Superman Returns Superman Sequel Bits From the Premiere

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I want to see asteroids about to hit the earth and Superman punching them away.

 

[Superman79]

I loved the Superman Death and Return story. Alot of things would have to be cut, but I would love to see an adaptation for the silver screen.

I agree

BUT...

Only if it is done as faithfully to the comic as possible (none of the Kevin SMith crap version)...and it would have to be done over the course of at least 2, maybe 3 movies to do it right

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

I have no problem with Zod... Although the more current comic version of him woul work better than the older film version IMO.

I would rather have Metallo for the second film and lead into Brainiac or Darkside for the final one.

Not too sure if I would want Bizarro in this film series... I will wait till I have seen RETURNS first.

I totally agree with you except for Bizarro. His character is so silly I wouldn't ever want to see him in a Superman movie. I'd be afraid it would be another nuclear man.

Bring on Metallo then Darkseid.

 

[Bad Superman]

I agree

BUT...

Only if it is done as faithfully to the comic as possible (none of the Kevin SMith crap version)...and it would have to be done over the course of at least 2, maybe 3 movies to do it right

We're on the same page.

 

[Kane]

But anyway... Kryptonian survivors... makes me wonder if they'll go the Superman: TAS route and have Brainiac be a Kryptonian. I'd be cool with that. Or maybe we'll see... oh I don't know... the Eradicator (okay, he's not actually a Kryptonian, but a Kryptonian weapon)? How cool would that be? (For me, anyway... I love the Eradicator, as a villain or a hero). Also, Doomsday was created on Krypton, so that makes him a Kryptonian by default, just like the Eradicator. We'll see...

I dont know about Eradicator, hes kinda a relic of the Bryne Era.

It seems nowadays they are merging Brainiac into a composite character of Eradicator (being an oracle of knowledge from Krypton...STAS)

I think to explore Kryptonian survivors, they should have Brainiac let Clark live one day in Krypton's past before the planet exploded. That way he'd be faced with the decision whether to alter time (like in STM and disobey Jorel) or warn them to save his race. Also, part of Brainiacs manipulation techniques to tease Kal-El with knowledge like STAS.

They should bring in Kara eventually too (by the 3rd film). She can be a teenager.

 

[krisboyuk]

If we must use Brainiac for the love of God, call him Vril-Dox.

 

[That-Guy]

See, I'm not sure we need Kara in a movie. We REALLY don't need her if they're going to write her the way they currently are in the comics (Super-Britney... ugh). But even if she's well-written, I think she kind of takes away part of what's special about Superman... that he's the LAST survivor of Krypton (or if Zod or TAS Brainiac is around, the last GOOD one). Sure, a character like the Eradicator (as a hero) could be the same way, but since he wasn't original a living, humanoid being, there's a difference. I don't know. I guess I'm always wary of other heroes (sidekicks and such) appearing in superhero movies because they tend to push the central character into the background. Even X2 (which remains one of my all-time favorite superhero films) did this a little be diminishing Wolverine a bit. The only reason that was acceptable is because its a team movie... but Superman isn't, nor should it be.

 

[HUMAN]

What if Bizzaro was used but not in the general sense? Make him more of a slowly devolving bad Superman than a bumbling frankenstein. More in the veign of the bad Superman from Superman 3. This could contrast well with the fact that some of the masses still distrust Superman for leaving for so long. There's plenty of blood from the New Krypton fight, so they could easily justify a clone in the second film.

 

[Kane]

Only if it is done as faithfully to the comic as possible (none of the Kevin SMith crap version)...and it would have to be done over the course of at least 2, maybe 3 movies to do it right

I disagree. One movie could do it and some changes do need to be made.


I'd say the 3rd film should be Brainiac (now destroyed, had merged with Lex in the final act of the previous film). Now Lex has some remaining vague memories of Brainiacs knowledge and plans to release Doomsday (a genetically modified test experiment from Krypton gone wrong) from the Phantom Zone using Brainiac technology to control the beast into doing his will.

Superman fights the beast in the core of Metropolis as its killing citizens and is killed after an intense 20 minute battle of Superstrength, Superspeed, and all other Kryptonian powers (From BOTH of them). The creature is killed too in the fight while the Brainiac tech used to control him had scanned alot of Superman's DNA in the battle while assessing strategies and weakness for Doomsday to kill Supes.

