Surprise!

[FlameHead]

I did read it...your initial response to my initial post was paper thin...and since then you have nothing to fall back on so you keep saying "read my words' Yeah...you arent saying much. You cant explain why Blackheart didnt even warn them about the Hellfire...heck, he even knew about the penance stare...so he clearly knew Ghost riders powers...which doesn't explain why he didnt kill Ghost rider before taking those sould...Blackhearts immortal...he should have been smart enough to figure out that adding 1000 sould inside him 9for no real reason) was going to be the ONLY way that Ghost Rider could beat him. Blackheart defeated himself basically.

Okay, so even if BH did warn them about the Hellfire (and there is no way for us to know if he did or not) what the hell could they do about it?

Also, maybe BH wasn't researched enough to know about the contract. Maybe he didn't fully know what was going to happen when he used it. Sorta like Blade when he read the Darkhold page to create switchblade. He thought upon reading, everything supernatural would cease to exist. In reality, he just got the power to hunt and kill all supernatural kind.

There is another side to every coin my friend. If you focus only on what side you want, you really are missing out on some great things.

In my opinion, the villains were weak because Ghost Rider is strong. One of the reasons why I've always loved this character his his ability to never let anything get in his way of vengeance. The only chance any of his villains ever had in the comics is by running and hiding. Once GR got his hands on them, it was over. To me, they captured that perfectly in the film, which is why I don't mind that they were dispensed so easily. In fact, I probably would have been disappointed if they were able to do anything to Ghost Rider besides slow him down.

 

[Heretic]

EXACTLY...Ghost rider cant hurt me at all...hes easy picking and I could kill him at will...instead I wont even tell my henchmen about his powers and let hime asily kill them...then i'll remove my invulnerablity to his powers so he will be able to kill me.

THEN ITS ON!!!!!

 

[FlameHead]

First of all, just because his penance stare would work on BH, doesn't mean GR could not have beaten him. He could have just pummeled him with his bare bony hellfire covered fists as well (which I would have really loved to have seen).

And again, why do you assume that his henchmen didn't know?

 

[Heretic]

I assume they didnt know about the Hellfire because he beat them with complete ease. Why would they take a job they knew they couldnt win?

however, Blackheart DID know about the Hellfire. He knew all about the Ghost Riders and knew that they were his dads favorite weapons. He knew the riders, he knew their powers, then he picked henchmen that could be easily killed by those powers and never warned them of it.

Also, to assume that Blackheart didnt know that he would be vulnerable to ghost rider after getting 1000 souls (theres still no valid reason how that would have changed anything) then he would be a total fool who waited a lifetime to launch a plan he had not even remotely thought through.

 

[Demon Within]

First of all, just because his penance stare would work on BH, doesn't mean GR could not have beaten him. He could have just pummeled him with his bare bony hellfire covered fists as well (which I would have really loved to have seen).

And again, why do you assume that his henchmen didn't know?

Is that why BH one shotted GR the first time around? Not to mention BH used almost no power outside of that frost touch stuff the whole movie.

 

[FlameHead]

I assume they didnt know about the Hellfire because he beat them with complete ease. Why would they take a job they knew they couldnt win?

They way I see it, they had no choice. Either face the wraith of BlackHeart and Ghost Rider or just Ghost Rider. They went with the odds.

however, Blackheart DID know about the Hellfire. He knew all about the Ghost Riders and knew that they were his dads favorite weapons. He knew the riders, he knew their powers, then he picked henchmen that could be easily killed by those powers and never warned them of it.

You assume there are many demons on earth from which BH could choose. Perhaps these are the only 3?

Also, to assume that Blackheart didnt know that he would be vulnerable to ghost rider after getting 1000 souls (theres still no valid reason how that would have changed anything) then he would be a total fool who waited a lifetime to launch a plan he had not even remotely thought through.

You can think a plan through a million times and miss one key factor in making that plan come to fruition. For example, not knowing that Ghost Rider would have 2 allies; Carter and Roxanne. They both were vital in helping stop BH.

 

[Heretic]

I dont see how carter and Roxanne were really helpful at all. It has been praised by GR movie fans how Ghost Rider seemed to instinctly know what to do, how to fight. As if the demon knew what was up and Cage was just doing the moves. Roxanne never would have helped if she hadnt been a hindrance first (take her out of the movie and Ghost Rider wins easily).

 

[Demon Within]

They way I see it, they had no choice. Either face the wraith of BlackHeart and Ghost Rider or just Ghost Rider. They went with the odds.



You assume there are many demons on earth from which BH could choose. Perhaps these are the only 3?



You can think a plan through a million times and miss one key factor in making that plan come to fruition. For example, not knowing that Ghost Rider would have 2 allies; Carter and Roxanne. They both were vital in helping stop BH.

I THINK your giving to much credit to the makers if you really believe this is what they intended. Its a plot whole simple as that.

 

[FlameHead]

I'm not giving credit to anything. These are just maybes and plausible maybes at that.

What I THINK is that people are over analyzing this movie just to find things they want to hate. It was fun. Simple. Exciting. Fun.

