Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[P Supreme]

I'm kinda glad he dried up and blew away. Aside from Avatar, he's awful.

even though it wasn't his fault I would never forgive him for the titan movies been waiting for that remake for like forever and when it came I cried

 

[OutOfBoose]

Arnold will have a few funny lines. This made me think that the new Terminator is a Mexican guy. And the most memorable phrase of T2 is "hasta la vista, baby", which is partly in Spanish... I wonder if there will be some play on that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Another problem with the teaser: 2 minutes of footage where heroes kick a terminator's ass... Grace is more fearsome than the threat. Who's idea was that???

Which just means more Terminators. You would hope.

 

[DarkKnight88]

• Judgement Day is inevitable. In T2, they kicked the can down the road.

Wasn’t that T3’s stance?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wasn’t that T3’s stance?

As I said. This entire movie looks like a re-purposing of the sequels we have already seen.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Wasn’t that T3’s stance?

It's the stance of all T films. If JD doesn't happen, nobody is sent back, Connor can't be born, Universe explodes inward.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's the stance of all T films. If JD doesn't happen, nobody is sent back, Connor can't be born, Universe explodes inward.

Well if JD gets pushed back to 2100, there will be no John Connor. Now is the idea here that John was never born because of this stuff, or he died somehow between T2 and this?

 

[-JKR-]

As I said. This entire movie looks like a re-purposing of the sequels we have already seen.

Not quite. That element was the punchline in "Terminator 3." Here, it's the set-up.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Well if JD gets pushed back to 2100, there will be no John Connor. Now is the idea here that John was never born because of this stuff, or he died somehow between T2 and this?

People keep saying he's died between the two (T2 and this).

 

[Travesty]

I don't get it? What's the point of this movie, now? It looks exactly like the sequels we've already seen.

Also, the CGI looks bad.

 

[-JKR-]

Well if JD gets pushed back to 2100, there will be no John Connor. Now is the idea here that John was never born because of this stuff, or he died somehow between T2 and this?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I may be terribly wrong, but I'm not much of a time-travel theorist. I take it for what it is, science fiction.

Anyway, wouldn't Kyle Reese from the 1997 Judgment Day timeline STILL have popped up in 1984 and humped Sarah Connor and her flamboyant hairdo? The fact that Sarah managed to kick down the can further, altering her current timeline, shouldn't change the fact that she still met 'alternate timeline Kyle' in 1984. Right?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well if JD gets pushed back to 2100, there will be no John Connor. Now is the idea here that John was never born because of this stuff, or he died somehow between T2 and this?

I have no idea how they're gonna un**** the timeline...

One of the reasons I like T2 less than T1 is the subplot where they try to prevent JD from happening (destroying the T-800 parts and Cyberdyne). When their only goal should be preserving John Connor's little butt.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not quite. That element was the punchline in "Terminator 3." Here, it's the set-up.

That is why I said re-purpose.

 

[Ninjablade]

Finally watched the trailer. Yeah, it's what I feared, doesn't look very good and seems to be a rehash of the things we've seen before. Shame, as the first two are some of my favorites.

And yeah they really seem hellbent on convoluting the timeline a lot more than they needed too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I may be terribly wrong, but I'm not much of a time-travel theorist. I take it for what it is, science fiction.

Anyway, wouldn't Kyle Reese from the 1997 Judgment Day timeline STILL have popped up in 1984 and humped Sarah Connor and her flamboyant hairdo? The fact that Sarah managed to kick down the can further, altering her current timeline, shouldn't change the fact that she still met 'alternate timeline Kyle' in 1984. Right?

If we are to take time travel seriously for a moment, Reese always has to appear, so he and Sarah can create John. Thus Judgment Day has to happen for John to be born. Beyond that, Judgment Day needs to play out the same way every time, or you can get the butterfly effect.

See the alternative reality idea or splintering timelines doesn't work because John Connor's father is always a time traveler.

 

[-JKR-]

I have no idea how they're gonna un**** the timeline...

One of the reasons I like T2 less than T1 is the subplot where they try to prevent JD from happening (destroying the T-800 parts and Cyberdyne). When their only goal should be preserving John Connor's little butt.

Uhm, why SHOULDN'T they have tried to prevent Judgement Day?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have no idea how they're gonna un**** the timeline...

One of the reasons I like T2 less than T1 is the subplot where they try to prevent JD from happening (destroying the T-800 parts and Cyberdyne). When their only goal should be preserving John Connor's little butt.

The idea for T3 is so easy, it bothers me how much they mess with it. And I know why. They want to make this an ongoing franchise. An ongoing franchise in the here and now, not the future.

Goddamnit, this all does read like a Goyer idea. ****!

 

[-JKR-]

If we are to take time travel seriously for a moment, Reese always has to appear, so he and Sarah can create John. Thus Judgment Day has to happen for John to be born. Beyond that, Judgment Day needs to play out the same way every time, or you can get the butterfly effect.

See the alternative reality idea or splintering timelines doesn't work because John Connor's father is always a time traveler.

Uhm, yeah, but he would still be a time-traveler, even if he came from the 1997JD timeline, and not this one. He would still pop up in 1984 and come from the future. Just not the one we're going to see in this movie.

 

[henzINNIT]

I'm hoping for something interesting and creative with regards to time-travel in this. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually liked this trailer, Davis ans Hamilton being the highlights.

But, I DO get people’s complaints about it bringing nothing new to table.

 

[-JKR-]

I'm hoping for something interesting and creative with regards to time-travel in this. I'm not holding my breath though.

I don't think this should turn into a "Back to the Future Part 2" or "Avengers: Endgame" type of story. It's always been more about trying to do the best in the here and now, but we'll see what they've cooked up in October. I actually like being in the dark as far as the story details go.

In fact, I kind of don't wanna watch future trailers.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Uhm, why SHOULDN'T they have tried to prevent Judgement Day?

If JD doesn't happen (war, John Connor leads the resistance and defeats Skynet), Skynet doesn't send a terminator to kill Sarah. In turn John doesn't send Reese. Reese and Sarah don't conceive John, John can't lead the resistance to defeat Skynet. If Skynet isn't in desperation mode, it won't send a terminator to kill John and so on... It's a time paradox from the first film.

So if it's a straight timeline and not some BS multiverse, by preventing JD they kill John Connor. But the problem is, since it's a time loop, events with the terminator already happened. So they can't prevent JD from happening. It's messed up.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Not a great teaser, but I'm still willing to give it a chance. Linda Hamilton looks pretty badass here as well as Mackenzie Davis, but I just don't know about the rest. It doesn't look all that different from Genisys though which is disappointing considering this is suppose to be a hard R film. At this point I honestly wish these movies would just go back to their gritty roots like the first film instead of this over the top, pop corn spectacle we have been getting with the last couple of films. Judgement Day had the best balance IMO, and they haven't been able to recapture it since.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Uhm, yeah, but he would still be a time-traveler, even if he came from the 1997JD timeline, and not this one. He would still pop up in 1984 and come from the future. Just not the one we're going to see in this movie.

If you follow the idea of the bootstrap paradox, which the first Terminator is built on, that doesn't work. Because the timeline is set. What happens, happens. Changing something, can change everything. That is where you get into the butterfly effect idea.

John isn't just born because his father is a time traveler. His father has to survive Judgment Day, meet John, fight for him, and survive the war until the moment he is sent back in time with that photo.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Look, say what you will about Salvation, but it gave us the Christian Bale rant, and no one will ever be able to take that away from it.