Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[-JKR-]

"Wonder Woman" was pretty good, but when it came out people were acting like there had never been strong women in starring roles before.

Ellen Ripley.
Sarah Connor.

It was pretty ridiculous. So yeah, James Cameron's reaction to the "hooplah" sorrounding "Wonder Woman"'s release back then was actually spot on.

He preceded Patty Jenkins by decades, and without any SJW narrative. He just did it. And it was great.

The same happened with "Black Panther," and once again people started acting like Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes and Will Smith had never existed.

I don't know what drug people are doing nowadays, but it sure as hell ain't pot, because that's not what pot does to you.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I mean...I do think Davis does look kind of attractive with this look.

I like tough women who can fight.

She gives me serious flashbacks with that haircut...

Mary Stuart Masterson as Watts in Some Kind of Wonderful.

 

[Mandon Knight]

She gives me serious flashbacks with that haircut...

Mary Stuart Masterson as Watts in Some Kind of Wonderful.

I only ever loved two things in my life, my drums....and you....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"Wonder Woman" was pretty good, but when it came out people were acting like there had never been strong women in starring roles before.

Ellen Ripley.
Sarah Connor.

It was pretty ridiculous. So yeah, James Cameron's reaction to the "hooplah" sorrounding "Wonder Woman"'s release back then was actually spot on.

He preceded Patty Jenkins by decades, and without any SJW narrative. He just did it. And it was great.

Without a SJW narrative? Female empowerment is a SJW narrative?

The most interesting part of this is that like Cameron, you are telling women they got too excited about an icon of female empowerment having a kick ass movie, come out during the superhero flick golden age, where there were none. This is before we get into the exploration of themes that go beyond just having a "strong woman".

You also missed the bit where he was telling Patty Jenkins that Wonder Woman looks "too perfect". As if she isn't a literal Goddess, and the female equivalent of Superman.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[-JKR-]

There's a difference between female empowerment and SJW narrative. And nowadays we're mostly surrounded by SJW narrative and fake "oohs" and "aahs." Funny women? Wowza! When did they erase Academy Award winner Whoopi Goldberg from your memory??

I like that there are strong and funny female characters on the big screen. I've ALWAYS liked it. So let's not act like this just started happening lately, because of course James Cameron will be rolling his eyes. And I will, too.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Without a SJW narrative? Female empowerment is a SJW narrative?

The most interesting part of this is that like Cameron, you are telling women they got too excited about an icon of female empowerment having a kick ass movie, come out during the superhero flick golden age, where there were none. This is before we get into the exploration of themes that go beyond just having a "strong woman".

You also missed the bit where he was telling Patty Jenkins that Wonder Woman looks "too perfect". As if she isn't a literal Goddess, and the female equivalent of Superman.

Females were empowered long before trendy twitter warriors and marketed feminism. They fought in wars, made discoveries, wrote great pieces of literature, led nations. Can't believe people believe in this twitter "empowering" hype these days. Seriously baffling.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's a difference between female empowerment and SJW narrative. And nowadays we're mostly surrounded by SJW narrative and fake "oohs" and "aahs." Funny women? Wowza! When did they erase Academy Award winner Whoopi Goldberg from your memory??

I like that there are strong and funny female characters on the big screen. I've ALWAYS liked it. So let's not act like this just started happening lately.

Do you realize that you are claiming exception as some sort of proof of equality in these things, which actually demonstrate the exact opposite?

Cameron should have been like, "It's nice to see this becoming trend, not an exception". Especially as so much of the actual substance, the meat here, is about how women being the creative behind these projects add a lot more authenticity to the female characters voice, actions and feelings. Something that GoT shows us is very much necessary.

I also noticed you ignored that women the part where women found something they were missing in Wonder Woman. Which is kind of important.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Females were empowered long before trendy twitter warriors and marketed feminism. They fought in wars, made discoveries, wrote great pieces of literature, led nations. Can't believe people believe in this twitter "empowering" hype these days. Seriously baffling.

Which is why we see so many stories about those women.

I love it, love it when men tell women, that they have plenty of roles in front and behind the camera, even when the numbers back up that BS isn't true. ****ing hell.

 

[OutOfBoose]

This one probably proves that the guy dies in the car. Which the teaser trailer revealed.

 

[Snow Queen]

"Wonder Woman" was pretty good, but when it came out people were acting like there had never been strong women in starring roles before.

Ellen Ripley.
Sarah Connor.

It was pretty ridiculous. So yeah, James Cameron's reaction to the "hooplah" sorrounding "Wonder Woman"'s release back then was actually spot on.

He preceded Patty Jenkins by decades, and without any SJW narrative. He just did it. And it was great.

The same happened with "Black Panther," and once again people started acting like Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes and Will Smith had never existed.

I don't know what drug people are doing nowadays, but it sure as hell ain't pot, because that's not what pot does to you.

No one said there had never been a female/black lead before. But there is a difference between them when women/black people are getting to tell those stories and bring their own lived perspective, and there's an irony in a guy swooping in to say they're doing it wrong. Especially as he complains "it's just male Hollywood doing the same old thing," bypassing the fact that, unlike with his films (obviously) it actually is a woman behind the camera. Those movies touched the cords they did not solely for the fact they had a lead that was a woman or a mostly black cast, but for those perspectives.

 

[henzINNIT]

I think it even makes the idea of, "There is no fate but what we make " even stronger. John has to make his own past, to create a future for mankind. It isn't set, because it is up to him. It works so well, and actually gives us that story where John is finally able to be the man we know he is destined to be. But nah... **** it.