This is where we can have some liberties:

Hank Henshaw, a pilot who was severly and critically injured from the first film's Space Plane accident could find the Doomsday corps and steal the Brainiac tech to try to cure himself...when actually he downloads the corrupted Superman information mutanting himself into Brainiac.

OR

Richard White, extremely angry at Clark over some tragic event in the 2nd film could do the same; and become Cyborg Superman; Which would be neat actually.

John Henry Irons could be easy to bring in as Steel. They should introduce him as a scientist in the 2nd film, working with Luthor or whoever at the time and then reforming here.

I dont think we should get Eradicator in a traditional sense but Jor-El could send a messenger or vessel in the form of Brandon in the white Kryptonian suit from STM to be an oracle for Jor-El, protecting the world in Superman's absense.

The audience and fans probably wouldnt respond well to Jason being Superboy so......I think Kara should be introduced at the end of the 2nd film (dealing w Kryptonian Survivors) and now that shes 16 in the 3rd film; becomes Supergirl.

Towards the end, Jor-El could finally sacrifice the entire Fortress and himself (using the footage from SII where he does just that) to restore Kal-El's powers and bring him back to life.

Superman Returns in the black regeneration suit to help Steel and Supergirl fight the Brainiac/Cyborg Superman (Richard possibly)....

With Superman and Richard possibly having one final fight..

At the end, Superman is still recovering, powers unstable and weak, while gives Supergirl and Steel a chance for some active duty. The Fortress is completely destroyed, Jor-El no more.

An end but possibly a new beginning.

 

[Kane]

See, I'm not sure we need Kara in a movie. We REALLY don't need her if they're going to write her the way they currently are in the comics (Super-Britney... ugh). But even if she's well-written, I think she kind of takes away part of what's special about Superman....

In the comics to me, she adds more than takes away. I dont want to see Jason turn into Superboy and something tells me they wont go that route. So personally I'd like to see another member of the Superman family that he trains.

Plus the movie left it open; the writers wrote that Martha said 'who knows what else could be out there'...trying to give Clark some hope. I'd like to see his hope fulfilled.

It would give his 5 year journey more meaning if he actually found Kara.

Technically though, remember this;

Clark/Kal-El will always be the last survivor of Krypton. He was born not long before the planet exploded.

He was the planet's Last Son.

Kara was 16 in the comics when Krypton exploded (13 in my version), she was frozen cryogrnically for years and was the same age when Supes found her....so really shes way older than Superman and wasnt the last child or Krypton.

 

[Eros]

I disagree. One movie could do it and some changes do need to be made.


I'd say the 3rd film should be Brainiac (now destroyed, had merged with Lex in the final act of the previous film). Now Lex has some remaining vague memories of Brainiacs knowledge and plans to release Doomsday (a genetically modified test experiment from Krypton gone wrong) from the Phantom Zone using Brainiac technology to control the beast into doing his will.

Superman fights the beast in the core of Metropolis as its killing citizens and is killed after an intense 20 minute battle of Superstrength, Superspeed, and all other Kryptonian powers (From BOTH of them). The creature is killed too in the fight while the Brainiac tech used to control him had scanned alot of Superman's DNA in the battle while assessing strategies and weakness for Doomsday to kill Supes.

This is where we can have some liberties:

Hank Henshaw, a pilot who was severly and critically injured from the first film's Space Plane accident could find the Doomsday corps and steal the Brainiac tech to try to cure himself...when actually he downloads the corrupted Superman information mutanting himself into Brainiac.

OR

Richard White, extremely angry at Clark over some tragic event in the 2nd film could do the same; and become Cyborg Superman; Which would be neat actually.

John Henry Irons could be easy to bring in as Steel. They should introduce him as a scientist in the 2nd film, working with Luthor or whoever at the time and then reforming here.

I dont think we should get Eradicator in a traditional sense but Jor-El could send a messenger or vessel in the form of Brandon in the white Kryptonian suit from STM to be an oracle for Jor-El, protecting the world in Superman's absense.

The audience and fans probably wouldnt respond well to Jason being Superboy so......I think Kara should be introduced at the end of the 2nd film (dealing w Kryptonian Survivors) and now that shes 16 in the 3rd film; becomes Supergirl.

Towards the end, Jor-El could finally sacrifice the entire Fortress and himself (using the footage from SII where he does just that) to restore Kal-El's powers and bring him back to life.

Superman Returns in the black regeneration suit to help Steel and Supergirl fight the Brainiac/Cyborg Superman (Richard possibly)....

