Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

[jmc]

Do you know how he lost the rights?

You just posted how. Hell, even in that post he wasn't sure. My point stands. If he wanted the rights he would have gone after them.

He cut the ending. It isn't in the film. We can argue why he did it, but even when he re-cut the film, he left it out. The films themselves function as a loop. Otherwise nothing can happen.

Who cares? Seriously, you're so focused on being right in this regard instead of just accepting it's a piece of fiction and people are allowed to interpret it however they choose.

 

[Fallen Angel]

The right's go back to him in 2019. He can do whatever he want's then. Do his T3 or loan the right's back out seeing as he's doing Avatar 2-50. The second option is much more likely.

 

[kedrell]

DAMN! This clown wiped out T2?

And yet I can still go watch T2 any time I feel like. You all are acting like Taylor went into all the video stores and all the streaming databases and erased the movie so you'll never be able to see it again.

It seems related to the same brain dead mind set that sees fans railing against remakes as if it's somehow going to harm the original. What nonsense.

 

[batman1]

His purpose would be different sans Judgement Day and that's the point. I don't care what John Conner is suppose to become as dictated in the original timeline, that's not interesting to me because I already know everything there is to know about him in the first few minutes of T1, what's more interesting is how that war is prevented in the first place and what the aftermath of that is.

I think Judgement day is supposed to happen and John Conners leads humans to victory everytime. And he is destined to be terminated by Arnold. It happens everytime. I am guessing the sequel will be better because they can tie up the loose ends.

 

[MadVillainy]

And yet I can still go watch T2 any time I feel like. You all are acting like Taylor went into all the video stores and all the streaming databases and erased the movie so you'll never be able to see it again.

It seems related to the same brain dead mind set that sees fans railing against remakes as if it's somehow going to harm the original. What nonsense.

I agree. Ive been saying this about remakes for a while.

However, it still is a stupid move to make a movie where they wipe out the events of the most well liked movies

 

[ThePhantasm]

Remember that awesome story? Yeah we're replacing that continuity with our own shoddy s***

 

[batman1]

I agree. Ive been saying this about remakes for a while.

However, it still is a stupid move to make a movie where they wipe out the events of the most well liked movies

Yeah I agree. It's not like the xmen franchise with dofp making everything right. I liked they movie but now that you said that the future is forever screwed as far as enjoyment. I watch terminator last night on netflix and had a ball!

 

[StarLord]

Remember that awesome story? Yeah we're replacing that continuity with our own shoddy s***

Exactly. ''Lets s*** all over what's come before and try and make up our own new timeline that makes no sense!''.

If you're going to do a reboot or whatever, at least try and have some respect for what came before you. Especially if it's a million times better than what you're trying to flog at us.

 

[The Slang]

Just saw Genisys. It was laughably bad. As bad as T3 for me, maybe worse.

About the whole averting judgment day thing. Terminator 1 establishes with the conception of John Connor that time travel functions by 'single time line' rules, where any attempt to change the past will create a loop leading up the moment where you attempt to change it.
Yet if we're to believe that Judgment day was averted in T2, this would require 'multiple time line' rules in which attempting to change the past has no effect on your own timeline, but creates an alternative timeline where the change takes effect. We never actually saw Judgment day become averted which would serve as confirmation for 'multiple time line' rules, so the only possibilities are that time travel functions solely on 'single timeline' rules, or that it somehow functions by both sets of rules at different times for an unexplained reason.

Genisys makes no attempt to adhere to or understand either set of time travel rules, while poking fun at the fact that it doesn't. It's like some teenager's fan fiction, but in reality it was made by a grown man who was never a fan at all.

 

[SpitCurl]

Just saw Genisys. It was laughably bad. As bad as T3 for me, maybe worse.

About the whole averting judgment day thing. Terminator 1 establishes with the conception of John Connor that time travel functions by 'single time line' rules, where any attempt to change the past will create a loop leading up the moment where you attempt to change it.
Yet if we're to believe that Judgment day was averted in T2, this would require 'multiple time line' rules in which attempting to change the past has no effect on your own timeline, but creates an alternative timeline where the change takes effect. We never actually saw Judgment day become averted which would serve as confirmation for 'multiple time line' rules, so the only possibilities are that time travel functions solely on 'single timeline' rules, or that it somehow functions by both sets of rules at different times for an unexplained reason.

Genisys makes no attempt to adhere to or understand either set of time travel rules, while poking fun at the fact that it doesn't. It's like some teenager's fan fiction, but in reality it was made by a grown man who was never a fan at all.

Ouch. How were the performances? I've kinda guessed (pre-judged, to be honest) that Sarah and Kyle wouldn't be so hot. How'd you feel about their roles? (I'll check this out on Netflix/Hula/HBO Now at some point to make up my own mind but for now I'm just curious what the consensus is.)

 

[spider-neil]

Movie was an absolute pile of ****.
If you are an amazing movie like X-men First Class you can rewrite history of poor movies.
If you are a piece of convoluted **** and you attempt to rewrite the history of far superior movie I am just going to ignore you exist.

Hopefully when Cameron gets the rights back he just puts them in his desk draw.
I hope this movie absolutely bombs so we see no more rubbish Terminator movies.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Thought the flick was pretty bad.

