Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[samsnee]

I meant it’s the only way to bring him back and explain why he looks old.

 

[TheVileOne]

I meant it’s the only way to bring him back and explain why he looks old.

Not really.

 

[Aximili86]

I mean James Cameron even basically borrowed the Gensisys idea of using Arnold again and having him look old because of the human tissue on the Terminator that still ages.

I think from memory the Genisys team said that notion came from their discussions with Jim in the first place, to be fair. Sounds like it's something he pitched to them in the scripting stage, little as he was involved in the rest of it. He's not really lifting it from Genisys, it's just a shame that they got to do their ****ty take on it first.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think from memory the Genisys team said that notion came from their discussions with Jim in the first place, to be fair. Sounds like it's something he pitched to them in the scripting stage, little as he was involved in the rest of it. He's not really lifting it from Genisys, it's just a shame that they got to do their ****ty take on it first.

Never heard that anywhere.

 

[elgaz]

I'm sure many will disagree, but one of the contributing factors to the failure of previous movies has actually been Arnold IMO. Not in terms of his performance - as he's only doing what he's always done. More his presence - they've tried to shoehorn him into the films despite his increasing age, and this inevitably has a substantial impact on the storyline and where it goes.

I get that he was iconic in the original T1 and T2 roles, but it's now been 35 years since the original film and at some point if they want this universe to continue, they're going to have to accept that they can't keep trying to mould a storyline around a 60yr/70yr/80yr old Terminator and actually move the franchise in a new direction.

 

[Zantera]

I love Arnold and would say he was a childhood hero of mine and still someone I look up to and admire, but you do have a point. I feel in T3 and Genisys he was the highlight but also because of his inclusion feeling shoehorned the story suffered.

I thought the idea in T3 was interesting. Arnold returning but his memory was gone and he wasn't the same terminator from T2 that learned to be human. I think the problem was with the execution and the change of actor playing John Connor. I mean I guess Furlong was already washed up or on drugs back then but if you had him play John Connor again you could have gotten some interesting emotional scenes with them. But because we had a new John Connor you never really got that chemistry. I mean I know they bring it up in the dialogue and John tries to get the terminator to remember T2 things but it's not very interesting or important for the story.

It was interesting going into Genisys with the "old Arnold vs young Arnold" but that ended up being so small and so insignificant that it was basically over before it started. The idea of an aging terminator is also really interesting to me, because you look at Arnold in T1 and T2 and Robert Patrick in T2 and they are in their prime physically and I like the idea that what if you have this old man who looks weak but is actually a terminator, still as strong as ever only with an aged exterior? That could be a cool idea to do something with, but again with Genisys they didn't really do anything interesting with it either.

 

[Alien Anal]

I love Arnold and would say he was a childhood hero of mine and still someone I look up to and admire, but you do have a point. I feel in T3 and Genisys he was the highlight but also because of his inclusion feeling shoehorned the story suffered.

I thought the idea in T3 was interesting. Arnold returning but his memory was gone and he wasn't the same terminator from T2 that learned to be human. I think the problem was with the execution and the change of actor playing John Connor.

I don't think this was the case. It was just a completely different T800 just like the one in T2 is different to the one in T1.

 

[elgaz]

It was interesting going into Genisys with the "old Arnold vs young Arnold" but that ended up being so small and so insignificant that it was basically over before it started. The idea of an aging terminator is also really interesting to me, because you look at Arnold in T1 and T2 and Robert Patrick in T2 and they are in their prime physically and I like the idea that what if you have this old man who looks weak but is actually a terminator, still as strong as ever only with an aged exterior? That could be a cool idea to do something with, but again with Genisys they didn't really do anything interesting with it either.

I think they also missed a big beat when they skipped the entire period between Sarah/Kyle ltime travelling from 1984 to 2017. That was a 33yr period where Arnold's T800 "Pops" was existing completely on its own - not shut down in a low power mode in a cellar somewhere, but being active on Earth - stockpiling weapons and actually working in construction. As character development goes I'd love to have seen some scenes chronicling that and the people he likely encountered over 33 years.

 

[Zantera]

I think they also missed a big beat when they skipped the entire period between Sarah/Kyle ltime travelling from 1984 to 2017. That was a 33yr period where Arnold's T800 "Pops" was existing completely on its own - not shut down in a low power mode in a cellar somewhere, but being active on Earth - stockpiling weapons and actually working in construction. As character development goes I'd love to have seen some scenes chronicling that and the people he likely encountered over 33 years.

Yeah that was a funny thing with Genisys is that a movie about a terminator blending in among humans and living among them for ~30 years would have made for a much interesting movie than what we got. But hey, this day you can't make a Terminator movie without a nonsensical plot and big explosions.

I don't think this was the case. It was just a completely different T800 just like the one in T2 is different to the one in T1.

You might be right, it's been a while since I saw T3 the last time. I thought there was something about when they destroyed the terminator at the end of T2 the memory chip was erased but you might be right that i was a new terminator all together. Still, could have been an interesting idea to explore but they didn't go with it.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's a completely new Terminator. Just the same model.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I'm sure many will disagree, but one of the contributing factors to the failure of previous movies has actually been Arnold IMO. Not in terms of his performance - as he's only doing what he's always done. More his presence - they've tried to shoehorn him into the films despite his increasing age, and this inevitably has a substantial impact on the storyline and where it goes.

I get that he was iconic in the original T1 and T2 roles, but it's now been 35 years since the original film and at some point if they want this universe to continue, they're going to have to accept that they can't keep trying to mould a storyline around a 60yr/70yr/80yr old Terminator and actually move the franchise in a new direction.

