The Last Jedi Supreme Leader Snoke

[TheVileOne]

Have you looked at the TFA Art book or the special features on the Deluxe Edition blu-ray? That gash isn't even the half of it. His body is all ****ed up.

Something cool: Snoke's top K9 teeth are shaped...like a vampire's fangs. Obviously Snoke isn't a vampire, but the design team mentioned that the Hammer Horror films were an inspiration for the design of Snoke. So it's neat that they gave him teeth that we associate with vampires. He also has pointed black claws.

Oh and the purple gums could either be something unique to his species...or it could be due to a lack of oxygen because he doesn't breathe...because he is dead and being animated by a dark side spirit or some other mystical dark side mechanism. Seriously, look at him and tell me he doesn't look like a corpse. Just something to think about.

Could just be his incisors. Everyone has those.

 

[Marvolo]

In the new Aftermath: Empire's End book, Leia has a force vision/dream of a dark presence reaching out across space and placing a smothering hand over her mouth, she sees an advancing dark presence blotting out the stars, and Luke is calling out to her. And Ben is unsettled in her womb. This coupled with Palpatine receiving mental "signals" from the Unknown Regions that only he could sense makes me think that Snoke was the dark presence and that he was literally effecting Ben while he was still in the womb, and that he was manipulating Palpatine into coming to the Unknown Regions.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can only imagine what he wants from Ben, to be playing that kind of long game. It was mentioned that only Palpatine could sense the Dark presence out in the Unknown Regions while Vader could not. Was that deliberate on Snoke's part, or was it just that Palpatine was the only one powerful enough to be pick up on that entity.

 

[Marvolo]

I can only imagine what he wants from Ben, to be playing that kind of long game. It was mentioned that only Palpatine could sense the Dark presence out in the Unknown Regions while Vader could not. Was that deliberate on Snoke's part, or was it just that Palpatine was the only one powerful enough to be pick up on that entity.

I've been wondering about that. I think it could be a combination of both those reasons. I think Snoke targeted Palpatine, because he was so powerful. And he could probably also tell that Palpatine was 100% devoted to the dark side and impossible to sway from the dark side. A person like Palpatine could serve him better than a severely compromised person like Vader. Vader is nearly more machine than man, requires constant medical treatment, dies without his suit, and is compromised by a repressed love for his son. Even Vader's motivation for going to the Dark Side was noble and for love which is of the light side. Palpatine on the other hand was a devoted zealot of the Dark Side. A man that joined the dark side for selfish ignoble reasons: power and control. Palpatine was about as pure dark side as they come. That sort of person has to be more attractive to Snoke than Vader. And Snoke may have felt that he could manipulate a person like Palpatine more easily than a no-nonsense "shove it up your ass" person like Vader.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I've seen someone mention this and I thought it was interesting, but when Palpatine makes his declaration of the new order taking over he refers to it as the "First" Galactic Empire. Now, most people (myself included) would look at that and think he means first in reference to it being the first Empire the republic/society had seen...but I've seen some view it another way, that Palpatine meant first in the sense that it was going to be the first of many Galactic Empires and that he planned on spreading his power beyond the known galaxy into the great void and use whatever was calling to him as means to further his control.

I'm still pretty sure that the line is just as it was intended, but it's an interesting thought that maybe he went out there to conquer and Snoke took the resources for his own purpose after Palpatine had died.

 

[Marvolo]

And there is his plan to consider, an empire that kills him or allows him to die isn't worthy of existing so he planned for the Empire that failed him to be brought down. That's the gist of it right? Well, maybe even back in ROTS he recognized the fact that he might die and his Empire would have be eradicated and reborn into a second stronger Empire.

I think you are right that when Lucas wrote that line it was meant exactly how it sounds, but also right about it possibly having another meaning, at least, now it may have a double meaning depending on what is planned for the new canon.