I've always imagined future John to be a pretty warped individual tbh. Living by dates and prophecy, knowingly sending his father back in time. Maybe some reluctance on his part, but of course Kyle volunteers anyway.

This is part of why I quite like T3. For all of its flaws, Stahl's Connor is already contemplating fate and destiny, and seems to come to terms with it all in the closing moments. I also like the reveal that the Arnold model in that film successfully killed John before being sent back. If taken from this deterministic viewpoint, future John ultimately allowed it to happen, bringing everything full-circle. Of course it butchers the timeline along the way, but with a bit of mental gymnastics it is a pretty decent extension of the original's loop.

 

[Mandon Knight]

heh, but what about that CGI heh......heh.....oh......

 

[DarthSkywalker]

heh, but what about that CGI heh......heh.....oh......

Well the movie will have what, the third best CGI? After T2 and Salvation.

 

[-JKR-]

Well the movie will have what, the third best CGI? After T2 and Salvation.

I'm pretty sure the effects will be polished by October.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm pretty sure the effects will be polished by October.

Said so often and yet rarely do we see a vast improvement in the quality. Mainly as these shots are built for the trailer, so they get a lot of extra work. Just in general though, a bit more polish does not mean this CGI is going to look good, as it does not look good here.

 

[Nardz937]

The trailer immediately put a bad taste in my mouth when it played an established lyrical song because it's what the Salvation and Genisys trailers did, too. "The Day The Whole World Went Away", "I'd Love To Change The World" and now "Hunter".

Just play one of Junkie XL's scores or the theme.

 

[-JKR-]

He expressed an opinion about a movie and the marketing push and overblown agenda surrounding it. The director happened to be female. He didn't speak down to a woman. Or does feminism mean that female professionals can't take any criticism?

 

[OutOfBoose]

I have no idea what you mean with the first part.

The point is that when people defend Cameron's words when he criticizes "babe in a skimpy outfit" as a feminist portrayal of a female on big screen, it's being deflected as "but it's made by a female". Who gives a **** if it's made by a female or a male? It's not the point. For decades we hear whining how females are objectified by wearing sexy outfits, yet when a female director does that, it's nothing really. Because a female "finally" got a camera in her hands. Which is also BS.

As to the second part. Again, you avoid the point. Do you know how many movies Patty Jenkins has directed since her first in 2001? 4, including Wonder Woman 1984. She directed Monster (2003), which was highly praised for the work Jenkins and Theron did in creating her Oscar winning performance, and then she didn't direct another film until Wonder Woman, which came out in 2017. Regulated to one off and pilots on television shows.

There is 1 female director for every 24 male directors in Hollywood. Seriously dude, what is the point you think you are making? That women directors exist? Yeah. But there are far less and they have shorter self-lives. They are actual numbers to show it.

There Are Almost 24 Male Directors for Every Female Director in Hollywood

And who's fault is that? Someone forced Jenkins out of the business? For many years females can do whatever they like. And plenty of females reached great heights if they were dedicated enough. Females only now realized that there are female astronauts, filmmakers, writers, programmers, designers, politicians and they can be one too? Don't make me laugh.

 

[-JKR-]

Said so often and yet rarely do we see a vast improvement in the quality. Mainly as these shots are built for the trailer, so they get a lot of extra work. Just in general though, a bit more polish does not mean this CGI is going to look good, as it does not look good here.

Just look at the CGI in the teaser trailer for "Deadpool" and the final movie. Big difference. Same director.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just look at the CGI in the teaser trailer for "Deadpool" and the final movie. Big difference. Same director.

But the CGI did not look good in Deadpool. A movie I love by the way, but the CGI was not of a strong standard. And while I understand it had a limited budget, it didn't have that many scenes. I don't know what CGI houses are working on this film or what teams they have working on it, but even improved CGI here isn't necessarily going to look good. Because it looked bad in this trailer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The point is that when people defend Cameron's words when he criticizes "babe in a skimpy outfit" as a feminist portrayal of a female on big screen, it's being deflected as "but it's made by a female". Who gives a **** if it's made by a female or a male? It's not the point. For decades we hear whining how females are objectified by wearing sexy outfits, yet when a female director does that, it's nothing really. Because a female "finally" got a camera in her hands. Which is also BS.
And who's fault is that? Someone forced Jenkins out of the business? For many years females can do whatever they like. And plenty of females reached great heights if they were dedicated enough. Females only now realized that there are female astronauts, filmmakers, writers, programmers, designers, politicians and they can be one too? Don't make me laugh.

 

[OutOfBoose]

CGI in DP looked good enough to not be distracting. Was it some mind-blowing "Thanos in his finest close-ups" graphics? Nope. But it did enough to work for that particular film. So the job is done.

In case of TDF, there's only one shot that look really icky - when Luna jumps off his truck with a steel bar. They will probably fix it or change for the final film. What bothers me a lot more - young John Connor, young Hamilton and young Arnold. I hope it's not **** like Genisys.

 

[Mandon Knight]

This thread, at the moment....

 

[-JKR-]

But the CGI did not look good in Deadpool. A movie I love by the way, but the CGI was not of a strong standard. And while I understand it had a limited budget, it didn't have that many scenes. I don't know what CGI houses are working on this film or what teams they have working on it, but even improved CGI here isn't necessarily going to look good. Because it looked bad in this trailer.

Personally, I thought that the CGI looked very good in "Deadpool." Even despite its limited budget.