all the time. Raimi is working on a sequel, where the original director dropped out due to creative differences.

Raimi himself has even taken full responsibility for it's failure. Unlike the fanbase, he owned up to it.

The script was constantly being rewritten on set. Not just dialogue touch ups, but proper rewrites.

To elaborate on what Spider-Fan has said, Vulture is a simpler villain than Venom. He's a bad guy with wings who was meant to be the devil on Sandman's shoulder. Venom is far more elaborate requiring lengthy setup as Spider-Fan mentioned. Without that screentime wasted on Venom, there is more time better develop the Sandman and Harry plots.

This doesn't guarantee that the movie would be better without Venom, but it is certainly a possibility, and Raimi being more passionate about it would definitely be a plus. Point being, Raimi earned the chance to make the movie he wanted with SM3 after the first two, and seeing what Sony did with the franchise since, I'm inclined to put my faith in Raimi's vision over their's.

Ditto and to be honest you can't do venom without Peter wearing the symbiote imo. Sure I think k it could have worked if the symbiote was in the film but save Venom for SM4. I'm sure someone on the team would have suggested it but Sony did really want Venom.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Shuri]

Would love your take on Michelle Jones

The only thing wrong with MJ is that they didn't name her Maryjane. She's a good character. Smart, funny and loyal to her friends and her relationship with peter is believable.

 

[flickchick85]

I hate tiny page numbers so this thread is now closed! Here's the new one.