Terminator: Genisys - Part 6

[Rowsdower!]

I still maintain that we're going to find out that RoboJohn is John's actual father in this film.

 

[Terminator]

Sorry but using McG to support your argument isnt the best idea, and in these movies Kyle was and will always be the father of JC. I think that's why I preferred T3 over TS, it didn't mess with the mythology and was just a simple action movie for people to enjoy. TS got so much of the mythology wrong it was silly. There have been alternate timelines, but non of that stopped judgement day happening so I don't see why it would alter who JC's father was.

T3 certainly messes with mythology.

T3 told us John was 13 in T2 which is impossible because he was born in 1985 and 1997 was "a few years from now" in T2.

CyberDyne Systems Model 101 became CRS T-101, which doesn't fit with T1/T2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

T3 certainly messes with mythology.

T3 told us John was 13 in T2 which is impossible because he was born in 1985 and 1997 was "a few years from now" in T2.

CyberDyne Systems Model 101 became CRS T-101, which doesn't fit with T1/T2.

Oh yeah the age thing I will give you,but the 2nd thing was simply as a result of the delay with JD.

 

[dark_b]

I still maintain that we're going to find out that RoboJohn is John's actual father in this film.

how?

 

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...ages-from-resetting-the-future-book#/slide/10

 

[Lord]

Sorry but using McG to support your argument isnt the best idea, and in these movies Kyle was and will always be the father of JC. I think that's why I preferred T3 over TS, it didn't mess with the mythology and was just a simple action movie for people to enjoy. TS got so much of the mythology wrong it was silly. There have been alternate timelines, but non of that stopped judgement day happening so I don't see why it would alter who JC's father was.

But it doesn't make sence that time traveling changes some stuff, while other stuff was predestined, those are two completely different ideas for how timetraveling works and they don't work together.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But it doesn't make sence that time traveling changes some stuff, while other stuff was predestined, those are two completely different ideas for how timetraveling works and they don't work together.

Can't we just say it's a paradox and move on? Until time travel is actually done in The real world we will never be able to argue its merits properly.

 

[MrMaooz]

Why do I get the feeling that this won't be the POS many expect it to be?

 

[Lord]

Can't we just say it's a paradox and move on? Until time travel is actually done in The real world we will never be able to argue its merits properly.

I'm arguing about it using the rules we were given, Terminator 1 and Interstelar suggest loops and that there is only a single timeline, however, T-2 suggested the past could be changed, which means timetraveling creates separate timelines, while T-3 went full ahead with it and showed that timetraveling had indeed changed stuff and created a new timeline, a timeline which Salvation had to follow.

 

[Marvolo]

Some posters here are looking really stupid right about now.

Not really. The complaint about the bus is that the reason for it flipping that are shown in the film wouldnt flip a bus like that. If he had wanted to just flip it over on its top like Nolan did the big rig in TDK I could let it slide but Taylor went way over the top and made the bus flip through the air like a 50 foot yellow hotdog that is made of staypuft marshmellows.

And Arnie being the one who walked through the glass doesnt change anything. There is clear evidence of digital manipulation around the face that was done in post. So the shot looks bad no matter who walked through the glass.

 

[DarthMuppet]

I'm arguing about it using the rules we were given, Terminator 1 and Interstelar suggest loops and that there is only a single timeline, however, T-2 suggested the past could be changed, which means timetraveling creates separate timelines, while T-3 went full ahead with it and showed that timetraveling had indeed changed stuff and created a new timeline, a timeline which Salvation had to follow.

First off, you're thinking about this waaaaaaay too hard. It's just a movie, man. Things aren't always going to make perfect sense and have zero inconsistencies. Also, just ignore anything put forward in TS... life is simpler that way. Just accept that John Connor was always the son of Kyle Reese and that his entire existence is(and always was) the result of a predestination paradox and go with it. Endlessly questioning the internal logic of time travel movies and trying to make perfect sense out of them is a surefire way to drive yourself insane.

Second, as for the rules of time travel, this is completely unrelated, but think about what it suggests about the nature of time:

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[Lord]

Salvation, which was still a film in the franchise still takes into account that Kyle was at one point not John Connor's father, while i would prefer the pre-destination paradox to be canon, the films as a whole so far seem to point otherwise.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Salvation, which was still a film in the franchise still takes into account that Kyle was at one point not John Connor's father, while i would prefer the pre-destination paradox to be canon, the films as a whole so far seem to point otherwise.

