SUPERNATURAL Season 8! - Part 1

[Kar]

Let's be real, we knew they weren't shutting the gates down. No happy endings for SPN. Sure they averted the Apocalypse but Sam went to Hell.

I hope the angels falling from the sky have a drastic effect on the world. People HAD to have seen that. That could be a big game changer. A good one.

 

[Sawyer]

Dat finale. DAT ENDING! Dat Jeremy Carver.

Annoying Amelia subplot aside, job well done this season, Carver.

 

[Anno_Domini]

My little, tiny, only complaint is...how does Metatron expect to stay in Heaven if those three trials expelled angels from paradise? My only guess would be there's a clause that archangels stay.

 

[Marvolo]

My little, tiny, only complaint is...how does Metatron expect to stay in Heaven if those three trials expelled angels from paradise? My only guess would be there's a clause that archangels stay.

They weren't trials. They were ingredients. In Metatron's own words "Its a spell". Spells are finicky and it probably had a by clause or some loophole he extorted to stay in heaven. God used it to cast out Lucifer and only Lucifer. Perhaps the caster can direct it at the ones he chooses which would allow him to direct it at all the angels but himself.

Great finale. That ending may be my favorite finale ending. "The angels...they're falling..." Can't believe Metatron turned out to be a crazy recluse out for revenge. What a dick.

Besides that terrible Amelia subplot, I would rank this season alongside 1-5. A return to form. Abadon is going to be trouble. I hate that they killed Naomi. I wanted to see more of her. Cas as a fallen angel without his grace will be interesting next season. Repentant Crowley was very satisfying and a good turn by the actor.

And its about damn time the brothers did the smart thing in a finale. For once I don't feel like they are completely screwed. They actually didn't screw up anything. They did everything the best they could and understood when to cut their losses. Sam stopped the trials, and Dean and him had a heart to heart. Crowley is still chained. Cas was the only one who messed up, but he got played so its not really his fault.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

EPIC finale! I'm glad I wasn't disappointed! I can understand why they said now that Cass will be a regular next season, since we most likely are gonna see him hunting with the boys, now that he's human. Pretty much everything was great!

 

[ravn0s]

wow that ending was shockingly awesome and unexpected.

 

[Kar]

EPIC finale! I'm glad I wasn't disappointed! I can understand why they said now that Cass will be a regular next season, since we most likely are gonna see him hunting with the boys, now that he's human. Pretty much everything was great!

Oh he'll be a "regular" alright. Lol

But Anno, Metatron isn't an Archangel. I am bummed about Naomi too. She would have made a great ally. I hope Cas becomes a hunter. This is something I wanted to happen at the end of 5. Same for Kevin. He's just as much a brother to the boys as Cas has become.

 

[ravn0s]

i hope cas's mind wasn't wiped because i would love to see him doing some hunting as a human.

also, with cas human and the angels out of heaven, could the show be heading towards that 2014 future dean visited?

 

[Kar]

Doubt it seeing as how the angels left Earth in that future, not Heaven.

Now with Cas being human they definitely ups the ante for the boys. No more quick healing, teleporting, resurrection, etc.

 

[Donut]

& with no Angels the Demons are now free to do anything. Unless they introduce something else in the premiere

 

[Kar]

There are angels though. Just not in Heaven. They're all now stuck on Earth.

What would be interesting is if the angels try to takeover Earth now that they don't have a home anymore. Or better yet, try to takeover Hell. Now with a cured (?) Crowley no one's in charge. Abbadon has definitely showed interest in taking over. I'd like to see her form her own army, like maybe choose some new Knights of Hell to takeover. So many possibilities. I hope one of these things happen.

 

[Omegabat]

Fantastic finale but objectively speaking the central plot had tons of plot holes.

For starters does anyone else feel as if these Heaven trials(or spell ingredients) and Metatron were shoehorned in to the plot? same goes for Abaddon.

