Superman vs. Hulk: epic, brutal bloodbath

[Gamma Ra]

Both have been beaten before. Every character to my knowledge has been beaten before.

I've never climed Hulk was unbeatable, Mark Ruffalo did.

 

[Gamma Ra]

And no, the Hulk most certainly can't take Superman in a fight. During World War Hulk, someone said that he could send the entire eastern seaboard plummeting into the Atlantic Ocean if he stamped his foot as hard as he could once or twice more. That's Hulk at his strongest and the absolute limits of his power, a level which he hasn't reached since.

On a bad day, Superman can still crack the planet in half with one punch.

"Hulk Is The Strongest One There Is" is just a tagline, not a definitive statement of fact. Just like "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut" is a tagline, as the Juggernaut is stopped often. Even if one takes that statement as true, that likely only applies in comparison to every other Marvel superhero. He's certainly not stronger than cosmic beings like Galactus. And it definitely doesn't apply to characters from other comic companies. Being a 10 on a 1-10 scale doesn't mean anything when put up against a character from a world where, as Superman once put it, the dial goes all the way up to 11.

The Hulk simply cannot take Superman in a straight up fight, and that's the plain truth, and nothing like character complexity or a legacy as the first superhero character has any bearing on that fact.

Did you even read WWH, because if you did, you wouldn't have made the comment about the Eastern Sea Board. Hulk took a normal step for him and that alone caused a major earthquake for hundreds of miles around up and down the ESB?

Hulk continually gets stronger as he fights and there is no limit. NO, he will not get stronger than a Sky-father or Galactus because they are abstracts, but he will get stronger than Superman, who will eventually reach the point where his best blows won't hurt Hulk. Hulk has limitless strength, that's his power, not a tagline. Superman has been beaten by Hulk-clones before and Hulk has beat every Superman-clone Marvel has including Gladiator who is most likely Supes better.

Fighting the Hulk will cause Superman to run out of gas and die like he did when he fought Doomsday. The longer a fight with Hulk leaves most heroes or villains short of Sky-fathers little chances.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Yes, I did read WWH. How else do you think I would remember a one-liner from it? Misremembered, maybe, but I don't feel like digging through my boxes to find it. Besides, it's moot, because once again, that's Hulk at his absolute limit, which he never hit before or hasn't hit since then. Hulk needed to be at his absolute angriest and most powerful to reach that point, when Superman at his normal levels can do far worse damage.

Nevermind that your arguments are all silly. "Because X looks like Y, that means that X=Y". Hulk /= Doomsday and Superman /= Gladiator. Hulk and Doomsday are similar, but Doomsday is on a higher level, just as Superman is.

The most meaningless bit about your argument, though, is the part about "the longer the fight goes". The fight will never get to the point where Hulk reaches World War Hulk levels because Superman will take him down long before that. Hulk has been beaten before and by people far weaker than Superman. He's not some limitless rage machine that can never be beaten because he'll eventually reach WWH levels. That's ridiculous, and his 40 year history bears that out. WWH was a one-time thing, an aberration, and he ONLY got to that point because of the unbelievable levels of rage he was feeling at the time, which was the betrayal of his friends compounded by his belief that they murdered his wife and his people. That's a set of circumstances which'll probably never be replicated again. What could Superman possibly do that'll make him that mad? That'll match up to the sense of personal betrayal and grief that Hulk felt at that point? Not a thing. And if Hulk never got that mad with all the other people who've beaten him up before, then he certainly won't get to that level with Superman, although even if he did, I still very much doubt he could win the fight.

Nevermind that using an exception in a character's development, rather than the norm, in a Vs. argument is by itself indicative of a losing argument. You're taking Hulk from one small period of time and using that in an argument, as opposed to the usual Hulk we've seen through most of his life and the one which currently exists. If that's the case, then one can easily make the same argument with Superman, who's been far more powerful at points in his career than he is, now, like the Kingdom Come Superman, who no longer even felt the effects of Kryptonite, or the Prime Superman from DC 1,000,000.

 

[Gamma Ra]

If a mere regular Hulk step did that much damage to the ESB, an angry Hulk stomp at that level of power, would have done untold damage to the Earth. I can't say I've been reading Superman lately, but I did flick through the Braniac story with that space craft crashing to the earth, didn't Superman get knocked out or hurt trying to stop it? He's not Pre-Crisis levels and can't do the damage to the earth that you mentioned in your above post.

How are my arguments silly? Superman died fighting DD. They're based in the logic of how the characters powers have been shown to work. In fact the guy who wrote the Physics of Superheroes, a physicists and comic book fan, agrees with my conclusions. Superman's a solar battery and Hulk is a fusion reactor and like my signature says "he'll run out of gas, but never the Hulk.

I don't claim Superman can't beat the Hulk, but Hulk will more times than not kick Supes a$$. As I stated, he's beaten every Superman-clone Marvel has. Tell me the General, Konvict and DD haven't kicked Superman's butt, and they're Hulk clones who don't have the Hulk's ability to get stronger?

Why are you trying to argue points I haven't made. I'm not talking about Hulk fighting at WWH levels, Supes is not in that league?

What gives you the right to try to redefine how Hulk's power works? His entire history says he has a limitless strength potential, something his creator gave him and you want to neglect it and change it to fit your desire....it doesn't work that way.

Here's Marvel Comic's Official stance, not your or my wish or false desire.

Powers - The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular.

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