Superman VS the Hulk

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
again though, when you mention that, Grey Hulk was calm and was not expecting it. Many a time Hulk has been taken down when not expecting it. Wolvie slashed the Hulks eyes and took them out but they grew back, recently Hawkeye shot the Hulk in the eyes and the arrows actually broke when they hit. So basically when the Hulk is ready, he can take pretty much anything. Gas and not ready are the two biggest vulnerabilities he has.

As for Varient, it was me that said Grey Hulk stands the best chance of beating Supes and I stick to that. He has the weakest base strength (75 tons) when compared to the Green and Merged Hulk's, but he still has unlimited strength, not to mention a really really bad attitude, like Mr X mentioned look what he did to that wrestler that called himself "the incredible Hulk". So technically he is not the weakest. And he is tough as hell. I believe his encounter with Cosmic Spidey was mentioned? The Captain Universe power, increases the strength of the wielder by a factor of 50. So if you do the math Class 10 x 50 = Class 500.

Anybody else would have been killed after taking a blow like that. Hulk not only survived, but if Im not mistaken still was conscious when he was up in orbit.

Superman's main advantage IMO are his ability to fly and Super Speed, other than that like guvey said, Hulk would pummel Superman to a pulp.

I would tend to agree that the Gray Hulk has the best chance, because there isn't anything he wouldn't do to win a fight.

 

[Senyaka]

Savage Hulk takes this one. When the Hulk gets angry his strength has no limits, Superman will not power-up when he gets angry.

 

[Spider-Hulk]

Originally posted by jonty30
I would tend to agree that the Gray Hulk has the best chance, because there isn't anything he wouldn't do to win a fight.

Exactly my point, he would do anything to beat Superman. Plus the fact he is still the Hulk and we all know Grey Hulk can pack a punch just as good as the Green Hulk, when the situation calls for it.

 

[X]

I know Spider-Hulk, I was just saying...

 

[Spider-Hulk]

I know, a true Hulk fan you are too!

 

[Varient]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Yeah, I definitly agree with you on that Varient. As Guyverjay has said in the past, even Superman has been knocked out in 2 hits before when he wasnt expecting it, by Captain Marvel. And I remember when Doc Sampson tricked The Hulk, and then hit him with this punch that almost took his head off, knocking him out. But as you said, he totally wasnt expecting it...

But, Im going to have to disagree with what you said earlier about The Hulk being able too be killed easily when he's not angry. People have tried to drown him several times when he's at his weakest, it hasnt ever worked, not even when The Juggernaut tryed, The Hulk still got out of it. The Bi Beast tryed to fry him by boiling the blood in his body, and it almost worked, but The Hulk got out of it. Gas has been able to knock him out in the past, I'll admit that, but he can hold his breath for hours on end, which he has taken advantage of at times, that also goes into account when trying to drown him. And he's been frozen completly, blood and all before, off guard, and he's gotten out of it. As Iv said before, The Hulk literally always finds a way, no matter what...

I think to kill the hulk,.. (just like Superman) you have to know of him and don't mess around when you deal with him.

I'm saying a thermonuke under the bed where you just hired a ****e to put puny banner to sleep.

The biggest mistake folk make when fighting the hulk is giving him a chance to get Angry.

 

[Guyverjay]

I'm not I just argue for the underdog and constantly flip flop on a whim

 

[X]

Another thing, The Hulk has actually survived a atomic explosion, 25 megatons I believe, ground zero. He was actually on top of it, and it went off and he had no physical damage, then he smashed into the ground from I dont know how many miles up. I just felt like bringing that up because most Marvel handbooks say he cant survive something like that, and Superman has survived things like that in the past...

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Another thing, The Hulk has actually survived a atomic explosion, 25 megatons I believe, ground zero. He was actually on top of it, and it went off and he had no physical damage, then he smashed into the ground from I dont know how many miles up. I just felt like bringing that up because most Marvel handbooks say he cant survive something like that, and Superman has survived things like that in the past...

Regardless of how tough Hulk is, I think he would die in space because of no air.

 

[Guyverjay]

Lack of oxygen causes brain damage but whose to say that his brain wouldn't keep healing constantly. Keeping him alive in a catatonic state until he gets found, hits a planet etc?

 

[X]

He can hold his breath for hours on end...and he's been in space, with NO air, several times before. He always gets out of it...

 

[X]

Excellent point Guyverjay. The Abomination used to do that...

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Lack of oxygen causes brain damage but whose to say that his brain wouldn't keep healing constantly. Keeping him alive in a catatonic state until he gets found, hits a planet etc?

That actually is a point I need to consider.

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
He can hold his breath for hours on end...and he's been in space, with NO air, several times before. He always gets out of it...

Aside from what Guverjay said, Superman could put Hulk into deep space and make it near impossible to return. Perhaps on a planet where he's by himself.

 

[X]

Thats plausible, but once again, he would just end up back on Earth some day...

Not trying to be an ass, but Dr. Strange tryed it. He looked for a long time for a dimension where he could put The Hulk where he could do no harm, and eventually found the crossroads of infinity. He put him there, and he stayed there for a while. He eventually found his way back to Earth though...Thats kind of what I mean by "He always finds a way..."

 

[Guyverjay]

Plus if he couldn't, Banner could.

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Mr. X
Thats plausible, but once again, he would just end up back on Earth some day...

Not trying to be an ass, but Dr. Strange tryed it. He looked for a long time for a dimension where he could put The Hulk where he could do no harm, and eventually found the crossroads of infinity. He put him there, and he stayed there for a while. He eventually found his way back to Earth though...Thats kind of what I mean by "He always finds a way..."

It kinda lends to my theory that Hulk may actually have trans-dimensional quality about him. It'd explain alot about his character and some of his more intrinsic abilities.

 

[Guyverjay]

You mean his ability to see astral forms?

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
You mean his ability to see astral forms?

Also the fact that it isn't really explained where his increase in mass comes from. My own personal theory is that the Hulk existed prior to the gamma bomb and somehow Bruce got linked with him, but it is only a theory,

 

[X]

Something Iv thought about at times as well, Bruce even mentioned something to that extent once. Check out the thread I just created over at Hulk World...

And The Hulk has many mystical quality's about him, one being when he's killed, he still exists somehow. The Maestro was able to do this and communicate with The Hulk, always leading him back to where the original gamma bomb was set off so The Hulks radiation could slowly help the Maestro reform...

 

[Guyverjay]

Yeah now THAT is weird

I want to see the devil hulk unleashed

 

[War Lord]

Marvel has also pretty much established that without Bruce, hulk doesn't really have a mind. So it's possible that Hulk may have been a killing machine in another dimension.

 

[X]

Without Banner The Hulk was mindless for a while, but he still knew what he wanted. He still wanted a true friend, as shown with Zgorian, the spine parsite and The Puffball collective. And he was capable of compassion, he cryed a couple of times, and still knew how to find food, and remembered things like what foods where poisenous and such. He eventually learned how to speak again as well...The killing machine therory is interesting though...

 

[Guyverjay]

You are quite right, he beocmes a mindless beast without banner BUT he also begins to die without him as well.

 

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
You are quite right, he beocmes a mindless beast without banner BUT he also begins to die without him as well.

That could be the result of the possible joining because of the gamma bomb, who knows what Hulk was like before that. Assuming he existed, of course.