I also felt that the trails should only have had to be completed by humans,killing the niphilim,taking a cupid's bow and ripping an angels grace are too easy imo for another angel especially if the impact was gonna be as big as it turned out.
The second trial completely crapped over season 6,I still dont understand why Naomi freed Castiel,Bobby conveniently happened to be in hell,the demon curing recordings just happened to be in Sam and Dean's lap etc.

Oh and dont forget the useless subplots with Amelia and Benny.

 

[iamlegend]

I'm not sure why you even watch this show anymore. If it's so bad, give it up. Seriously. All I see you do is complain.

It's entirely possible that I won't tune in next year. I'll have to see if the bad taste most of this season left has faded by then. As of right now, I no longer really care where the story goes. It's just a mess of awful writing.

 

[Kar]

Fantastic finale but objectively speaking the central plot had tons of plot holes.

For starters does anyone else feel as if these Heaven trials(or spell ingredients) and Metatron were shoehorned in to the plot? same goes for Abaddon.

I also felt that the trails should only have had to be completed by humans,killing the niphilim,taking a cupid's bow and ripping an angels grace are too easy imo for another angel especially if the impact was gonna be as big as it turned out.
The second trial completely crapped over season 6,I still dont understand why Naomi freed Castiel,Bobby conveniently happened to be in hell,the demon curing recordings just happened to be in Sam and Dean's lap etc.

Oh and dont forget the useless subplots with Amelia and Benny.

I don't understand how those things felt "shoehorned" in when Metatron was mentioned back in season 7. The only thing I can agree with you though was how convenient it was that Bobby was in Hell. Honestly that whole episode felt forced to me, probably the only one I had a big complaint with this whole season. And Amelia wasn't a waste, and yet at the same time she was. I honestly forgot about her until the Road so Far recap. The whole point of her was to give Sam something normal for a change. The idea just didn't work out well for us. And Benny wasn't a waste, because if it wasn't for him Dean would have never gotten out of Purgatory nor would have Sam and Bobby. The way they fit him into the main plot was clever a little.

And Naomi freed Castiel (which she was only able to do after Dean was freed cause no one knew where he was) to have someone on the inside of the tablet hunt that the Winchesters could trust (if this hasn't been stated, then this is just my theory).

You gotta admit this season did a great job of working with the sloppiness of the previous two. Imagine how season 6 would have been if Carver took over from the jump. This season seemed like a better follow up than what Gamble had.

And about the recordings, I think you're forgetting the bunker has every spell and texts dedicated to the supernatural. So it would make sense that it's there.

 

[Omegabat]

I don't understand how those things felt "shoehorned" in when Metatron was mentioned back in season 7. The only thing I can agree with you though was how convenient it was that Bobby was in Hell. Honestly that whole episode felt forced to me, probably the only one I had a big complaint with this whole season. And Amelia wasn't a waste, and yet at the same time she was. I honestly forgot about her until the Road so Far recap. The whole point of her was to give Sam something normal for a change. The idea just didn't work out well for us. And Benny wasn't a waste, because if it wasn't for him Dean would have never gotten out of Purgatory nor would have Sam and Bobby. The way they fit him into the main plot was clever a little.

And Naomi freed Castiel (which she was only able to do after Dean was freed cause no one knew where he was) to have someone on the inside of the tablet hunt that the Winchesters could trust (if this hasn't been stated, then this is just my theory).

You gotta admit this season did a great job of working with the sloppiness of the previous two. Imagine how season 6 would have been if Carver took over from the jump. This season seemed like a better follow up than what Gamble had.

And about the recordings, I think you're forgetting the bunker has every spell and texts dedicated to the supernatural. So it would make sense that it's there.

Metatron only got a passing mention back in season 7 and the 7th episode of this season,this story was about the demon tablet and shutting the gates of hell but none of that happened,instead Metatron shows up and kicks all angels out of heaven,the story itself is great but it happened too fast imo and easily too.
Benny had incredible potential but the next thing you know he's back in Purgatory(lol wut?).
I also dont have a problem with Men of Letters having those recordings,it's how easily the boys were able to discover them that bothers me.Overall my biggest complaint is that the trials were too easy or were made too easy.

