Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[TheVileOne]

Yeesh.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Remember that femnazi scene? "Move it, Reese! On your feet, solder! On your feet!". I just thought it was beginning of the end. Chicks ordering Men? What is this world coming to, bro? And now a female cyborg...

 

[TheVileOne]

Call me a chauvinist if you want, but I still think the movie looks like garbage.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The movie looks like garbage, but it has nothing to do with women in the lead roles.

 

[Zorro]

"Femnazi" is a thing now? Wow. I took that part in Geneysis as a reference to Sarah saying it to Reese in the original

Sarah Connor was the protagonist in the original film and a major part in the 2nd. Terminator 3 had a female terminator and so the franchise has always been a mix of action men and female empowerment.

This is a direct sequel to T2 and ignores the rest and so it makes sense to have badass sarah again as the protagonist or a major role. Old Man Arnold will likely still get to shoot guns and stuff

Sarah Connor Chronicles had a female terminator protector and the comics/novels has had female protagonists as well

 

[TheVileOne]

The movie looks like garbage, but it has nothing to do with women in the lead roles.

I still found that Variety headline obnoxious. Like, OK you made a Terminator sequel and you are simply riding the coattails of T1 and T2. Simmer down.

 

[jmc]

Call me a chauvinist if you want, but I still think the movie looks like garbage.

Patriarchal scum!

 

[dark_b]

its sad that today that is the only way to promote a female lead action movie. it never works out.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I still found that Variety headline obnoxious. Like, OK you made a Terminator sequels and you are simply riding the coattails of T1 and T2. Simmer down.

It's certainly not the first obnoxious promo. There was "force is female" and other. Just ****ing make great movies with great female characters. And they will speak for themselves.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's a crutch for movies that don't have any other leg to stand on, so they play the "look how feminist we are" card.

Characters like Sarah Connor, Ellen Ripley, and Imperator Furiosa aren't bad-ass because they're women, they just....are. Their badassery speaks for itself without anything else needing to be said.

Which is really what true equality and representation is.

 

[MadVillainy]

its sad that today that is the only way to promote a female lead action movie. it never works out.

And it's just so corny using diversity as your roll out. It comes across trying to profit off real issues and real discussions that should be happening. Like you're trying so hard to prove that you're not racist, homophobic, sexist or any less woke that to me it comes across as pandering and borderline offensive. At least to me a black man.

And I'm all for diversity. I didn't care that Ghostbusters were made all women (although I had problems with how they handled that line up), I don't care that CM is the strongest hero in the MCU (although I do think she is too strong). I'm not against diversity at all, but when you're doing interviews and putting HERo in the marketing, it just comes across really phony and pandering. Like all the companies who changed their logo for pride month only to change it back at the very start of a new month. Or when companies make all these Black History Month posts and otherwise don't really show support for black people.

 

[jmc]

These companies can throw up as much anti-minsogynst stuff they want, the reality is a good chunk of people could care less if you're trying to stick it to a small batch of no-name people online.

 

[terry78]

It can get grating but at the same time Hollywood kinda brought this **** on themselves. When you alienate a group you tend to overcompensate later.

 

[MadVillainy]

It can get grating but at the same time Hollywood kinda brought this **** on themselves. When you alienate a group you tend to overcompensate later.

I don't buy that at all because
1) TV is very diverse, at least compared to movies, and they don't pander anywhere near as much as Hollywood films with diversity. They've found away to be inclusive or at least attempt to without
2) Back in the day, they had around the same amount of diverse movies without pandering or at least not pandering as much. You had stuff like all those Taye Diggs movies that were predominately black without being about "the struggle," and that actually were of quality. In different era, but Will Smith, Chris Tucker, Jamie Foxx were some of the biggestYou had female led movies like Alien, Bring it On, Charlie's Angels, T2 (while had many characters Sarah Connor is the 2nd biggest action hero in the movie),a large amount of horror movies, Fargo, Angelina Jolie flicks, etc. You had Jackie Chan, Jet Li. I mean I'm not saying back in the day was this utopia of diversity. Casts were mostly still all white, usually male. Far East Asian actors were largely regulate to martial arts movies, Middle Eastern actors were not largely used, and then women of color...but honestly it felt just as diverse at it is now or at least close to it, just without the pandering.
People are easily fooled because of Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (which are just another movie series of white women/white looking women save the day that we've gotten for a while now) and Black Panther that things are more diverse. It's like when people think/thought that racism would be better because Obama was elected. And there have been slight gains, just not as much as people and marketing have you think. And the funny thing is who do you think makes the most money from a lot of these diversity plays? Who owns most of the power in the studio system? It isn't minorities and it isn't women most of the time. So I don't get how things are that much better when we still don't hold that much power compared to our counterparts

I want diversity and you don't have to pander to get yourself out of a corner. But diversity isn't wheeling out your black, gay, trans, or woman friend and point to everyone that you have such a friend. That's not diversity, that's pandering and using minorities, LGBTQ community, etc. as props to make yourself look good.