With Superman and Richard possibly having one final fight..

At the end, Superman is still recovering, powers unstable and weak, while gives Supergirl and Steel a chance for some active duty. The Fortress is completely destroyed, Jor-El no more.

An end but possibly a new beginning.

thank god your not writing the movies, steel and supergirl should never be in a superman movie ever. Their two gimmick characters, and should be treated as such. everything else your decided to adapt sounds like a rehash and dumb [no offense]. I highly doubt singer would use steel and freaking supergirl in a serous movie.

 

[Superman79]

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[Kane]

Well that was my attempt to do the Death of Superman scenario on par with Returns as close to the comic version as we could.....as Superman79 suggested.

Supergirl and Steel could be done right though. Watch the animated series. I think both are awesome and theyre typically the type of franchaise characters WB loves to increase sales of Superman stuff for the sequel.

I wouldnt say either is a gimmick character, they seem to have brought Steel back in 52 and have a major purpose for him.

 

[Superman79]

Well that was my attempt to do the Death of Superman scenario on par with Returns as close to the comic version as we could.....as Superman79 suggested.

Supergirl and Steel could be done right though. Watch the animated series. I think both are awesome and theyre typically the type of franchaise characters WB loves to increase sales of Superman stuff for the sequel.

I wouldnt say either is a gimmick character, they seem to have brought Steel back in 52 and have a major purpose for him.

I rather liked your attempt Kane...there were a few things I might have disagreed with , but overall I'm with you on 90% of it

As for Supergirl and Steel...well since SG is likely to get her own new movie, I'd be less inclined to have her in Superman (but maybe have Superman cameo in her movie) and I think Steel has established himself in the comics as a valid part of the Superman Family...just don't let Shaq anywhere near the part!

 

[Eros]

Well that was my attempt to do the Death of Superman scenario on par with Returns as close to the comic version as we could.....as Superman79 suggested.

Supergirl and Steel could be done right though. Watch the animated series. I think both are awesome and theyre typically the type of franchaise characters WB loves to increase sales of Superman stuff for the sequel.

I wouldnt say either is a gimmick character, they seem to have brought Steel back in 52 and have a major purpose for him.

yes those charaters work in comics, and in cartoons. But they won't work in a movie, supergirl would take attention away from superman as would steel. When they starting haveing supergirl, and batgirls in moives like these, you start takeing superman movies less serously. these movies are about superman, and thats it. Non of these other weird supergirls and boys or whatever. Superman is the icon, not steel or supergirl or whatever.

 

[Kane]

As for Supergirl and Steel...well since SG is likely to get her own new movie, I'd be less inclined to have her in Superman (but maybe have Superman cameo in her movie)

Are you insane!?

She'll never get her own movie!!!! Like theyd blow 200 million on her after the disaster in 1984.


The only chance of her ever being seen in the movies is through the Superman franchaise, its the only way. I dont mind her being a secondary character in the Superman movies, she doesnt deserve anymore than that (same with Steel).

 

[Kane]

yes those charaters work in comics, and in cartoons. But they won't work in a movie, supergirl would take attention away from superman as would steel. When they starting haveing supergirl, and batgirls in moives like these, you start takeing superman movies less serously. these movies are about superman, and thats it. Non of these other weird supergirls and boys or whatever. Superman is the icon, not steel or supergirl or whatever.

Not really. It all depends how its written and where the focus is placed.

X-men is intended to be a 'team' movie but since they shafted all the focus to Wolvie making him the preverbial 'superman' of the team....he became the biggest and most recognized leaving his leader Cyclops in the dust.

I really want to see the evolution of the Superman family over-time. Since in SR, Superman started with nothing.

 

[Steelsheen]

given how the movie ends, there are several elements there where they can build the sequel plot on:

1.) New Krypton: the movie ends with it sitting in space. there could be elements that can develop from it: Brainiac or Bizarro. if you all notice NK is esentially the antithesis of the FOS, and Bizarro is also the antithesis of Superman, so it makes some sense if Bizarro was "born" of NK.

Brainiac can also come forth from NK but i like the version of Brainiac being a super-computer from Krypton itself. the JLU provided the perfect irony that the one "survivor" of Krytpon with all its knowledge and history in its memory banks would be the being that would try to vanquish Superman, or create a humanized version of itself via Superman's DNA and destroy the original.

