Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

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I don't think Cameron is remotely interested in directing another Terminator. He basically said as much even before Terminator 3 came out.

And the main reason he did two was that T2 was the Terminator he always wanted to make, but obviously in 1984 he didn't have the money or the technology.

 

[DyeLorean]

She deserved better. I don't dislike Dark Fate but it sure was a big "been there, done that".
I think it would've been better received if we didn't have three sequels in between.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Her return did feel like a cash grab. "That new Halloween movie brought back Jamie Lee Curtis so lets bring back Sarah Connor as a badass old woman. It worked for them it will work for us too!"

 

[Bary]

She deserved better. I don't dislike Dark Fate but it sure was a big "been there, done that".
I think it would've been better received if we didn't have three sequels in between.

I said the same for genysis if it had the original 3 lead actors back and cleaned up the time traveling backwards and forwards and had come out in the 90’s instead of 2015.

 

[samsnee]

25 years ago today, Sknyet would have become self-aware if not for Sarah and John Connor. Thank you for your service

 

[shauner111]

I still haven’t seen Terminator: Jenny Smith but Dark Fate insulted me. I don’t think I’ve ever been so disappointed in a sequel before.

 

[squeekness]

I thought Dark Fate was decent enough. Not as good as Salvation, but enjoyable enough.

 

[shauner111]

I only saw Salvation once when it came out but I thought it was below average and mostly forgettable. This whole franchise has sucked post-T2. They should have waited after 1991 and came out with a third Cameron film 20 years later. Cast John Connor properly. Or better yet, Judgment Day was the perfect ending. Just re-release it in theatres every 10 years.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah every sequel post-T2 makes the ending to T2 meaningless. Because apparently no matter how many times you stop Judgment Day, it just finds a way to keep happening. And like, maybe if this was a series where time travel was the main focus and the whole point was that you can’t actually change key things that happen in the timeline, that would be fine. But that’s kind of the opposite of the point. Time travel is the device both Skynet and the humans use to win the war and every movie hammers that point home, yet the effort is always thwarted in the next installment.

 

[shauner111]

There’s no thought put into any sequels. Dollar signs only. T2 was literal perfection with that ending. I don’t respect a single director who decides to take on a Terminator sequel.

 

[Deck Rickard]

There’s no thought put into any sequels. Dollar signs only. T2 was literal perfection with that ending. I don’t respect a single director who decides to take on a Terminator sequel.

Yeah. T2 wraps up the story perfectly. Not everything needs to be a trilogy or more. T3 was just a bad rehash of T2, only with a John Connor who is somehow more useless as an adult than as a child. Salvation at least had a chance to do something unique and different but it totally sucked. Genysis tried to go back to copying the old format and the result was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. I only watched about the first half hour of Dark Fate and realized I just didn’t care anymore.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

25 years ago today, Sknyet would have become self-aware if not for Sarah and John Connor. Thank you for your service

I'm sure John is still in Congress and Sarah is somewhere being a great grandma.

 

[TheVileOne]

There’s no thought put into any sequels. Dollar signs only. T2 was literal perfection with that ending. I don’t respect a single director who decides to take on a Terminator sequel.

I think the general problem with all the Terminator follow-ups after T2 is that every single one is chasing the shadow of something they can never reach. They are trying to mimic T2's perfection but they never can, so everything comes off as lesser than T2 or mediocre as a result.

 

[The Chris]

For me T1 and T2 are just a damn perfect 1/2 punch as a story so it feels like everything else is so needless. The fact that these people who have made Terminator movies have brought nothing fresh to the table really doesn’t help either.

 

[TheVileOne]

For me T1 and T2 are just a damn perfect 1/2 punch as a story so it feels like everything else is so needless. The fact that these people who have made Terminator movies have brought nothing fresh to the table really doesn’t help either.

I mean if you look at all the sequels or reboots, they are all just basically rehashing or just remixing what James Cameron did. Same sequences, same outcomes, just slightly mixed up or slightly different.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think T3 and Dark Fate have been the best sequels to T2. But yeah both have kinda gone against what happened in T2 in one way or another.