On a side note I would have preferred if Sam shut the gates of hell and died,that way he could have gone to heaven and found Bobby,John etc and rallied all the human souls against Metatron ,Dean and powerless Cas could operate from Earth.

 

[Omegabat]

Oh and Mark Sheppard=perfection.

 

[X-Ray]

The finale was okay.

Never really thought they would close the gates to hell. So when they didn't. It was no big deal. I just didn't like the reason behind it. So Sam is going to die... again. Big f'n whoop. Death is a revolving door to these guys. They die and we'll see them 4 months later.

Interesting twist with Metatron. Banishing all the angels from heaven was a cool scene. Too bad about Naomi. She was underused this season. Could have played a bigger role next season on Earth.

Next season the boys may need to die, go to heaven and kick some Metatron ass. They would have all their old allies up there. Bobby, Jo, Ellen, Ash, Rufus, their parents (maybe the younger version of John because I don't see JDM returning), etc. Or find Anti-Christ & have him kill Metatron. If I remember right, the boy can kill all the angels in heaven with a single thought. He'll just have one in this case.

 

[Kar]

I hope the writers don't use that idea of the boys dying to go to Heaven otherwise Sam should have just died in the finale.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

Oh he'll be a "regular" alright. Lol

Actually I don't mean like before, I mean like from now on we have more chances to see him in almost every episode, since he is "human".

But Anno, Metatron isn't an Archangel. I am bummed about Naomi too. She would have made a great ally. I hope Cas becomes a hunter. This is something I wanted to happen at the end of 5. Same for Kevin. He's just as much a brother to the boys as Cas has become.

Cass, Dean, Sam, Kevin. They should all work together in their headquarters! I kinda like the idea really.

Oh and dont forget the useless subplots with Amelia and Benny.

The problem is not Amelia, the problem is YOU GUYS, who always look into a character more than you should. Amelia was meant for Sam while Dean was away, when Sam tried to live a normal life. NOTHING MORE! What do you want her to do? Become GOD?

Same for Benny, he was meant to be Dean's friend and he sacrificed himself for Dean (BUT his bones aren't burned, so we still have the posibility of his return!). I don't really see it as a plothole just cause he died in a short while.

Metatron only got a passing mention back in season 7 and the 7th episode of this season,this story was about the demon tablet and shutting the gates of hell but none of that happened,instead Metatron shows up and kicks all angels out of heaven,the story itself is great but it happened too fast imo and easily too.

Since when did the boys had it all that easy? And without demons & angels, what villains would we have?

Benny had incredible potential but the next thing you know he's back in Purgatory(lol wut?).

He had potential and it was used well, probably not great but well.

I also dont have a problem with Men of Letters having those recordings,it's how easily the boys were able to discover them that bothers me.Overall my biggest complaint is that the trials were too easy or were made too easy.

idk what you'd expect really? Sam pulling a ship with his teeth?

On a side note I would have preferred if Sam shut the gates of hell and died,that way he could have gone to heaven and found Bobby,John etc and rallied all the human souls against Metatron ,Dean and powerless Cas could operate from Earth.

Say w00t? John is NOT in heaven, it was mentioned. As for Bobby, as much as I loved him, people need to get over the fact that he is done for and resting in peace in Heaven just like Jo & Ellen probably. If SPN keeps bringing dead people back and won't let them rest, it will become a huge joke (at some times it already lost its drama since certain characters always come back one way or the other).

That aside, I would love to see John meeting with the boys again a long the way, maybe at the end of this show, in some form.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

It's entirely possible that I won't tune in next year. I'll have to see if the bad taste most of this season left has faded by then. As of right now, I no longer really care where the story goes. It's just a mess of awful writing.