Something about Snoke that I wouldn't mind being true is...what if he was adrift in intergalactic space? The space between galaxies. Maybe he was trapped between galaxies on a derelict ship or in some prison. Near the edge of the Unknown Regions of the galaxy we see in the films, but incapable of reaching the star wars galaxy without help. So he reaches out to Palpatine to achieve freedom. As for how he ended up in intergalactic space, either he was imprisoned there to keep anyone from finding him and releasing him, he was traveling from another galaxy, or he and others were attempting to travel beyond the known galaxy and failed for some reason. Possibly drive failure or maybe the ship he was on had no faster than light drive.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's not completely without basis either. We know that Lucas and Filoni ok'd a version of the Yuuzhan Zong for a Clone Wars arc that was never animated due to the series cancellation. So at least going back to Lucas' ideas, an extragalactic threat fits into the series mythology.

 

[Marvolo]

It's not completely without basis either. We know that Lucas and Filoni ok'd a version of the Yuuzhan Zong for a Clone Wars arc that was never animated due to the series cancellation. So at least going back to Lucas' ideas, an extragalactic threat fits into the series mythology.

It'd be pretty shocking if the First Order is a red herring. Snoke comes to the galaxy. Helps the First Order gain enough strength to destroy the larger government, the New Republic, sows chaos, and when the First Order and the Resistance are distracted just enough Snoke's people/army invade the galaxy to claim it for themselves. Snoke could have a fleet and army of Dark Side users out there, and Palpatine might have unwittingly or knowingly given Snoke the keys to the front door.

That being said, I'm not sure two films gives them enough runtime to pull something like that off. These two films already have to deal with Rey, Luke, Ben, Snoke, the Jedi and their history, possibly the Acolytes who may or may not be the Knights of Ren, the war between the First Order and Resistance/New Republic, the Dark Side...that's a lot and putting a secret intergalactic army/faction on top of that would probably overburden TLJ and IX. But its certainly fun to speculate about.

 

[wampa1]

It'd be pretty shocking if the First Order is a red herring. Snoke comes to the galaxy. Helps the First Order gain enough strength to destroy the larger government, the New Republic, sows chaos, and when the First Order and the Resistance are distracted just enough Snoke's people/army invade the galaxy to claim it for themselves. Snoke could have a fleet and army of Dark Side users out there, and Palpatine might have unwittingly or knowingly given Snoke the keys to the front door.

That's been my theory for ages. Snoke used the FO to build Starkiller base, the FO Use it to destroy the New Republic, the Resistance would then destroy the FO (who all just happen to be at Starkiller base). thus leaving a power vacuum.

 

[kickass]

In the new Aftermath: Empire's End book, Leia has a force vision/dream of a dark presence reaching out across space and placing a smothering hand over her mouth, she sees an advancing dark presence blotting out the stars, and Luke is calling out to her. And Ben is unsettled in her womb. This coupled with Palpatine receiving mental "signals" from the Unknown Regions that only he could sense makes me think that Snoke was the dark presence and that he was literally effecting Ben while he was still in the womb, and that he was manipulating Palpatine into coming to the Unknown Regions.

It's funny that you mention this, especially the part about an advanced dark presence blotting out the stars...

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Someone on Reddit who claims to know a lot about the film said by the end of Episode 8, Snoke will have released the physical entity of the dark side and it forms like a thick black cloud and slowly blankets the galaxy...and this was all said weeks before that book was released...I find that potential coincidence interesting....

 

[Octoberist]

It's funny that you mention this, especially the part about an advanced dark presence blotting out the stars...

Spoiler

Someone on Reddit who claims to know a lot about the film said by the end of Episode 8, Snoke will have released the physical entity of the dark side and it forms like a thick black cloud and slowly blankets the galaxy...and this was all said weeks before that book was released...I find that potential coincidence interesting....

That's a tricky thing to pull off unless it's handled really well.

Spoiler

Then you'll end up with the black cloud thing in The Fifth Element (NOTE: I love Fifth Element).

 

[Marvolo]

Aftermath: Empire's End leaked early so its possible whoever posted that "Dark Side Cloud" rumor got the idea from the Empire's End leak or mistook the Empire's End info for a TLJ spoiler.

 

[Brother Jack]

That's a pretty silly idea, and gets into a midichlorian-level of over explanation of elements in the mythology that should remain mysterious.