 

[Demon Within]

I'm not giving credit to anything. These are just maybes and plausible maybes at that.

What I THINK is that people are over analyzing this movie just to find things they want to hate. It was fun. Simple. Exciting. Fun.

I gave it a 7/10. Hardly hate. Unlike alot of people I AM unbiased in my review of movies. I truly believe GR>X3. At the same time GR has major issues including the oblitiration of Blackheart as a character.

 

[FlameHead]

I wasn't necessarily referring to you...

Blackheart to me worked in the story that was told in this movie. I truly believe he did. I believe he now can learn from this mistake in his young demon life, grow, and turn into a franchise villain.

 

[Heretic]

Oh, Ghost rider is better than X3 based on the The Juggernaut alone. I laughed all the way through GR, I was insulted by X3. X3 wasnt even unintentionally funny.

 

[CAH]

Blackheart I thought was just fine. Although I thought his whole 'Legion' part and the whole "final battle" itself were a bit weak...I thought it was all still great. And just because we DIDN'T see Blackheart's "true form" in the film, it DOESN'T mean that we won't in a sequel...Christ, we know he'll back...at least, he should be...along, of course, with Mephisto.

Or here's a storyline: Have GR goe to hell (or be taken there) and when there, he can only see Meph and BH in their "true" comic book forms...seems good to me.

Anyways, yes...I believe what Flame said is true. People are just picking WAY too deep just to find something that they want to hate...

CAH

 

[Demon Within]

I wasn't necessarily referring to you...

Blackheart to me worked in the story that was told in this movie. I truly believe he did. I believe he now can learn from this mistake in his young demon life, grow, and turn into a franchise villain.

Dude im almost positive Blackheart is not a "young" demon.

How can you say with a straight face Blackheart worked in this movie? A hybrid goth/emo who talked a big game but balled like a pre teen against a pro is not "working" its sucking and boring.

Meet Blackheart. He is one of the most POWERFUL beings in Marvels universe.

Meet wes bently. Notice he looks nothing like one of the most powerful beings in a marvel universe. He also displays no power except an icy touch that frankly I use on my wife after shoveling snow with no gloves on.

Imagine if this

was made this for the movie, except with red and yellow "fire hair". It would be a slap in the face if i said "well it worked for what they were doing in the movie".

 

[Demon Within]

Oh, Ghost rider is better than X3 based on the The Juggernaut alone. I laughed all the way through GR, I was insulted by X3. X3 wasnt even unintentionally funny.

Very true.

 

[The Kid]

Yeah it's weird. When this film was in production, nobody really cared. But now that it's out hypsters seem to be posing as huge ghost rider fanatics they never were before.

I'll be honest. I didn't really care about this movie until I saw it and liked what I saw. If I thought it was trash, I'd forget about it and go have some sex instead of make threads and crap.

 

[Demon Within]

BTW if no one laughs at my picture post im gonna be pissed. After review I laughed at myself so I know its funny dammit.

 

[PenanceStare]

I love that scene.

 

[InVictus]

Dude im almost positive Blackheart is not a "young" demon.

Err, BH was born in a Daredevil issue, by the focusing of evil done in hundreds of years in a particular place, so he is a Very young demon, especially compared to Mephisto, but he is quite powerful.

 

[Heretic]

Err, BH was born in a Daredevil issue, by the focusing of evil done in hundreds of years in a particular place, so he is a Very young demon, especially compared to Mephisto, but he is quite powerful.

Youre using the comics to explain the movie...and 98% of people who see this movie will never read the comic. try again.

(PS: No, it doesnt matter if youre right...that was never established in movie continuity).

 

[Demon Within]

Err, BH was born in a Daredevil issue, by the focusing of evil done in hundreds of years in a particular place, so he is a Very young demon, especially compared to Mephisto, but he is quite powerful.

I used the evil done over years as his age more then when he "took shape". But you are correct.

 

[Krimasen]

Actually, I didn't think GR could transform under water either, but then again, hellfire probably doesn't have the same vulnerabilities as true fire...the bad guys were poorly conceived (esp. that weak "Legion" demon instead of real Blackheart), but the point of the movie was merely to set things up....Ghost Rider 2 had better blow this one straight out of the water. t:

 

[Pilgrim]

I thought when the souls started going into blackheart he seemed a bit shocked as if he didn't know that was going to happen....also maybe he didn't warn the hidden about the hellfire because he's the son of the devil and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself like in the scene where ghost rider kills the earth element (forget his name) he yells for help and they just leave.

 

[Demon Within]

Ghost Rider 2 will blow if its anything like this one. t:

I hear ya brother.

 

[Heretic]

I thought when the souls started going into blackheart he seemed a bit shocked as if he didn't know that was going to happen....also maybe he didn't warn the hidden about the hellfire because he's the son of the devil and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself like in the scene where ghost rider kills the earth element (forget his name) he yells for help and they just leave.

Yes, because villians always want their other members to be quickly killed...so they can then attack the hero one on one and suffer the same fate.