I dug the first 20 minutes, but once Reese arrives in the past it becomes a mess.

Things happen without any explanation. I've read articles that suggest we will find out answers in the sequels, but really it came down to poor writing. We shouldn't have to wait for a sequel just to find out who

Spoiler

sent Pops back in time

or some press junket to explain

Spoiler

Where Adam came from.

All of this should have been answered in this film.

The flick was also filled with awful jokes - one in particular was really jarring

Spoiler

Cops line-up scene.

This is what happens when you don't keep things simple like in T2, when you give the Terminator these small human qualities with John to make its death have an impact when lowering itself into lava.

 

[spider-neil]

Good rule of screen writing; Simple story, complex characters.

Terminator 5 is the exact opposite.

 

[BigA]

Thought the flick was pretty bad.

Things happen without any explanation. I've read articles that suggest we will find out answers in the sequels, but really it came down to poor writing. We shouldn't have to wait for a sequel just to find out who

Spoiler

sent Pops back in time

or some press junket to explain

Spoiler

Where Adam came from.

I'm in the minority, but I didn't mind this.

 

[Mysteryman]

I'm in the minority, but I didn't mind this.

I am also in that minority.
I didn't mind it either.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Cops hasn't been relevant since the 90s, would have made a little sense if they were in the 90s in the timeline.

But then it's just as careless as everything else in the movie, like making Reese a walking sarcastic *****e when he's a man out of time literally and figuratively, lacking a sense of urgency who doesn't have time for anything but the mission. I don't know how you miss the core of what makes these characters go, but this movie did it.

 

[Serpico Jones]

They left those questions open for a sequel.

 

[Golgo-13]

Movie was an absolute pile of ****.
If you are an amazing movie like X-men First Class you can rewrite history of poor movies.
If you are a piece of convoluted **** and you attempt to rewrite the history of far superior movie I am just going to ignore you exist.

Hopefully when Cameron gets the rights back he just puts them in his desk draw.
I hope this movie absolutely bombs so we see no more rubbish Terminator movies.

The thing is, they re-wrote the entire franchise, when all they had to do was change the timeline so that T3 and Salvation never occurred. This movie completely erases everyting that occurred after Reese and the T800 arrive in T1. For a matter of fact, those two elements are the only two aspects left from the first movie, as Sarah isn't even a waitress.

Another thing, how did John know about what battles would be won, etc? I understand how he knew about the time machine date (1984), etc but i still don't know how he knew about it's location, since he was getting his info from Sarah, and Sarah didn't spend enough time with Reese for him to explain all those details to her.

 

[Jay Beezy]

The thing is, they re-wrote the entire franchise, when all they had to due was change the timeline so that T3 and Salvation never occurred. This movie completely erases everyting that occurred after Reese and the T800 arrive in T1. For a matter of fact, those two elemenst are the only two aspects left from the first movie, as Sarah isn't even a waitress.

Another thing, how did John know about what battles would be won, etc? I understand how he knew about the time machine date (1984), etc but i still dn't know how he knew about it's location , since he was getting his info fromSsarah, and Sarah didn't spend enough time with Reese for him to explain all those details to her.

Yeah, the sensible thing would have been to do a T3 reboot like Superman Returns. Only problem is the aged Arnold.

 

[mikeboydus]

I am surprised people think the other timelines were wiped out. The film established a Many Worlds view of time travel, hence assimilated John's speech and the alternate reality Skynet. All of the timelines still exist, even the TV series, the Dark Horse comics and NOW comics. They were trying to establish a multiverse. Edit to add, almost forgot should of added SM Stirlings Infiltrator novel series as well. The new films were going to delve more in parallel universes,/alternate realities, etc.

 

[CYounkin]

Why people hate this film? Because it reshapes the timeline but there is never any reason for how it got reshaped in the first place. Even the resistance winning the war before Reese gets sent back to kill the T-800 makes no sense because then why would more terminators (T-800, T-1000) be needed to get sent back in T2? None of these makes sense at all.



Craig James
Aspiring comedian, youtube movie critic- hoping to combine the two

 

[Octoberist]

I think it's because it doesn't recapture the Cameron movies at all.

I kinda enjoyed Genysis, but as I walked out of the theater, I almost completely forgot the film.

Also a few things bothered me:

- Again, the same problem with this movie, T3 and TS, are the scores. They keep teasing the Brad Fiedel theme in all of them (T3 and TG only really played the score in the end credits), but never really follow through. Instead they come up with the most generic scores ever.

- The PG-13 rating was showing. The CG make-up on Arnold can never hold a handle to Stan Winston's work.

- I don't understand the [BLACKOUT]T-800's device he used against John Connor. So he just made it out of parts from a street light? [/BLACKOUT]

- Jai Coutney was miscast as Reese, even though he did his best. Clarke doesn't have weight to be Sara Connor though I didn't dislike her in the role.

THE BEST PART ABOUT THE FILM IS JK SIMMONS. He wins!

 

[Octoberist]

From this beauty:

to this:

 

[spider-neil]

A group of middle aged men sat round a table and this is the best idea they could come up with. I bet they could have had a competition for the best Terminator script with the winning script used in the final movie and I would bet money the general audience would have come up with something more coherent and better.

 

[TheVileOne]

Burn.

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