 

[Solidus]

The Dark Side Cloud is nothing more than a metaphor. I think it's obvious that it's Leia just having premonitions that her son may be tempted by the Dark side. That and Snoke may already be watching him.

Also reddit, yeah, lots of salt required.

In the book what is being described seems to be obviously a metaphor just like "a shadow creeping across the land etc. Having read the book, I think it's clearly metaphor.

 

[Octoberist]

I thought that it was obvious, haha. But some fans take things too literally.

 

[Marvolo]

The cloud is a metaphor, but I dont think the presence Leia feels is a metaphor. I think something was definitely reaching out to Leia and Ben.

Just finished Empire's End and Rax mentions a curious detail about the Unknown Regions. Not many people venture into the Unknown Regions. Palpatine had specific coordinates for Rax to use. Rax mentions that those that have went into the Unknown Regions without known coordinates or a map are either never heard from again or send back messages of static or messages of madness that make no sense. And when the Imperial Remnant jumps away from Jakku into the Unknown Regions the New Republic assumes they are committing suicide. Really makes you wander just what id hiding out there. Waiting in the void.

Hopefully after Episode 8 or 9 we will get a Grand Admiral Sloane book detailing her time in the Unknown Regions with the Huxes and the Imperial Remnant. Id love to know what sort of crazy **** is in those Regions.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well we know that there is that one race of beings, with that particular fellow who had an art fetish...

 

[Solidus]

The cloud is a metaphor, but I dont think the presence Leia feels is a metaphor. I think something was definitely reaching out to Leia and Ben.

Just finished Empire's End and Rax mentions a curious detail about the Unknown Regions. Not many people venture into the Unknown Regions. Palpatine had specific coordinates for Rax to use. Rax mentions that those that have went into the Unknown Regions without known coordinates or a map are either never heard from again or send back messages of static or messages of madness that make no sense. And when the Imperial Remnant jumps away from Jakku into the Unknown Regions the New Republic assumes they are committing suicide. Really makes you wander just what id hiding out there. Waiting in the void.

Hopefully after Episode 8 or 9 we will get a Grand Admiral Sloane book detailing her time in the Unknown Regions with the Huxes and the Imperial Remnant. Id love to know what sort of crazy **** is in those Regions.

Yeah, I think to me anyways it was clear it was Snoke who's been watching him his whole life. There may be something out there, I'm just saying it's not some dark cloud or whatever was said above.

 

[jaqua99]

Could just be his incisors. Everyone has those.

Snoke does look dead. Ohp, reanimated dead Plagueis body. Lol

That render really doesn't look like the Snoke we saw in the movie. Maybe it was the lighting, but Snoke looked more "cute". In a baby-face kind of way. Not as corpse like as in that render

 

[Marvolo]

Snoke does look dead. Ohp, reanimated dead Plagueis body. Lol

That render really doesn't look like the Snoke we saw in the movie. Maybe it was the lighting, but Snoke looked more "cute". In a baby-face kind of way. Not as corpse like as in that render

It looks different because that render is fully lit with white light. Snoke in the film is largely in shadow and we only get a couple of semi well lit shots of the right side of his face and he is shown in a predominately monochromatic environment.

Plus he was a hologram. Theyve already said that when we see snoke in person hes going to be a lot more detailed and visible. Id expect him to look more like that render. Tho Im willing to bet his scar tissue wont be quite as pink as it is in that render. Thats probably so pink to add contrast to the render.

 

[StarLord]

Oh My Gawwwwwww...

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[Rowsdower!]

Given that they went with the "Supreme Leader" title, I really wish they would have given Snoke a terrible haircut.

 

[darthcoolness3]

Snoke could be a new dark side being or Disney pulled the Darth Maul card and Snoke is actually Darth Sidious and the energy from the Death Star 2's reactor affected his body very badly.

 

[Broseph44]

Snoke could be a new dark side being or Disney pulled the Darth Maul card and Snoke is actually Darth Sidious and the energy from the Death Star 2's reactor affected his body very badly.

I really hope you don't seriously even think that's a possibility

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Snoke is the definitely the person, or thing, that Palpatine sensed in the Unknown Regions. They've been building up to it too much for it to not be that.