2.) Lex Luthor: Lex was left on an island, the perfect ending to a man who tried to create his own continent. but the point is he's still alive. and theres something about Lex's diabolical intelligence that serves as a perfect foil to the Big Blue Boyscout (other also from the fact that Spacey is signed on for all 3 films). the end of SR will show to Lex that his intelligence coupled with Kryptonian technology isnt enough to rid him of Supes so it would make sense if he tried to create something that would: he needs some brawns that he can control. that would make use of Bizarro. he can also go on the intellectual route and try to make himself smarter: thus he can create a super-computer that will eventually become Brainiac. this can also pave way for the possible merging of Lex-Brainiac which can serve as a climax to film 2 or can be developed further in film 3.

3.) the whole sub-plot of Richard-Jason: this is something i'm not really too fond of since the last thing i want SR to become is one big soap opera movie. Richard is written in such a way that he cant be a supervillain, he can be a sacrficial lamb however. but the way the subplot is left in SR Richard seems to be something of a "villain" to Superman since he's the competitor for Lois' heart AND the man that Jason identifies as the Father, so that may be the challenge that Singer and Co. may be looking into to build on the sequel. again that really doesnt go down too well with me since it feels very "touchy-feely". this is Superman2 for chrisakes, not The Notebook2.

 

[Cinemaman]

given how the movie ends, there are several elements there where they can build the sequel plot on:

1.) New Krypton: the movie ends with it sitting in space. there could be elements that can develop from it: Brainiac or Bizarro. if you all notice NK is esentially the antithesis of the FOS, and Bizarro is also the antithesis of Superman, so it makes some sense if Bizarro was "born" of NK.

Brainiac can also come forth from NK but i like the version of Brainiac being a super-computer from Krypton itself. the JLU provided the perfect irony that the one "survivor" of Krytpon with all its knowledge and history in its memory banks would be the being that would try to vanquish Superman, or create a humanized version of itself via Superman's DNA and destroy the original.

2.) Lex Luthor: Lex was left on an island, the perfect ending to a man who tried to create his own continent. but the point is he's still alive. and theres something about Lex's diabolical intelligence that serves as a perfect foil to the Big Blue Boyscout (other also from the fact that Spacey is signed on for all 3 films). the end of SR will show to Lex that his intelligence coupled with Kryptonian technology isnt enough to rid him of Supes so it would make sense if he tried to create something that would: he needs some brawns that he can control. that would make use of Bizarro. he can also go on the intellectual route and try to make himself smarter: thus he can create a super-computer that will eventually become Brainiac. this can also pave way for the possible merging of Lex-Brainiac which can serve as a climax to film 2 or can be developed further in film 3.

3.) the whole sub-plot of Richard-Jason: this is something i'm not really too fond of since the last thing i want SR to become is one big soap opera movie. Richard is written in such a way that he cant be a supervillain, he can be a sacrficial lamb however. but the way the subplot is left in SR Richard seems to be something of a "villain" to Superman since he's the competitor for Lois' heart AND the man that Jason identifies as the Father, so that may be the challenge that Singer and Co. may be looking into to build on the sequel. again that really doesnt go down too well with me since it feels very "touchy-feely". this is Superman2 for chrisakes, not The Notebook2.

Not bad.

Mine:

1) I think there should be Brainiac or... Ti-Zor. Remember that Singer took some pretty good elements from script of Abrams, so we can also expect Ti-Zor to be next supervillian for Superman. I see Ti-Zor being some kind of Zod from STAS, but younger and more powerful. Brainiac can also appear in sequel, but I doubt there will be more than 1 fight scene between him and Kal-El. So I think Ti-Zor would be better choice, and Brainiac should stay at 3rd movie. Bizzarro isn't serious character, he is a bit camp and will look like that Atom Man from Superman IV.

2) Lex Luthor will also come back, but now he has a new plan. He can have some early connection with Brainiac or even make a new disaster like falling of kryptonite meteorites from NK.

3) I have feeling that Richard will die by the end of 2nd movie and will return as Parasite (but he will not look like original Parasite) in 3rd movie as for action supervillian. Lois and Jason will be with Clark, and maybe at the end of sequel, the kid will help Superman to beat Ti-Zor. But he will not be Super-kid, just one display of his powers.

 

[DvilDog]

Wow its 6:30 in the morning maybe i should go to bed cause wow.... for the first time in my life i am speechless. Lets just let singer do the sequels how he wants guys.