Superman VS the Hulk

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Doesn't a thunder clap--or any motion, for that matter--require some air molecules to propel something? Last time I checked, space was a vacuum. Unless you count a few quarks, which I doubt will be able to help Hulk out much.

Yep, it sure does. However, I'm not entirely sure whether space is a vacuum. I think it does have oxygen in it, it's just that we don't have the (lung) strength to breathe it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading about it in a common misconceptions type article. Also, quashed the thing about the moon having no gravity, when in fact it's just 6.5 times less than our own (i.e. say you can only jump 5 feet up in the air on Earth, then on the Moon you should be able to jump around 30 feet up).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I knew the moon had gravity. I'd heard it before and I had to calculate the stupid thing in physics.

I'm not so sure about the space thing. I know space has particles and maybe atoms in it, but is it enough for something like a thunder-clap to take advantage of? I don't think it'd create the necessary resistance to push the Hulk back at all. He'd just be sitting there clapping mute and impotently.

 

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Doesn't a thunder clap--or any motion, for that matter--require some air molecules to propel something? Last time I checked, space was a vacuum. Unless you count a few quarks, which I doubt will be able to help Hulk out much.

The thunder clap I believe would require air, but my suggestion of punching or kicking in a certain direction could work since basic propulsion can take place in space(otherwise we couldn't launch shuttles).

 

[XFanTim]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
Wouldn't he be able to punch or kick in a certain direction to control his movement, considering the force and speed of his punches and kicks the intertia could probably carry him in a certain direction.

I don't think so. Basically, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting the Hulk could propel himself by recoil forces. I.e. when you punch really hard your muscle's exert a very great force on the bones in your arm, so your arm also exerts a great force on your muscles, causing a recoil. However, the net force experienced by the Hulk from this interaction would include both the force of his muscle's on his arm and the equal and opposite force of his arm on his muscles, so the total force would be zero! This is why a bodies acceleration times it's mass is equal to the (vector) sum of all *external* forces acting on the body. Internal forces naturally cancel eachother out.

Perhaps you're not suggesting he'd propel himself by recoil forces at all, but rather the opposite. Namely that he can punch so hard that his whole body gets essentially dragged along behind his fist. Your mention of "inertia" makes me think you might have actually meant this. In any case, it's still not true, because you're neglecting the "recoil forces" I just mentioned. Unless the Hulk has something to push or pull against, he can't cause himself to experience a net force.

Of course, lot's of other physically impossible things happen in comics all the time, so maybe he could do it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by GammaBeast
The thunder clap I believe would require air, but my suggestion of punching or kicking in a certain direction could work since basic propulsion can take place in space(otherwise we couldn't launch shuttles).

Ok, this question may sound intelligent or completely ignorant, but here goes: shuttles have internal propulsion that's not dependent on the conditions of their surroundings, don't they?

 

[GAMMA MONSTER]

BUT ARNT PART OF HULKS THUNDERCLAPS ENERGY

 

[GammaBeast]

The claps are sonic waves from the force of his hands slamming together.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sonic waves need to bounce off stuff to have any effect though.

 

[gl_summers]

Originally posted by guyverjay

bollocks??? are you english? anyway, if the two people used their powers wisely, superman would obviously win. but in comics, they don't and superman would try and fist fight him, so it could go either way. p.s. pre crises superman wins easily. if he can push the moon out of its orbit hulk is toast........he wouldn't have anytime to get angry, he would be dead.

 

[gl_summers]

and to the person who suggested punching and kicking in space to move your body.....honestly, if you don't understand physics, don't use it your argument.
what would work is tearing off his own arm and throwing it away from him. it'd grow back anyway.

 

[gl_summers]

look, you can talk about different cross overs being false and everything else, but the simple fact is...given superman's range of powers he should win. the best hulk can get is a draw, unless superman makes a big mistake. also, when it comes to feats of strength, moving the moon out of its orbit is MUCH more impressive than holding up a mountain. If you don't believe me, then ask your teacher.

