Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid pissing Muslims off

[Whirlysplat]

No. It was faked. Just like the moon landing.

Really?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Or you can say a celldog/Memphis Slim thread.

lol, I could. The internet is serious business?

 

[Fenrir]

lol, I could. The internet is serious business?

Serious enough to kill for.

 

[raybia]

More hatred towards Muslims and Jews in France: Holocaust survivor
Anti-Arab sentiment stronger than anti-Semitic, says former French cabinet minister
Irwin Block, The Gazette
Published: Saturday, October 13

Muslims, not Jews, have the most to fear from discrimination in France, says a Holocaust survivor and former French cabinet minister.

"Let's not exaggerate," Simone Veil said last week in response to questions about violence against Jews in France and the resulting immigration of some to Israel and Canada, especially Quebec.

Veil, 80, made the comments during a lunch sponsored by the Azrieli Foundation, founded by developer David Azrieli in 1989 to promote education and research.
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Born Simone Jacob in Nice, France, Veil was deported with her family to Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp in March 1944, where her parents and brother perished.

Veil was the keynote speaker as the foundation published six memoirs written by Canadian survivors of the Holocaust.

Radical Islamists are behind some violent incidents against Jews in certain French neighbourhoods, Veil told reporters, but she stressed: "Anti-Arab sentiment is much stronger in France than anti-Semitism."

Overt anti-Semitism is virtually limited to elements in the left and motivated by opposition to Israel's treatment of Palestinians, she observed.

Members of France's 600,000-member Jewish community are much better integrated than the country's 5 million to

6 million Muslims, Veil said.

Younger Muslims, in the absence of parental control, often are influenced by a "hierarchy that is extremely militant and anti-Jewish," she added.

"That's where the problem is."

The publishing program was guided by York University's Centre for Jewish Studies. The memoirs are to be sent to libraries across Canada, and Holocaust memorial and historical institutions around the world.

The foundation supports programs to keep at-risk students in school and promising graduate-level students at Israeli universities.

[email protected]

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazet...=85ca8e66-a12c-40b0-9ce8-95823057df6c&k=46226

 

[Kelly]

Thats probably very true....

 

[raybia]

Also don't even think about questioning the Holocaust in France.

Frenchman convicted for Holocaust denial

9 November 2007

SAVERGNE - A 38-year-old French chemical engineer was sentenced on Thursday to one year in prison and fined 10,000 euros (14,600 dollars) for Holocaust denial.

Vincent Reynouard, who lives in Belgium, was convicted for writing a 16-page pamphlet in 2005 entitled "Holocaust? The Hidden Facts."

The work sent to museums and city halls across France described as "an old propaganda theme" the death of six million Jews during World War II, saying such an extermination was "impossible."

It was the heaviest sentence handed down to date for Holocaust denial in France.

AFP

Subject: French news

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=45808

 

[Fenrir]

Also don't even think about questioning the Holocaust in France.

I wonder what would've happened if this was a French forum?

Dumbass poster: hey guyz, whats a holocaust??

*BANNED*

lolz

 

[raybia]

In my opinion this is the true lesson of the Holocaust. While the number of victims may be debated by some the focus should be as Howard Zinn describes:




Respecting the Holocaust
by Howard Zinn
The Progressive magazine, November 1999


Fifteen years ago, when I was teaching at Boston University, I was asked by a Jewish group to give a talk on the Holocaust. I spoke that evening, but not about the Holocaust of World War II, the genocide of six million Jews. It was the mid-eighties, and the U.S. government was supporting death squads in Central America, so I spoke of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of peasants in Guatemala and El Salvador, victims of American policy.

My point was that the memory of the Jewish Holocaust should not be circled by barbed wire, morally ghettoized, kept isolated from other atrocities in history. To remember what happened to the six million Jews, I said, served no important purpose unless it aroused indignation, anger, action against all atrocities, anywhere in the world.

