This is exactly how it works. The machines doom themselves. John can't exist if they don't create the time machine. They don't create the time machine if John doesn't exist.
But the only one who knows this is John. That is the point. John is the only one who lives the whole timeline. The one who knows everything. It is why he knows when to send his father and the Terminator back. It is why who John's father is, is kept a secret.
Is Macbeth ruined because the witches predictions come true? Of course not.
Except it is not unknown as established by the first two films. Sarah thinks it is unknown. She is wrong. She is wrong a lot.
I didn't say Kyle conception, but his existence. He goes back, he is there, it happened. He can only do that if there is a war in the future and a time machine to send him back. The time machine is built by the machines.
So we ignore everything the films tell us because of an opened ended speech at the end?
Do you remember when Sarah is about to kill Dyson? She doesn't. Why? She is a human, a mother. She cares. The second half of T2 reestablished her relationship with John. They also stopped the T-1000 and thus kept John alive. The final 20 mins of T2 is about keeping John alive. They move on from blowing up Cyberdyne, to protecting John.
I never said Judgment Day being inevitable is what T2 is about. Judgment Day is inevitable, that is the arc of the series, but that isn't the point of T2. T2 is about the relationship between John and his various parents (Sarah, Bob, fosters), Sarah's paranoia, and how it has effected both her and her son. Have you ever considered why Uncle Bob is sent back specifically to when he is? Or why John didn't just send him with Kyle back to 84? Because he knows what is suppose to happen.After most of the planet had already been nuked in a Nuclear fire. THAT"S ONE HAPPY ENDING!
Look Darth, I'm just not buying your argument. There's nothing you can say to convince me that the entire point of T2 was the Judgment Day was inevitable. A film where they continuously tell us there is NO FATE and spend most of it trying to change to course of history.
What was the point of blowing up Cyberdyne? Or Miles Dyson's heroic sacrifice? Or even Uncle Bob's heroic sacrifice at the end of the film, when he's lowered into the lava, so nobody would ever be able to continue Dyson's work and cause Judgment Day.
All of that is completely UNDERMINED, if you look at the film with the mentality that it was all for nothing because JD is going to happen regardless.
I saw it years ago and I liked it quite a bit.
So lets just ignore that the movie can't function without the loop. That is up to you. Of course, it makes no sense, but fine. But frack narrative and actual sense. Forget that both films firmly establishes things that need the loop to exist. It is why you ignored the rest of the post anyways. There is no answer to why John sent back his father and terminator to two different times otherwise.
So lets just ignore that the movie can't function without the loop. That is up to you. Of course, it makes no sense, but fine. But frack narrative and actual sense. Forget that both films firmly establishes things that need the loop to exist. It is why you ignored the rest of the post anyways. There is no answer to why John sent back his father and terminator to two different times otherwise.