I fully agree with slimshady, I mean you always find a fault. If you think that its awful, you should just stop watching. I mean God knows I had my complaints of this show on Season 6 & 7 and even now it's far from flawless, but man, I don't think everything is bad about it. But of course, if you need PERFECTION or if you need things the way you see it entirely, then maybe you should just stop watching if you find it that awful! It's not gonna be perfect, nothing is! As much as people praise Nolan's trilogy for example, there are some faults than can be find there too!

I mean jeez, what did you expect? This show was based on the whole Lucifer vs. Michael thing from the start! That's how it was built! Of course the seasons that come after that, since basically it was stretched, won't be as great nor as exciting but I say the writers did a decent to good job after using the best material, so it could've been worse. Anyway since you complained since season 6, I can't understand why you keep watching? I mean personally I couldn't watch a show I don't like anymore, just for the sake of watching.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Supernatural is moving to Tuesdays next season following The Originals.

They weren't trials. They were ingredients. In Metatron's own words "Its a spell". Spells are finicky and it probably had a by clause or some loophole he extorted to stay in heaven. God used it to cast out Lucifer and only Lucifer. Perhaps the caster can direct it at the ones he chooses which would allow him to direct it at all the angels but himself.

Forgot about Metatron mentioning it was a spell since they were three things and felt like trials....I wonder if there are trials in that angel tablet then?

 

[Mikelus]

I mean jeez, what did you expect? This show was based on the whole Lucifer vs. Michael thing from the start! That's how it was built! Of course the seasons that come after that, since basically it was stretched, won't be as great nor as exciting but I say the writers did a decent to good job after using the best material, so it could've been worse. Anyway since you complained since season 6, I can't understand why you keep watching? I mean personally I couldn't watch a show I don't like anymore, just for the sake of watching.

That's what I did, I stop watching after S7. The show should've ended back on S5 when it was at its best. It has overstayed its welcome like Smallville did, but apparently the CW wants to milk it till S10 or whatever. That's why shows should have an end date, I think 5-7 years is more than enough for any series.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I could've stopped at season seven, which was definitely the series' worst, but giving it a shot for season eight was a good thing, imo.

That's not like Smallville which, when it got worse during season five, I tried to give it a try but it went downhill from season six onwards for a couple more seasons until it finally died. And him being a proto-Superman during the last seasons was just awful, imo.

 

[slimshady247]

That's what I did, I stop watching after S7. The show should've ended back on S5 when it was at its best. It has overstayed its welcome like Smallville did, but apparently the CW wants to milk it till S10 or whatever. That's why shows should have an end date, I think 5-7 years is more than enough for any series.

Of course you'd say that without having watched Season 8. It's improved a lot. It just needed a shot in the arm in the form of Carver. Which means: we'll actually get another 2 good seasons before it's done. No milking.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

It has overstayed its welcome like Smallville did, but apparently the CW wants to milk it till S10 or whatever. That's why shows should have an end date, I think 5-7 years is more than enough for any series.

To be honest, I would love it they finally stop at season 10, that being the last. It's still good, but it just feels it's been here for so long, the fillers don't excite me anymore for example, we've already witnessed pretty much everything when it comes to lore.

I could've stopped at season seven, which was definitely the series' worst, but giving it a shot for season eight was a good thing, imo.

That's not like Smallville which, when it got worse during season five, I tried to give it a try but it went downhill from season six onwards for a couple more seasons until it finally died. And him being a proto-Superman during the last seasons was just awful, imo.

Of course you'd say that without having watched Season 8. It's improved a lot. It just needed a shot in the arm in the form of Carver. Which means: we'll actually get another 2 good seasons before it's done. No milking.

I totally agree with these!! Which is why I want the show to be ended while it's still good, with a great finale! It went a bit downhill with season 6 & 7, but manage to come back with this 8 season when Carver took over! Personally I'm glad they did and I hope it can end up on a high, hopefully with Season 10.

Oh and btw, speaking of Crowley beeing cured, wait a sec guys, he is not cured! Didn't Sam stopped before finishing the trial or did I miss something? I would LOVE if he becomes human and they keep him on the show though!