I couldn't agree with you more. Arnold was great in his prime, and can still do great stuff (Maggie is my favourite Schwarzenegger movie of all). Just not Terminator stuff.

 

[TheFuture]

Having watched T2 for the umpteenth time there last night, and having absorbed the spoilers, it's obvious that the T800 can develop a conscience. Arnie was more or less there in T2 and that's why he was able to ignore John's orders in the steel mill that he stay alive.

The problem Dark Fate faces is who is JC's substitute in teaching this machine what it is to be human? That can't be swept aside. It's a mcguffin that I'm sure they'll offer up but whether it rings true I doubt.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I always wondered why we never got to see this movie 2h version from Hollywood. I dont get why always bother with Sarah, t-800, time travel, preventing Skynet in past instead future etc.

 

[Alien Anal]

I always wondered why we never got to see this movie 2h version from Hollywood. I dont get why always bother with Sarah, t-800, time travel, preventing Skynet in past instead future etc.

Sorry for the size of the image. This is what I have come up with for a future war film that follows on from T1-T2

 

[Gold Samurai]

It's a completely new Terminator. Just the same model.

Yup. Same model but this one had psychology lessons programmed into him lol

 

[StarLord]

Some NECA 7 inch figures on the way.

 

[StarLord]

 

[TheVileOne]

Oh, don’t act like you don’t know that in the majority of big budget movies since Hollywood’s inception, heroic savior characters tends to be white dudes. Like Skywalkwer is a white savior too. I’m not calling these movies racist, all I’m saying is that it’s a typical trope in film that many studios trying to avoid now by diversifying their casts. Regardless of that though, given how the first two films were built around this idea that John would be that savior, undoing that key plot element could kinda ruin this movie for some.

 

[Hunter Rider]

True. I just hope Junkie XL falls in line with Brad Fiedal on what made viewers love the terminator score's so much.If i hear generic beats and stock music (Soundtrack leaks) that will pretty much kill off any hype ive had for this film.

The soundtrack on this is orgasmic. Mostly takes cue's from the 1st Terminator film but goddamn just even a snippet of a score like this would make my day. Probably too much of a ask as you don't really hear cold scores that often in Hollywood these days as they rotate the same composers more often than not. The soundtrack needs atmosphere, its as simple as that.

Is there any more of this animated movie?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Sadly, no. But my goodness... People who made that animation short understand the spirit of the first two films and delivered the right tension and atmosphere (even with Batman!) unlike all those plonkers that were making Terminator stuff post-Cameron.

 

[MadVillainy]

Having watched T2 for the umpteenth time there last night, and having absorbed the spoilers, it's obvious that the T800 can develop a conscience. Arnie was more or less there in T2 and that's why he was able to ignore John's orders in the steel mill that he stay alive.

The problem Dark Fate faces is who is JC's substitute in teaching this machine what it is to be human? That can't be swept aside. It's a mcguffin that I'm sure they'll offer up but whether it rings true I doubt.

Say there, friendo. Where did you see them there spoilers?

 

[Nardz937]

I read about the supposed leaked opening on Reddit.

 

[Zorro]

..got a link?

 

[Kane52630]

‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Director: Why Mackenzie Davis Will ‘Scare the F— Out of’ Misogynists

An early “Dark Fate” poster received backlash, calling Davis and her co-stars “feminazis” and other chauvinist hate speech. How do you think she’ll be received in the room at Comic-Con?

If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f–k out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine. We did not trade certain gender traits for others; she’s just very strong, and that frightens some dudes. You can see online the responses to some of the early s–t that’s out there, trolls on the internet. I don’t give a f–k.

How will you win over Hall H with this new take on “Terminator”?

If I was a nerd, and I am, I always imagine reading about plot or story and how I would feel as a fan. I can be objective that way, like I did with “Deadpool.” When I read online when we announced the film, “‘Terminator 6’? For f–k’s sake, why don’t they let it die?” I understand where those people are coming from. If it’s not great, then we’ve had enough.

After “Deadpool” there were a lot of projects I could’ve chosen, but I really wanted to see Linda Hamilton come back to personally finish her story as Sarah Connor. Like James Cameron, I always find stories about women are much more interesting than men picking up guns. Jim’s movies are grounded in reality and character and just happen to have time travel and robots. I’m wired the same way. I want to give the audience a story about Sarah and these new characters and make everything else as realistic as possible. I want to sit in the audience and believe that this s–t could happen to me. That’s how I’m approaching it.

Mackenzie Davis and her character Grace feel like something very new for a franchise like this. What brought her here?

Before we brought in screenwriters, we did a room with novelists at my request because they’re world builders and we’re reinventing the franchise. One was Joe Abercrombie [the “First Law” series], who pointed out that the “Terminator” films tend to have a trinity of main characters. One of those is the protector, the Kyle Reese character [portrayed by Michael Biehn in the original, Jai Courtney and Anton Yelchin in sequels].

Joe came out with this idea that a new protector from the future is a machine fighter. It’s a painful life, and they’re scarred and take a lot of drugs to combat the pain of what’s been done to them. They don’t live a long time. It’s a very sacrificial role; they risk death to save others. And from the very first suggestion it was always a woman. We had to look for someone who has the physicality, but I’m very sensitive to actors. I didn’t just want a woman who could physically fit the role but emotionally as well. Mackenzie really wanted to do it; she came after the role. She worked harder than anybody.

 

[Schlosser85]

"I'm sick of all this forced feminism!" - cries a Terminator "fan" who doesn't realize Linda Hamilton was the hero.