A few days later, in the campus newspaper, there was a letter from a faculty member who had heard me speak. He was a Jewish refugee who had left Europe for Argentina and then the United States. He objected strenuously to my extending the moral issue from Jews in Europe during the war to people in other parts of the world in our time. The Holocaust was a sacred memory, a unique event, he said. And he was outraged that, invited to speak on the Jewish Holocaust, I had chosen to speak about other matters.
I was reminded of this experience when I recently read a book by Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American Life (Houghton Mifflin, 1999). Novick's starting point is the following question: Why, fifty years after the event, does the Holocaust play a more prominent role in this country-the Holocaust Museum in Washington, hundreds of Holocaust programs in schools-than it did in the first decades after World War II?

Surely at the core of the memory of the Holocaust is a horror that should not be forgotten. But around that core, whose integrity needs no enhancement, there has grown up an industry of memorialists who have labored to keep that memory alive for purposes of their own, Novick points out.
Some Jews have used the Holocaust as a way of preserving a unique identity, which they see threatened by intermarriage and assimilation.

Zionists have used the Holocaust, since the 1967 war, to justify further Israeli expansion into Palestinian land and to build support for a beleaguered Israel (more beleaguered-as David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, predicted-once it occupied the West Bank and Gaza).

And non-Jewish politicians have used the Holocaust to curry favor with the numerically small but influential Jewish voters-note the solemn pronouncements of Presidents wearing yarmulkes to accentuate their anguished sympathy.

All who have taken seriously the admonition "Never Again" must ask ourselves-as we observe the horrors around us in the world-if we have used that phrase as a beginning or as an end to our moral concern.

I would not have become a historian if I thought that it would become my professional duty to never emerge from the past, to study long-gone events and remember them only for their uniqueness, not connecting them to events going on in my time.

If the Holocaust is to have any meaning, we must transfer our anger to today's brutalities. We must respect the memory of the Jewish Holocaust by refusing to allow atrocities to take place now.

When Jews turn inward to concentrate on their own history and look away from the ordeal of others, they are, with terrible irony, doing exactly what the rest of the world did in allowing the genocide to happen.

There have been shameful moments, travesties of Jewish humanism, as when Jewish organizations lobbied against Congressional recognition of the Armenian Holocaust of 1915 on the ground that it diluted the memory of the Jewish Holocaust. The designers of the Holocaust Museum dropped the idea of mentioning the Armenian genocide after lobbying by the Israeli government, among others.

Another such moment came when Elie Wiesel, chair of President Carter's Commission on the Holocaust, refused to include in a description of the Holocaust Hitler's killing of millions of non-Jews.

That would be, he said, to "falsify" the reality "in the name of misguided universalism," Novick quotes Wiesel as saying, "They are stealing the Holocaust from us."

As a result, the Holocaust Museum gave only passing mention to the five million or more non-Jews who died in the Nazi camps.

To build a wall around the uniqueness of the Jewish Holocaust is to abandon the idea that humankind is all one, that we are all-of whatever color, nationality, religion-deserving of equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

What happened to the Jews under Hitler is unique in its details, but it shares universal characteristics with many other events in human history: the Atlantic slave trade, the genocide against Native Americans, and the injuries and deaths to millions of working people who were victims of the capitalist ethos that put profit before human life.

In recent years, while paying more and more homage to the Holocaust as a central symbol of man's cruelty to man, we have, by silence and inaction, collaborated in an endless chain of cruelties.

There have been the massacres of Rwanda, and the starvation in Somalia, with our government watching and doing nothing.

There were the death squads in Latin America and the decimation of the population of East Timor, with our government actively collaborating. Our churchgoing Christian Presidents, so pious in their references to the genocide against the Jews, kept supplying the instruments of death to the perpetrators of these atrocities.

I am reminded of the last stanza of the poem "Scottsboro, Too, Is Worth Its Song," by Countee Cullen: "Surely, I said/now will the poets sing./But they have raised no cry./I wonder why."