 

[GammaBeast]

The hulk has done more than just lifting the mountain, he destroyed a meteor twice the size of the earth. You need to remember his strength has no limits.

It depends on what hulk he is fighting, we'll say the savage hulk. He could obtain much better than a draw.

 

[X]

Superman went all out and used a good deal of his powers against the Professor, and he just barely won then... He said himself, "Im not holding back" and "He took everything I had, and almost took it". The Savage Hulk could beat him...why dont you scroll through the last couple of pages and see some of the valid points I and others made on The Hulks behalf???

 

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by gl_summers
bollocks??? are you english?

*looks at location*

 

[spider-jide]

In a straight fight hulk will pulverise superman without any doubt.

 

[GL1]

If Superman could get under hulk he might be able to toss him into space... I don't see Superman pounding Savage Hulk to death... heck... I don't see ANYthing ever pounding hulk to death...

 

[DBM]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Sonic waves need to bounce off stuff to have any effect though.

True. Sound waves must have a medium in which to travel through. Typically, as we think of it, this means air. Anything will work though as long as the vibration can happen, i.e. water, walls, string etc.

You can go here to see the Hulk himself explain it for the most part. He's against Gladiator, who is pretty much Superman level.

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/The_Incredible_Hulk_Annual_1997_-_15.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/The_Incredible_Hulk_Annual_1997_-_16.jpg

Many thanks to guyverjay for the scans.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but space is a medium unlike any on Earth. The air is the thinnest medium on Earth and it's swarming with nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen (and I'm sure a bunch of other ones I don't know about) atoms. Space has a few disparate quarks and stuff. I don't think that'd be enough for Hulk to use the thunderclap.

 

[GammaBeast]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Yeah, but space is a medium unlike any on Earth. The air is the thinnest medium on Earth and it's swarming with nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen (and I'm sure a bunch of other ones I don't know about) atoms. Space has a few disparate quarks and stuff. I don't think that'd be enough for Hulk to use the thunderclap.

I guess it would depend on two things, exactly how far out into space they are, and exactly how hard the Hulk slams his hands together.

 

[gl_summers]

he could thunderclap, but due to the lack of particles, it would achieve F**K all.

 

[GAMMA MONSTER]

who says superman can get him into space

 

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
who says superman can get him into space

Well gladiator was a millisecond away from acheiving that

also what you guys are forgetting is that even though his thunderclap won't produce a sonic boom the fact that he his hitting you in the temples is going to make you let him go ala gladiator

 

[X]

The Hulk could of thunder clapped Gladiator's head anytime he wanted to...he was staring right down at him when he started...then he stated, I have about 3 seconds to do something... The Savage Hulk wouldent let anyone get him up that far, I just think the mind of Banner was trying to come up with the most effective approach to the situation... The Savage Hulk would wrap his hands around whoever was trying to fly him up then and try to choke the ****ing life out of him, all the way through re entry and probably right through the crash back to Earth...

 

[Guyverjay]

To be honest gladiator had taken him to the edge of earths atmosphere in ONE panel. Banner had to quickly think of something because choking a guy who doesn't have to breathe wouldn't achieve a whole lot. The savage Hulk wouldn't have made glads let go in time imo

Glads had options as well, he could have heat visioned hulk in the face while flying him up.

 

[X]

One panel?

He flew off with him, then The Hulk started to think, and so on... It was more then one panel...

The Gladiator could of done the same thing, heat vision The hulk on the way up, but he didnt. I dont think that would go through Supes mind in that span of time when he's trying to carry a raging 1,200 pound monster into space... And if The Hulk started choking Superman, he would start feeling it... The only reason he can breath in space and such is because his bio matrix force field acts like a life support system, and enraged Hulk choking him would probably affect him... If not, The Hulk would just thunderclap him and punch in the face...