What studios and a lot of film sites/channels are doing now is the equivalent of
a) a white person going to an African or Asian country, surrounding themselves with the native kids to use them as props so you can post the pic on Instagram
b) When colleges put all the students of color on their marketing to trick people into thinking they're diverse.

Bringing my mini-rant back to Terminator, Terminator has had a strong female presence for a decent amount of their movies. T2, T3, TG regardless of what you think of quality of them had strong women characters. None of those filmmakers had to come out and address the minority of trolls (which is another problem, stop giving them attention) and using diversity to sell a movie.

 

[terry78]

You can't be subtle about that **** in the entertainment industry. For a lot of people you gotta wear it on your sleeve or they don't think you do anything at all.

 

[MadVillainy]

Ok terry

 

[StarLord]

I don't see how people are portraying Tim Miller as the bad guy here. He was asked questions regarding some reactions to the first pictures released, that's all, and he's a brutally honest guy. Good for him.

IMO, this is just another case of social media being triggered about something for a day or two until the next headline rustles their jimmies.

 

[Zorro]

I agree

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't see how people are portraying Tim Miller as the bad guy here. He was asked questions regarding some reactions to the first pictures released, that's all, and he's a brutally honest guy. Good for him.

IMO, this is just another case of social media being triggered about something for a day or two until the next headline rustles their jimmies.

Because why even address them. You know you gives these trolls and jerks more power the more you mention them.

"It'll piss off closeted misogynists" is just silly. And then it's even more stupid to say "If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters." Again it comes across as trying to use social issues to drum up interest for a movie. If you don't like her, you're a misogynist basically. Which again, is just silly

 

[Zorro]

It was a mistake to address the trolls but there shouldn't even be a controversy if people actually look back at the whole franchise

 

[MadVillainy]

It was a mistake to address the trolls but there shouldn't even be a controversy if people actually look back at the whole franchise

I think everyone is in agreement there.

But again, don't bring them up. Don't give them light. Let them be miserable in their holes.

 

[jmc]

Because why even address them. You know you gives these trolls and jerks more power the more you mention them.

"It'll piss off closeted misogynists" is just silly. And then it's even more stupid to say "If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters." Again it comes across as trying to use social issues to drum up interest for a movie. If you don't like her, you're a misogynist basically. Which again, is just silly

What's been dumfounding me is the number of people who have forgotten one of the internets most useful and intelligent rules - Don't Feed The Trolls. Not only are people actively feeding them, they genuinely think they are doing something good by trying to piss them off. Meanwhile, said trolls are laughing and are playing them for fools because they know exactly how to trigger the Blue Checkmarks. It's like a generation of people can't help themselves. They have to 'fight back' against a mostly tiny and unknown group of people, all in the name of making themselves feel as if they've actually done something.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't even care the character is a woman. Clearly some people do. I just think the movie looks awful and the story leaks I've read...all I can say, I hope they are fake. If they are real, this could be worse than Genisys.

 

[Teelie]

I saw the trailer with Far From Home last week and I liked it. It might still end up being hot garbage but nothing in the trailer really made me feel like it was Genisys 2.0 either. I'll see it in the theater when it comes out.

 

[MadVillainy]

I saw the trailer with Far From Home last week and I liked it. It might still end up being hot garbage but nothing in the trailer really made me feel like it was Genisys 2.0 either. I'll see it in the theater when it comes out.

In this day when so many blockbusters seem like they're trying to ape the MCU, this does look a bit refreshing.
But I think the main problems are
1) The CGI looks really bad. Now you can have a good-great movie with bad CG (Black Panther), but it doesn't instill a lot of confidence. I know they could fix some of it before release, but it was laughably bad in almost every scene.
2) It just seems so derivative. LIke it's taking elements from all the previous Terminator movies and just doing them again. They're still forcing in old lines. The only hook seems to be "Linda Hamilton is back!" Honestly I just think, regardless of quality, the Terminator franchise has run its course. The best idea was Terminator Salvation and setting a series of movies during the future war. It's different it's kinda fresh for this franchise.. But we all know how that went. I mean how many times can it be "There's a new Terminator trying to kill someone in the past, we have to stop him and basically it's a chase movie"

I mean it could be good. From the people I know, I do like the cast. I don't think it looks like the worst thing ever or even horrible. At least it kinda feels on brand for the Terminator series unlike TG. But I still don't think this looks good