Uh, no.

This quote:

"Kill Kyle Reese, reset the future, no John Connor."

 

[DarthMuppet]

Salvation, which was still a film in the franchise still takes into account that Kyle was at one point not John Connor's father, while i would prefer the pre-destination paradox to be canon, the films as a whole so far seem to point otherwise.

Salvation never says Kyle wasn't always Connor's father. Where are you getting that from? Also, it's been heavily hinted at that TS will no longer be canon.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When you base the story around time travel, you sort of need to be consistent. Why else tell a time travel story?

 

[Schlosser85]

It's never suggested in any of the films that Kyle Reese was not John's father.

 

[Lord]

I believe there was an interview where McG said this was not the same John Connor, though i haven't been able to find it.

Anyway, i know time travel stories usualy have problems, but i think all they need is to be true to themselves, and to be honest, i just don't think the predestination paradox works if it's extablished that time traveling does alter the future.

The whole mess of timelines is detailed in here

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

 

[Man in the Suit]

Why do I get the feeling that this won't be the POS many expect it to be?

It will be if it's anything like the leaked script. Which it probably will be because the trailers look just like it.

Embargo lifts tomorrow at 8am PST. Don't be surprised if the guys from Slashfilm and Collider give "It was kinda fun!" reactions because Paramount/Skydance flew them out to the premiere and had those guys thank them for a great trip in their tweets.

 

[Jay Beezy]

It will be if it's anything like the leaked script. Which it probably will be because the trailers look just like it.

Embargo lifts tomorrow at 8am PST. Don't be surprised if the guys from Slashfilm and Collider give "It was kinda fun!" reactions because Paramount/Skydance flew them out to the premiere and had those guys thank them for a great trip in their tweets.

Could there still be an embargo for US reviews until next week? I'm not reading where the June 24 embargo is coming from.

I also read Devin Faraci got declined from coming out after talking negatively about the movie.

I also believe Slashfilm and Collider conducted a set visit during filming. At least Slashfilm did.

 

[Mr.T]

Not 100% sure about this because I never watched the Sarah Connor show, but I read that the TV series specified time travel seen in Terminator is occurring from different universes/alternate timelines & different versions of Skynet. The terminator sent back in T1 was from a different universe and different Skynet, whereas the T1000 came from another universe & Skynet, T3 so on & so forth. Also, these differing versions of Skynet somehow can communicate or have someway of knowing the events in each other's universe and use time travel to manipulate those timelines. I guess this is the way writers have decided get out of these predestination paradoxes with the multiuniverse/multiple timeline jumps.

If this is the case, does Skynet only intend to make small manipulations to the timeline, thus why we only see 1 Terminator sent back at a time? Does Skynet never really intend to kill off John Connor pre-resistance as he's the reason they've been created in the 1st place? They have to know they've failed multiple times to kill him before judgement day......

 

[CGHulk]

What if we find out that Terminator John is not the real John. That its a Terminator that is programmed to look and think it's John so it could easily get close to Reese and Sarah to kill them.

 

[Marvolo]

What if we find out that Terminator John is not the real John. That its a Terminator that is programmed to look and think it's John so it could easily get close to Reese and Sarah to kill them.

I suggested the same thing the other day, and I think it's very much a possibility. With the exception of maybe it's brain, the T-3000 is clearly made entirely of nanobots. So if that is the real John then only his brain remains. So I think it's far more likely that the T-3000 only has his memories or his brain.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Salvation, which was still a film in the franchise still takes into account that Kyle was at one point not John Connor's father, while i would prefer the pre-destination paradox to be canon, the films as a whole so far seem to point otherwise.

As someone else pointed out, the whole movie both the machines and John Connor are trying to get to Kyle Reece to either kill him or save. John openly calls Kyle his father to Marcus.

 

[titansupes]

Yeah, Kyle Reese is John Connor's father in every movie/continuity/universe. Including the future Michael Beihn comes from in the first movie. It's pretty clear.

 

[Lord]

A predestination paradox simply doesn't work if it's extablished the future can alter the past, it's as simple as that.