Then there are horrors that are not state-sponsored but still take a biblical toll, horrors that are within our power to end. Paul Farmer describes these in detail in his remarkable new book, Infections and Inequalities: The Modern Plagues (University of California, 1999). He notes the deaths of ten million children all over the world who die every year of malnutrition and preventable diseases. The World Health Organization estimates that three million people died last year of tuberculosis, which is preventable and curable, as Farmer has proved in his medical work in Haiti. With a small portion of our military budget we could wipe out that disease.

My point is not to diminish the experience of the Jewish Holocaust, but to enlarge upon it.

For Jews, it means to reclaim the tradition of Jewish universal humanism against an Israel-centered nationalism. Or, as Novick puts it, to go back to "that larger social consciousness that was the hallmark of the American Jewry of my youth." That larger consciousness was displayed in recent years by those Israelis who protested the beating of Palestinians in the Intifada and who demonstrated against the invasion of Lebanon.

For others, whether Armenians or Native Americans or Africans or Bosnians, it means to use their own bloody histories not to set themselves against others but to create a larger solidarity against the holders of wealth and power, the perpetrators and collaborators of the ongoing horrors of our time.

The Holocaust might serve a powerful purpose if it led us to think of the world today as wartime Germany-where millions die while the rest of the population obediently goes about its business. It is a frightening thought that the Nazis, in defeat, were victorious: today Germany, tomorrow the world. That is, until we withdraw our obedience.

Howard Zinn, author of "A People's History of the United States: 1492-Present" (HarperPerennial, 1995), is a columnist for The Progressive.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/RespectingHolocaust.html

 

[strikezone89]

that's stupid

 

[raybia]

that's stupid

I think I'll go with Howard Zinn's educated in depth analysis over...who are you?

Maybe you should go back to reading your comic books.

 

[Red Mask]

Politics continues to distort the importance of history. It's truly sad when schools can't teach such histories to inspire greater humanity in their students.

 

[Kelly]

I don't really like the title of the thread, because it infers that "all teachers" are not allowed to teach this history.....and I would probably correctly say that it is a very small percentage that are not allowed to teach this in their classes.

 

[Red Mask]

But it's still disturbing that it's happened.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, but there are school districts all over the country making stupid decisions on all kinds of choices in their curriculum....

 

[Zoken]

And got this from ONE woman?? And since it sounded good to you, you decided that it was true? Inspite of thousands of years of research and books on this religion being extremely polytheistic, you will ignore all of the facts for this one woman's opinion??

Come on Zoken.... Think man!

Um... it wasn't her opinion. It was her religious beliefs, taught to her by her parents.

and what "Thousands of years of Research and books" are you talking about out of curiosity? Because, I'm more willing ot believe the woman I spoke to than you, who I know to be biased.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Um... it wasn't her opinion. It was her religious beliefs, taught to her by her parents.

and what "Thousands of years of Research and books" are you talking about out of curiosity? Because, I'm more willing ot believe the woman I spoke to than you, who I know to be biased.

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[Memphis Slim]

And thats just a few........

It is beautiful here in Cancun by the way....

 

[Mr Sparkle]

And got this from ONE woman?? And since it sounded good to you, you decided that it was true? Inspite of thousands of years of research and books on this religion being extremely polytheistic, you will ignore all of the facts for this one woman's opinion??

Come on Zoken.... Think man!

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come on Celldog.

" think man!"

 

[raybia]

come on Celldog.

" think man!"

Memphis and Islam: One man's crusade.

 

[Superhobo]

Memphis and Islam: One man's crusade.

MEMPHIS SLIM



"Because facts and literacy skills sucks."

 

[Superhobo]

And thats just a few........

It is beautiful here in Cancun by the way....

At least it isn't a religion that claims to be specifically monotheistic when its whole basis contradicts that definition, like some religions I could mention...

 

[Whirlysplat]

*sits back*

and ups his ever increasing post count into the bargain.

 

[Carcharodon]

MEMPHIS SLIM



"Because facts and literacy skills sucks."

 

[Whirlysplat]

NO! DOnt listen to crazy jew lies.

By the way your school system sucks.

Interesting sentence structure.

So, if the holocaust happened, why do so many academics question it?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Serious enough to kill for.