DF actually set up something interesting for the future with the new version of Skynet that was different to the previous one. And with possibly a war between new Skynet and old. But they played DF too familiar for people to care. Especially after Salvation and Genysis had **** the bed.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Genysis kind of destroyed any box office hope for Dark Fate. Had it been released in 2015 instead, it might have had a chance.

 

[squeekness]

I think the general problem with all the Terminator follow-ups after T2 is that every single one is chasing the shadow of something they can never reach. They are trying to mimic T2's perfection but they never can, so everything comes off as lesser than T2 or mediocre as a result.

Pretty much. T2 was far and away the best of the series, particularly the extended cut.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It's funny. As a kid, I watched T2 literally like every weekend, but as an adult, I rewatched The Terminator more times than I can count.

I love the slasher aspects of it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think T3 and Dark Fate have been the best sequels to T2. But yeah both have kinda gone against what happened in T2 in one way or another.

DF actually set up something interesting for the future with the new version of Skynet that was different to the previous one. And with possibly a war between new Skynet and old. But they played DF too familiar for people to care. Especially after Salvation and Genysis had **** the bed.

You still had the nonsense of the alternate T-800 growing a conscience and a sense of moral right and wrong on its own and never really seeing it happen. Also becoming a father and husband.

Also the fridging of John Connor.

 

[Deck Rickard]

You still had the nonsense of the alternate T-800 growing a conscience and a sense of moral right and wrong on its own and never really seeing it happen. Also becoming a father and husband.

Also the fridging of John Connor.

I think that’s why I couldn’t get into it. They couldn’t figure out a good way to use John Connor after T2, first turning him into some sort of useless drifter, then as a freedom fighter who gets sidelined for most of the movie, and finally as a ****ing evil Terminator hybrid. So then they just threw up their hands and killed him as a child. Which maybe could have been interesting if you now have no idea what to do to save the future. But then, conveniently, another character just becomes the new John Connor and they have to protect her. It’s such lazy writing.

 

[TheVileOne]

And the problem with Salvation which was really the best place to go for the franchise is the writers couldn't crack writing a story about John Connor. The whole premise of Salvation was pitched as a Marcus story and John Connor is a minor character and then John Connor dies and Marcus BECOMES John Connor to give the people a savior and legend to uphold and prop them up and get behind to win the war.

It sounds like they brought on Jonathan Nolan to heft out the John Connor parts, but it still felt like Marcus's story. Marcus is the audience's surrogate and window-in character for the movie. He's the movie's true protagonist. They simply added in some John Connor scenes to round out his role, but they feel shoehorned and badly integrated.

The original writers of T4 were writing a movie about Marcus and like human/cyborg hybrids that took over the world and were the real Skynet. I mean that's weird and all but it's also not Terminator. Skynet is/was a self-aware AI program. It's a thinking/learning computer. It's not the tool of a group of human/cyborg hybrids who are trying to get dominion over the earth and like create a goofy utopia where they have human cyborg orgies and do whatever they want.

The problem with the new human/cyborgs being in charge is basically that it ruins Skynet, something else the writers couldn't figure out.

 

[Drizzle]

A Future War movie that resembled the opening scene of T2 and still maintaining the same continuity as T1/T2 was all I wanted. It wouldn't have even mattered that it would have been an alternate timeline due to it being prevented in T2 but it would have just been awesome to see an army of T-800s wrecking everything. That's what Salvation should and could have been and yet it somehow was just...boring.

 

[Maximus One]

I just want a holographic Terminator model. I think that feels like a natural progression from the T-1000. Sadly, they just regressed.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

A Future War movie that resembled the opening scene of T2 and still maintaining the same continuity as T1/T2 was all I wanted. It wouldn't have even mattered that it would have been an alternate timeline due to it being prevented in T2 but it would have just been awesome to see an army of T-800s wrecking everything. That's what Salvation should and could have been and yet it somehow was just...boring.

Hell, I've always wanted a movie about Kyle Reese and his squad trying to stave off the Terminators while John Connor and his team create the time machine to send him back to 1984. The ending obviously sets up what we saw in T1.

Pretty much what the story of the Terminator: Resistance game was, but with Reese as the protagonist.